House of the Dragon - Game Over!

[ProfessorDrapion]

Do we have a deal?

No.

Vice-versa, sure--eliminate furtive today and IF he flips town I'll begrudgingly go after Datisi tomorrow. (It's fucking stupid, mind you. But I would.)

But I prefer the option that has a chance of leaving the second half unnecessary.

A Datisi flip is always town and always means we still have to eliminate furtiveglance.
A furtiveglance flip has a high chance of being scum and instantly means we don't need to eliminate Datisi.

I’m down with this.
As long as we eliminate Dat tomorrow on the green flip.

VOTE: Furtive

You keep saying I'm town. You know you don't have to vote for me. If you want to eliminate Datisi, that is now a very real possibility.

Bro with a post like that you’re making me starting to lose faith your town.


Look here’s the plan.
We both think Mastina is town right? I know I do.
I believe Mastina is wrong about the council.
So I made a deal with Mastina that we vote you out and then vote Dat out tomorrow if you flip Green.

It’s legit pro play.

Now if Mastina dies or Mastina doesn’t do what they agreed to do with the deal.
I’m going to be fucking pissed.

[ProfessorDrapion]

If Dat comes in with a red check and that check ends up flipping Green.
We vote Firebringer, not Dat.



Explanation: as I said before Dat is only a wolf with Firebringer.
Why do you think the people kept dying except for when Firebringer received it?
Dat felt safe there.
Dat flipping wolf also makes their clears no longer clears I he knows this and it allows the last 2 wolves to push those clears along with any misguided town that think One of Dat’s clears are a wolf.
All of Dat’s clears are town, it’s a wolf strat.
If Firebringer starts telling you that a clear is a wolf, push him around, call him names and vote his ass.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If Dat comes in with a red check and that check ends up flipping Green.
We vote Firebringer, not Dat.



Explanation: as I said before Dat is only a wolf with Firebringer.
Why do you think the people kept dying except for when Firebringer received it?
Dat felt safe there.
Dat flipping wolf also makes their clears no longer clears I he knows this and it allows the last 2 wolves to push those clears along with any misguided town that think One of Dat’s clears are a wolf.
All of Dat’s clears are town, it’s a wolf strat.
If Firebringer starts telling you that a clear is a wolf, push him around, call him names and vote his ass.

No dude.

We kill Datisi first. PLEASE just... follow the logic, don't be swayed.

[Datisi]

@roden - sorry i was mean last night, i'm feeling pretty frustrated with this game. but i also do think what i said: you have a complete incapability of seeing the game from anyone's perspective that isn't your own. i have called you out so many times this game for it, i have tried to reason with you, i get ignored, i'm done.

but if you want a recap of the takes from you that i consider... plainly untrue:

- claiming that gl was fabricating the gamestate being leaning against him (2836)
- saying he was ate-ing on a post that clearly isn't it (3230), citing colour coding of all things as ate
- the stuff you pointed out as gl "wanting drapion dead" or "shading andres" are taking those posts in the most uncharitable way possible (3310)
- the second part of my 3413 - your actions at that point were not townie. i think if you saw someone else making the arguments you were making, you absolutely would not townread them for it.
- what i said in 3795. you're not my biggest priority to read, you were acting as if i have to use my cop check on you and as if you're the absolute number one priority for me to read for ??? reasons; and what you pointed out as "meta" from me in that pooky normal was very obviously not meta
- like literally the entirety of 3806 is again calling out what i think is utterly faulty thought process from you
- the claim that scum wouldn't be trying to eliminate me because i'm difficult to eliminate (4944) which is ignoring the *actual* reasons that i am being pushed for that have absolutely nothing to do with dayplay
- the idea that i *have* to relook at you just because i thought there is a theoretical chance that fireisredsir is scum is ???

not directly what you were asking for, but:
- bring consistently ignored about that one q in 4236/4291 definitely did not help

i am not avoiding the question. you asked me why you're town. i answered. atp i don't think scum-you would be saying this much... incorrect things this game and be this self-assured. i don't think you are s/s with dannflor. fireisredsir doesn't play a role in that.

Roden, today would be the day to strike back then.

Datisi is the correct play today, what would it take for you to join me on this wagon?

I'm just waiting at this point for anyone who's against a Datisi elim to town case him and explain why him, the green checks, and the Doctor aren't dead.

I also really need someone to explain to me like I'm 5 how/why four scum supported Shea as king but then somehow didn't get onto the council in a town!Datisi world.

Maybe explain what about this is nonsense I guess

well for one, everything about my play has been town and you're incapable of seeing it because you don't like how i was personally treating your slot.

the green checks aren't dead because why would they kill them when they can get me yeeted. i don't know why the doc is dead. if they thought there's a chance the jk is on them, i can see them trying to shoot the jk

i'm not the one making that argument about the shea king supporters. i wasn't even referring to that when i said that you've been saying nonsense this game. you're once again putting words in my mouth and then getting mad at them.

@gl, i'll get back to you in a bit, i'm already missing out on the second half of croatia v morocco

[Enchant]

Eh.

Let's do that: we let Datisi live next night, but without protection. If mafia kills him, cool. If not.

He will state check. Regardless of what this check is, i will challenge Datisi on duel. Two times if necessary. Depends on outcome, we work out situation.


Issue is. I don't want to vote furtive either. I have feeling he thinks like me, therefore town.

[Datisi]

who do you want to kill then

[Enchant]

Firebringer or Thestatus

[Datisi]

i think firebringer is town

shea is probably town too but i am slightly more open to hearing that case ig

[Enchant]

I also think.

It's more reason to provoke him to execute someone and look at his reasonings. Right now he is boring and passive as fuck.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Eh.

Let's do that: we let Datisi live next night, but without protection. If mafia kills him, cool. If not.

He will state check. Regardless of what this check is, i will challenge Datisi on duel. Two times if necessary. Depends on outcome, we work out situation.


Issue is. I don't want to vote furtive either. I have feeling he thinks like me, therefore town.

There are only 2 choices today. Datisi or Furtive.

Please stop going for plans where it involves trusting future people. Duels are not reliable. Datisi DOES NOT NEED TO ACCEPT.

Please just vote Datisi with us. It is mechanically correct, if you're town this is the path. Please trust me. Please.

[ProfessorDrapion]

i think firebringer is town

shea is probably town too but i am slightly more open to hearing that case ig

^^^
This is why we execute Firebringer if Dat is confirmed/revealed as wolf.
Dat is only a wolf with Bringer.
I don’t give a fuck what Bringer’s argument is here, I don’t wanna hear it.

[Enchant]

If he does not accept. He scumclaims. So... Problem solved?

[ProfessorDrapion]

Eh.

Let's do that: we let Datisi live next night, but without protection. If mafia kills him, cool. If not.

He will state check. Regardless of what this check is, i will challenge Datisi on duel. Two times if necessary. Depends on outcome, we work out situation.


Issue is. I don't want to vote furtive either. I have feeling he thinks like me, therefore town.

There are only 2 choices today. Datisi or Furtive.

Please stop going for plans where it involves trusting future people. Duels are not reliable. Datisi DOES NOT NEED TO ACCEPT.

Please just vote Datisi with us. It is mechanically correct, if you're town this is the path. Please trust me. Please.

Actually it’s mechanically correct to resolve Furtive first and then resolve Dat the next day.

[Datisi]

i think firebringer is town

shea is probably town too but i am slightly more open to hearing that case ig

^^^
This is why we execute Firebringer if Dat is confirmed/revealed as wolf.
Dat is only a wolf with Bringer.
I don’t give a fuck what Bringer’s argument is here, I don’t wanna hear it.

mad cuz i have better reads than you again lole

[Enchant]

Eh, i kinda want to kill datisi, but i am really reluctant, like what if he IS town somehow

[ProfessorDrapion]

If Furtive is Town of course.


Basically Furtive!Town makes it obvious there is a wolf in the council.


Here’s Firebringer and Dat’s plan.
They are trying to make Mastina and Shea look bad and are hoping for them to go over instead of them.

It ain’t gonna happen.
Dat being a wolf, you DO NOT vote Mastina, you vote Bringer.
Or I’ll consider you a game thrower.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Another plan they have is Bringer hopes if Dat goes over you go after their green checks.
DO NOT DO IT.
Go after Bringer please!

[ProfessorDrapion]

@Shea
@Mastina

Please remember this!

[Firebringer]

They are trying to make Mastina and Shea look bad and are hoping for them to go over instead of them.

if by look bad u mean ive been calling them town. Sure. Lets go with that

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Eh.

Let's do that: we let Datisi live next night, but without protection. If mafia kills him, cool. If not.

He will state check. Regardless of what this check is, i will challenge Datisi on duel. Two times if necessary. Depends on outcome, we work out situation.


Issue is. I don't want to vote furtive either. I have feeling he thinks like me, therefore town.

There are only 2 choices today. Datisi or Furtive.

Please stop going for plans where it involves trusting future people. Duels are not reliable. Datisi DOES NOT NEED TO ACCEPT.

Please just vote Datisi with us. It is mechanically correct, if you're town this is the path. Please trust me. Please.

Actually it’s mechanically correct to resolve Furtive first and then resolve Dat the next day.

It's really just not. All Datisi checks are questionable. If Datisi is town, Titus becomes cop and the checks are no longer questionable. If Datisi is scum, the checks were NEVER VALID ANYWAY.

All that will happen is Datisi is going to come back with a scum check tomorrow and people will vote that instead. Furtive isn't necessarily scum and killing Furtive before Datisi flips is always bad.

If Datisi flips green I promise you 100%, if Titus doesn't green Check Furtive? I will kill Furtive next.

But it should be Datisi then furtive, because more info, not the other way around.

[Enchant]

I know third option.

VOTE: Thestatus
Please vote, so status will decide. Or atleast waste execution and won't bother us tomorrow with NOOOO DATISI IS TOWN I BELIEVE

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If he does not accept. He scumclaims. So... Problem solved?

Do you really think that people would accept that as a scumclaim? They won't.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I know third option.

VOTE: Thestatus
Please vote, so status will decide. Or atleast waste execution and won't bother us tomorrow with NOOOO DATISI IS TOWN I BELIEVE

The King is Town.

Pretty confident both them and Mastina are Town.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Hopefully they are smart enough to know I’m right and to resolve Dat and if it’s a wolf flip to resolve Bringer after.

[Enchant]

I also think.

Yet again, you want repeat of first day where he saved dwlee because he believed them?