Open 869 | Fight for the Winter Court [Game Over!]

[Coral]

I don't think anyone should be voting any time soon. I don't think it would in any way be pro-town to do so. I don't think you would vote soon as town, even though you said you would.

hahahahaha

What

do

you believe my approach is here as town? I favor a faster resolution because I have all the agency to decide this minigame in my own hands, getting the flips and knowing alignments is valuable, and being indcisive and taking too long is incredibly anti-town. I don't need a week to decide between two players.

Not be entirely unreasonable, I suppose? This all just feels like bluster to me. I'm not sure why you wouldn't want to take your time here.

[catboi]

I don't think anyone should be voting any time soon. I don't think it would in any way be pro-town to do so. I don't think you would vote soon as town, even though you said you would.

hahahahaha

What

do

you believe my approach is here as town? I favor a faster resolution because I have all the agency to decide this minigame in my own hands, getting the flips and knowing alignments is valuable, and being indcisive and taking too long is incredibly anti-town. I don't need a week to decide between two players.

Not be entirely unreasonable, I suppose? This all just feels like bluster to me. I'm not sure why you wouldn't want to take your time here.

what is "unreasonable" about me voting first???

[Coral]

Wanting to vote first is bordering on reasonable, although still suboptimal and a strange approach. Voting in the next 24 hours or so when you have a lot of threads in the other minigames that you are ostensibly still looking to resolve would be unreasonable.

If you are that convinced skitter is town, a more reasonable approach would be trying to work with her to solve rather than just throwing away the time you have for a chance at proving yourself right. I just cannot reconcile that approach with you being town. It doesn't fit.

[catboi]

Wanting to vote first is bordering on reasonable, although still suboptimal and a strange approach. Voting in the next 24 hours or so when you have a lot of threads in the other minigames that you are ostensibly still looking to resolve would be unreasonable.

If you are that convinced skitter is town, a more reasonable approach would be trying to work with her to solve rather than just throwing away the time you have for a chance at proving yourself right. I just cannot reconcile that approach with you being town. It doesn't fit.

What are you even talking about?

I haven't voted yet and my intention is to give people time to state reads etc but I am working to resolve my view of the other games and want to so swiftly. My priority #1 is voting for who I think is correct because this is the one game where I have actual agency and so of course I want to prove myself right, why wouldn't I?

so why the panic?

[Coral]

I'm not voting right away, I want people to check in first, but I am likely to vote soon.

If you think I'm scum, go ahead, pre-flip me, start partner hunting, it's all going to be meaningless very very soon.

My point is that these are bluster. I'm not panicked and I'm not sure what gives you that impression. I just think you're scum who is flailing a bit, and your play doesn't make sense from town.

[Faker]

I'm going to stay out of your way for the moment but I'm incredibly annoyed that you're choosing to play the minigame this way.

[Faker]

Tempest picking the voter also provides the same EV as having her pick the town, while still giving the players in the game some agency.

[catboi]

I'm not voting right away, I want people to check in first, but I am likely to vote soon.

If you think I'm scum, go ahead, pre-flip me, start partner hunting, it's all going to be meaningless very very soon.

My point is that these are bluster. I'm not panicked and I'm not sure what gives you that impression. I just think you're scum who is flailing a bit, and your play doesn't make sense from town.

lol okay, egg will be on your face

[catboi]

I'm going to stay out of your way for the moment but I'm incredibly annoyed that you're choosing to play the minigame this way.

what's annoying about it exactly

[Coral]

Would you like to explain the differences between those quotes and the sentiment you're expressing now, instead of just lolcatting? Why did you react so strongly to me saying that you wanted to vote soon if that was in fact exactly what you said earlier?

[catboi]

Would you like to explain the differences between those quotes and the sentiment you're expressing now, instead of just lolcatting? Why did you react so strongly to me saying that you wanted to vote soon if that was in fact exactly what you said earlier?

because you very clearly did not want me to flip and your arguments for me being scum are fucking terrible

[Faker]

I'm skeptical that it is even remotely helpful if you're town, and it certainly isn't helping you if you're mafia.

I don't need to explain what's annoying. You don't need to ask.

Have your time in the sun but I'm washing my hands of it for now, as promised I'll stay out of your way for now.

[Isis]

Is the EV actually the same if Tempest isn't involved at all? Scum can't favorably or unfavorably vote for scum. Scum can express a preference to vote for themselves but it's symmetric to every townie's identical preference.
Tempest can't corrupt the game I guess it's just a question of what you would want from her? A direction to go or a direction not to go or nothing

[catboi]

I'm skeptical that it is even remotely helpful if you're town, and it certainly isn't helping you if you're mafia.

I don't need to explain what's annoying. You don't need to ask.

Have your time in the sun but I'm washing my hands of it for now, as promised I'll stay out of your way for now.

if I'm scum why do you even care, I'm not beholden to making you not feel annoyed, obviously. I'm town though and you've all but declared me lockscum so I don't actually have reason to care if I'm annoying you, I'm not begging for you to townread me because I literally do not need it

cry more

[demona]

981 seems very inrange for anyone because it's meta pattern recognition. The others are +town content I think.

I really townread demona the most because demona's early play advances a town!demona wincon and only works in a soloQ way for scum!demona and I don't think that's how demona plays scum (and it doesn't work as well that way as it does for just town)
Which is kind of like an expansion of the "demona is centering a town!demona perspective thing" but I there's easier less abrasive things demona could have emulated if scum

^

isis post i was referring to that agrees with coral read then reiterates the town!demona because of approach thing

(which still i don’t really understand how isis thinks it generally takes me time to develop reads as town and i need to be poked but in this case her needing to do so is scum indicative because i also suggested chara vote for isis because i know i am town like i don’t get how these things are in opposition to eachother nor how my matching her expectation of town!me outside of my read of myself(?) is potentially scum indicative

like it altogether just doesn’t really make sense to me and makes me feel like her focus on my approach day one being the main reason i was town may have been to say ah different day no longer town but idk

idk can someone else maybe explain to me if it makes sense to you please)

[Faker]

Scum are essentially guaranteed to not vote first in simplified form, making it a 50/50. Hypothetically you can try and get some consensus on both players that the mafia is exactly X and X should vote first, but this is difficult and closer to 3 way.

Tempest selecting voter gives a 33% chance of picking the mafia and winning outright, a 33% chance if she picks town who then votes town.

[catboi]

981 seems very inrange for anyone because it's meta pattern recognition. The others are +town content I think.

I really townread demona the most because demona's early play advances a town!demona wincon and only works in a soloQ way for scum!demona and I don't think that's how demona plays scum (and it doesn't work as well that way as it does for just town)
Which is kind of like an expansion of the "demona is centering a town!demona perspective thing" but I there's easier less abrasive things demona could have emulated if scum

^

isis post i was referring to that agrees with coral read then reiterates the town!demona because of approach thing

(which still i don’t really understand how isis thinks it generally takes me time to develop reads as town and i need to be poked but in this case her needing to do so is scum indicative because i also suggested chara vote for isis because i know i am town like i don’t get how these things are in opposition to eachother nor how my matching her expectation of town!me outside of my read of myself(?) is potentially scum indicative

like it altogether just doesn’t really make sense to me and makes me feel like her focus on my approach day one being the main reason i was town may have been to say ah different day no longer town but idk

idk can someone else maybe explain to me if it makes sense to you please)

I see what you're saying, yes. It does seem to directly go against the point she makes in one of her more recent posts where she now says this is like how you play as scum.

[skitter30]

Isis is scum at... i want to say 80% confidence, which for me is very high. this is the outcome i expected if demona wasn't swapped out, though that doesn't mean i'm any more prepared for the next phase.

feel free to vote for isis

i would be super happy to play as confirmed (noone is

really

going to argue that i stayed in the game as a scum to, like, manipulate the other games or whatever, right?)

On reread this is actually p bad imo

[catboi]

eh I can see that post coming from either alignment

people get real squirrely about requests to be given hammer when it's really more of a nulltell

[demona]

Isis is scum at... i want to say 80% confidence, which for me is very high. this is the outcome i expected if demona wasn't swapped out, though that doesn't mean i'm any more prepared for the next phase.

feel free to vote for isis

i would be super happy to play as confirmed (noone is

really

going to argue that i stayed in the game as a scum to, like, manipulate the other games or whatever, right?)

On reread this is actually p bad imo

it just makes everything less frustrating for me

like you’ve played with me enough to know i don’t exactly react super well to being suspected/pressured et cetera and often end up making a mess of things and to just skip the potential of that altogether would be pretty ideal to me

do you really think that post outweighs everything you were previously townreading me for?

or?

[Faker]

if I'm scum why do you even care, I'm not beholden to making you not feel annoyed, obviously. I'm town though and you've all but declared me lockscum so I don't actually have reason to care if I'm annoying you, I'm not begging for you to townread me because I literally do not need it

cry more

This post made me sad. I don't think there's anything else to say.

[Faker]

Isis is scum at... i want to say 80% confidence, which for me is very high. this is the outcome i expected if demona wasn't swapped out, though that doesn't mean i'm any more prepared for the next phase.

feel free to vote for isis

i would be super happy to play as confirmed (noone is

really

going to argue that i stayed in the game as a scum to, like, manipulate the other games or whatever, right?)

On reread this is actually p bad imo

I disagree, it's basically in line with how demona was talking all of Day 1.

[demona]

and then all of the towns in the other games are working from the same perspective as me towards solving the wall

and that also seems ideal to me

[demona]

and then all of the towns in the other games are working from the same perspective as me towards solving the wall

and that also seems ideal to me

like if keep and gate is resolved in a split and it comes down to wall

and i know who were town in the other games and their thoughts regarding

it just seems like

so much easier to me

[Faker]

I'll be back later but I'm going to step out and get some cold air for now.