Mini Normal 2285: GM [game over]

[Ydrasse]

why not claim watcher alone?

[Val89]

If we assume Skitter scum it’s with Ydrasse exactly

Why?

[MathBlade]

If we assume Skitter scum it’s with Ydrasse exactly

Why?

Assume Skitter scum and Ydrasse fake inno. Then something messed with her checks.
If Skitter Ascetic there’s no reason skitter isn’t doing kills every night so 3 no deaths is excessive so that’s out.
Then the only way that works is if FB blocked Ydrasse as scum to prevent the “confirm”. But then scum no kill here is the only viable option. But scum no kill to frame scum doesn’t make sense because Skitter + FB aren’t hard bussing for cred. So this one is out.

So if Skitter is scum then it has to be with Ydrasse so I always flip Ydrasse first.

[MathBlade]

*she
Well fire and ydra are both claiming they think i'm town after their actions last night, which is kinda ??? to me

Like i certainly don't mind but something feels off here

Agreed.
I think that there's at least 1 scum in {you, Fire, Ydra}.

I don’t think there has to be

[Val89]

Nevermind, I figured it.

On reflection, I think I was barking up the wrong tree yesterday with respect to the importance of town knowing about the importance of ninjas pointing to a town!ydra - ninjas interact with Kitty's watcher role, not Ydra's.

[Freedom]

I still haven’t caught up with any mech discussions (idk if anyone wants to tldr for me but nw I’ll catch up later) but gth scum is somewhere in ydr/fire/val/like maybe Herta

Ydra claimed inno on skitter. When asked to clarify, she said that she was Disloyal Checker and got no result. She decided that skitter was not Ascetic because she found Ninja Ascetic, 'goofy'.
Math claimed Doc on Firebringer, who claimed JK on skitter.
Kitty claimed Ascetic Tracker with the results of nobody visiting. His targets were Pooky, Val and Toto for N1, N2 and N3 respectively.
Pretty everybody else (minus Toto) claimed VT.

WATCHER!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT TRACKER!

Oops.
I misremembered.

[Freedom]

*she
Well fire and ydra are both claiming they think i'm town after their actions last night, which is kinda ??? to me

Like i certainly don't mind but something feels off here

Agreed.
I think that there's at least 1 scum in {you, Fire, Ydra}.

I mean i think fire/ydra, but agreed

Then, should we sort Firebringer today?
VOTE: Firebringer

[Firebringer]

why would u flip me when i can still stop kills?

[Firebringer]

also again i have to repeat for anyone who stupidly thinks im scum:
that people are ignoring for whatever reason no matter how many times i repeat it.
For me to be scum:
I would have to go for no kill 3 nights intentionally:
A) My slot is informed of Toto role. I know he can't be protected. If im scum could easily had pooky go for Toto and would never be found out.
B) I decided to buss pooky instead of calling math scum yesterday for my 'fake jk' (we are assuming for this argument im not jk)
C) I also am not trying to elim Skitter today even though i have soft guilty on her via no one dying. Yet everyone claims of this hypo world in which I AM THE ONE who is trying to frame her, even though arguing the exact opposite. Scum framing her by no killing or shooting me/skitter. Why should skitter. No clue

And finally and probably more importantly. What makes anyone think by play i am scum here. Ignoring the mechanics for 5 minutes cause we all should. What makes u think my interactions with pooky when i subbed in and called him scum, is me bussing. Do we have arguments on this?

Skitter im specifically looking at you for this, because ur being exceptionally lazy with analysis lately.

[Freedom]

why would u flip me when i can still stop kills?

You are generally agreed to be in the scumpool by skitter, me and Math to a degree.
If you want, we can do Ydra/skitter insteas as I want to sort between you three.

[Firebringer]

i am literally dumb founded i can even be in a sorting pool.
for me to be scum the kind of logic twists you would have to pull to make the argument is nuts.
and i get everyone confused on how we have no kills and night actions making very little sense but

out of all the people in that pool i am the least possible to be scum. It would require me bussing and no killing for no reason whatsoever except i guess im doing deep wolf.

[Firebringer]

i actually don't think skitter has once even tried to analyze me this game.
And that really pisses me off.

Skitter, as ur friend. read my posts and come to a conclusion on me or probe me if ur not sure.

[Freedom]

i am literally dumb founded i can even be in a sorting pool.
for me to be scum the kind of logic twists you would have to pull to make the argument is nuts.
and i get everyone confused on how we have no kills and night actions making very little sense but

out of all the people in that pool i am the least possible to be scum. It would require me bussing and no killing for no reason whatsoever except i guess im doing deep wolf.

Who do you think is most likely, then?

[Freedom]

Because Math thinks that the 'least problematic' scenario is that we're scum together (because IV SRed me) and he thinks that you decided to not NK on N3 and targeted iv on N2.

[innocentvillager]

I think there has to be scum in the pr claims at this point, this doesnt make sense otherwise

Ok this was before Kt claimed - why..? What were you thinking here

[innocentvillager]

i jailkept Skitter last night.
So either scum shot at me while math was healing me (at least i think math healed me)
Shot into skitter.
No killed hoping my JK was frame

Or scum is just skitter who tried to kill.

Pick ur theory

Well i would be quite surprised if scum tried to kill me
And scum shooting at you is a little ???? given math indicated he was gonna be on you
And i know i didnt try to kill anyone last night

So ... i'm left with a nk frame or you being scum

oh it wasn’t cuz too much tpr, it was bcz this (correct me if I’m wrong). false alarm

[Val89]

I don't think scum!FB works in any scenario.

From what I gather, unless there was a deliberate choice to No kill on any particular night; scum shot at IV N1; they shot at either Math or IV again on N2; and they shot at Skitter or FB (and thus FB is town) N3.

Even if FB is lying, all that means is scum didn't shoot MB N2, and skitter wasn't shot at N3, and what team ever shoots at skitter there, so that is extremely likely to be a No Kill choice. I'm also struggling to understand what team doesn't take a shot at MB on N3, unless they were trying to maneuverer around the possibly FB jails MB for protection again, which implies town!FB. It's also clear that, either by No Kill choice or alternative selection, they don't give a hoot about leaving Toto alive.

Looking again at the order the info came out, FB announces the JK on skitter

after

Ydra claims an inno. Why doesn't scum!FB claim to JK someone else at that point?

[Toto]

K, guys, after some further thinking and coffee I've come to the conclusion we have to murder in {Val, Herta, Freedom} or maybe {Ydra} today. We can consider more wacky scenarios if reach ELO, depending on who is left.

In the scenario where all PR claims are true, and ignoring roleblocking/ascetic skitter and assuming no NK shenanigans (thats lots of ifs) then both scum

have

to be in {Val, Herta, Freedom}

Given how the claims rolled this day do any of those claimed VT pairs fakeclaims a PR today? I don't think they can. Town in this case is already pretty confused by the skitter fiasco so why complicate their lives?

I think ascetic skitter is meh given they would have likely shot at something. There is also roleblocked Ydra & NK, but why? So most likely is either Ydra lying or skitter is probably town.

Which leaves us with some additional NK scenarios we can consider later.

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The problem I'm having is I want to murder everyone in that pool. Can you guys help me sort this out?

[MathBlade]

Quite honestly my shot is freedom in that pool and kinda is where I am at.

I think Kitty + one is possible. The invest would find the PRs that are needed to die.

[Freedom]

Math, when I flip Town, who would you think scum is?

[Val89]

I can understand that pool, and why we would want to do Ydra before skitter, as scummy as I think that slot is absent considerations about the checker.

Looking at Pookies ISO, there is a marked difference between how Herta was treated compared to myself and freedom.

Someone who is more familiar with how Pooky might treat a buddy can tell me if this is the wrong approach, but I am inclined to start with the slot that earnt a different treatment to my own.

VOTE: Herta

I also think a scum!Herta flip would remove any residual paranoia with respect to skitter since I've not felt theatre vibes between the two, and I don't think pooky complains in thread about the two voting him together while scumreading him if they are a team.

[MathBlade]

Math, when I flip Town, who would you think scum is?

I would do VCA at that point. I would revisit this if a wagon on you picks up steam.

[Toto]

Freedom, who do you want to elim in that pool?

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