Cosmos Mafia (Postgame)

[Meuh]

Not sure how I feel about a massclaim when I think a majority of players have already claimed (though we should probably properly compile everyone’s claims to easily refer to it)
At this point non-claimers are likely either scum or townies who we wouldn’t benefit from claiming
But also with so little people not claiming, it probably won’t make or break the game, so I’m not strongly opposed.

[Firebringer]

Ughhh okay

FIRST
Ydrasse
Firebringer
professotic
T-Bone
PPF
Magician
Meuh
LAST

If you've already full claimed take yourself off the list

claimed VT. Think ydra claimed VT as well

[Firebringer]

@CSF why u voting enchant if u think ydra is way more likely here

[professotic]

I’m still holding on to the CSF/Yume Lunar read.
@Solar
I’d suggest killing that.

why? and what's your current solve?

you're going to have to case me anyway if you want others to follow you instead of flatly asserting I'm Lunar as you've been doing

I’m really not sure on Solar tbh but I think your Lunar and I’m not sure if it’s with Dingle or not cause their posts have been getting better but yet they are defending you and it would make sense for your team member to do that for you here so.

Ughhh okay

FIRST
Ydrasse
Firebringer
professotic
T-Bone
PPF
Magician
Meuh
LAST

If you've already full claimed take yourself off the list

The issue with this list and how bad this list is, there has been full claims by these players.
Dingle isn’t truth telling I don’t think.

So I’m going back with my initial Dingle/CSF team tbh.

[professotic]

Well some.

Like Me, Meuh and Ydrass.
Yet Dingle feels COMFORTABLY FINE putting CSF out of this.

[professotic]

Ughhh okay

FIRST
Ydrasse
Firebringer
professotic
T-Bone
PPF
Magician
Meuh
LAST

If you've already full claimed take yourself off the list

claimed VT. Think ydra claimed VT as well

THEY DID!

[professotic]

@CSF why u voting enchant if u think ydra is way more likely here

Cause they are a wolf.


If you ask me.

[professotic]

@T-Bone

Like there is NO WAY Dingle missed my claim.

Tell me that wasn’t fucking wolfy?

[Meuh]

Tbh you just mentioned your claim and it took me a solid minute to remember it
But if someone's actively making a list of who to claim that's probably something they should remember

Also:

Yet Dingle feels COMFORTABLY FINE putting CSF out of this.

This post exists

Ughhh okay

FIRST
Ydrasse
Firebringer
professotic
T-Bone
PPF
Magician
CSF
LAST

If you've already full claimed take yourself off the list

Oops that's what I meant

Who even hasn't claimed? T-bone and Magician? Is that literally it? It's not even a massclaim at that point it's just filling in some blanks.
I remember both of them softing VT but it's a vague memory

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

The issue with this list and how bad this list is, there has been full claims by these players.
Dingle isn’t truth telling I don’t think.

So I’m going back with my initial Dingle/CSF team tbh.

Iiii fucking CALLED IT I KNEW you were gonna pull some bullshit over this hahahaha

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Ughhh okay

FIRST
Ydrasse
Firebringer
professotic
T-Bone
PPF
Magician
Meuh
LAST

If you've already full claimed take yourself off the list

claimed VT. Think ydra claimed VT as well

THEY DID!

Note that these are the only claims Firebringer mentions
AKA, Firebringer also doesn't have your claim at the top of his head

[Cat Scratch Fever]

@CSF why u voting enchant if u think ydra is way more likely here

I think ydra is more likely to be Lunar than enchant

But not sure she's actually more likely to be scum overall

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I haven't full claimed btw

[professotic]

Tbh you just mentioned your claim and it took me a solid minute to remember it
But if someone's actively making a list of who to claim that's probably something they should remember

Also:

Yet Dingle feels COMFORTABLY FINE putting CSF out of this.

This post exists

Ughhh okay

FIRST
Ydrasse
Firebringer
professotic
T-Bone
PPF
Magician
CSF
LAST

If you've already full claimed take yourself off the list

Oops that's what I meant

Who even hasn't claimed? T-bone and Magician? Is that literally it? It's not even a massclaim at that point it's just filling in some blanks.
I remember both of them softing VT but it's a vague memory

When I quickly scrolled through this I seen my avatar and thought it was from this post and was like “damn is TicTac finally back!?” But nope.

[professotic]

TicTac is so behind that the dude probably still has the Mastina/PPF wolves solve lol.

[T-Bone]

My role has been out since day 1

[professotic]

Fun fact.

I was looking back at a solve I had in hydra chat at November 24th, I believe before our slot came back into the thread.

Solar Cult
Radical Rat
Firebringer
Toogeloo

Lunar Cult
Dingle Dangle Scarecrow
Unwnd

^I had 2 of the Solar Cult correct. Lol.

[professotic]

Then shortly after this solve I realized Math shot Unwnd.

Shows how much I didn’t pay full attention after the ghost ability was used lol.

[Past Present Future]

Btw, I’m extremely confident on my Meuh tr and not just because of Mastina.

[professotic]

I feel the Yume could have been pocketing Mastina on day 1.

[professotic]

Well, as for why I voted, I am sheeping mastina, plainly. Because while I still feel somewhat betrayed, at the end of the day, I still respect her skills.

@Titus

You realize I said one scumread on Mastina and then she does nothing but make this battle.
I told her it’s one she loses. She proceeded anyway.

She’s doing the damn near equivalent of screaming an innocent child is scum. (I am not IC it’s an analogy).

I was fully content to lurk it out and have people talk other reads and see what she spews.

A lurker wagon when Mastina is destroying the townblock is not ideal.

We are almost at Stevens Universe levels here of bad if she’s town which I don’t think she is.

Yes, and you do realize that if you're town, this game will play out exactly like that one? Like, if you're town, what you are suggesting is a repeat performance of that. *is still bitter five years later*

These can definitely be a wolf pocketing a town!mastina.

[professotic]

I think Math v Mastina is tvt and I’m willing to die on that hill.

Well, then, convince him to go at someone else, cause I can't.

I hydra’d with Math in DnD mafia and he was deathtunnelled on obvtown Kokichi and absolutely nothing I could say could get him to budge from that. People wanted to lim us because of his Kokichi deathtunnel.

Then I can't unvote, I am afraid. If he is that hyper-focused on limming another townie, then he is actually hurting the town by remaining alive. The only way to stop it is to lim him or mastina.

Well, there is an easy check to ascertain whether mastina's town, one I can do. If it doesn't work as I expect, then you can have at her and I won't stop you, that's a promise. And I never break them, unlike some. All I need is a chance to perform it.

Well, there is an easy check to ascertain whether mastina's town, one I can do. If it doesn't work as I expect, then you can have at her and I won't stop you, that's a promise. And I never break them, unlike some. All I need is a chance to perform it.

But then I have to trust you and I am frank I have zero way of reading you.

I am not used to being able to converse with you ever.

Hence why my read of you is let others.

So I would defer to my TRs

Honestly if you have such an ability I’d almost lean on you not outing it and doing it based on Mastina’s flip

Suikoden mafia and I have hydraed with Yume multiple times. I'd eat my hat if she's scum here.

~Titus

You realize I don’t trust you either and last time you said that phrase I think you were scum?

You don't need to trust me in order to know that I'm likely right there. The question is have I ever said it and been wrong? When's the last time I've been wrong on Yume?

~Titus

Well, there was that one game where I pocketed you...

I won't vote mastina unless my check on her flubs. Is that clear enough for all of you?

So if you want her limmed, either let me check her or get someone who isn't me to vote with you.

You havent even read why I voted her and you call me biased?

It's probably because 'waaahhh, she scumreads me and I don't wanna be scumread, waaaa, waaa, waaaah'

are you serious?

Yes, that's the vibe I get from your posts.

Besides, if you were town, you would not ignore the fact that I can check whether she is town or not!

you claimed cop before doing the check?!

In a possible bastard multiball game?

Well, my check doesn't really work if you lim the target I was planning to resolve, does it? So I had to claim.

The check would really work on two certain players. mastina is one of them.

Because even if mastina gets limmed, Mathblade will just pick another target to tunnel and once that target is limmed, he'll pick yet another one. Rinse and repeat.

So yeah, if there is a cult, I want in it...

So have fun with mislimming mastina. See you on D2 when you actually listen.

[professotic]

Like, there is only one player I will believe when they say mastina is scum, and none of the current players in this game are that player. Yes, mastina isn't either, because I am aware of the fact that she can pocket me.

If mastina mislim is unavoidable, I will vote there, but until then, I will not budge.

Yume, you already confirmed liar.

Why listen to you?

Don't listen to me. Listen to four other players who also say mastina is town.

Yume, I'm sorry, but you need to full claim, only leaving out the identity of the second person you can apparently check.

Because "A cop that isn't actually a cop and only works specifically on two people but isn't limited shot and also doesn't actually work at all in multiball" is... Really difficult to believe.

And not claiming the precise nature of this "check" isn't helping you, because the dangerous part of the claim (investigative claiming to target a high profile elimination candidate) is already out there.

Otherwise, I'm just gonna have to assume you're making this shit up as you go to protect mastina.

Believe what you want to believe.

I can see Dingle being town cause Bella does feel more like their town game of which I hosted.
However, I still think they are a wolf and I still think you can be a wolf however I know I’m more then likely not gonna be completely right about my reads day 1 and as for Radical, I originally wolf read that slot from their push on me, then I found them Townie and then I went kinda back to Null Sub them into a wolf team read.
So yeah I can agree with this allot.
Radical, FA and Radja makes sense.

Want to vote scum today?

VOTE: Radical Rat

I can go for that, yes.

VOTE: Radical Rat

mastina is town...remember this, and live by it. Because if she isn't...I will be seriously pissed.

jjh would scumread me for these posts, but screw it, I'll take being scumread to shut all of you up!

Well, I might as well say it, then. I sell prunes. That's the true nature of my check. It's also why it won't work in multiball.

Just answer me this Yume. How can I, T-Bone, in this game, be informed that Mastina is scum?

If you're not informed, then lay off the 100 % certainty that she is scum. That goes for all of you.

You're the only one throwing out 100% certaincy.

You didn't answer my question either. Why did you say that I must be informed she is scum because I scumread her?

Because if you weren't informed, you would reconsider, obviously.

Well, I see no reason to continue. We'll all be rehashing the same argument, unless one side gives in.

VOTE: mastina

I am sorry, but sometimes sacrifices need to be made.

LMAO YOU USE 2008 YEAR GAMES AS REAL VALUE IN THIS GAME.

YOU KNOW WHAT? FINE!!! KEEP MASTINA FROM CLAIMING FOR ALL I CARE! MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO ME! YOU ARE THE ONES WHO WANT HER TO CLAIM, SO BY ALL MEANS, KEEP PREVENTING YOURSELVES FROM GETTING WHAT YOU WANT!

Please ignore the new posts, mastina, for your sanity, and mine.

That's all right, because if she dies and flips town, I will just shove her posts at all of you until all of you remember them.

If I were scum, why would I want the one of few persons who can successfully peg me as such to replace in? To be clear, jjh can't be pocketed by me, so if you're thinking along those lines, you'd be wrong.

Also, I checked mastina and she can be scum

Depends.

[professotic]

As to how my role works, remember Rose Quartz?

No. I don't want or see the point of you explaining it in a confusing way, I can't think what you wouldn't want the scumteams to know given that you already outted as an investigative.

Well, I am pseudo-investigative. I know when someone is targeted with a kill or a negative ability, which generally means they're targeted by scum. And I know mastina wasn't targeted.

Also, PPF lied about selling apples.

I thought you wanted to sell us apples....

~Titus

Nope. You implied to have the ability to when I asked you about it early on. I sell prunes, not apples.

Well, when someone is targeted by scum, that generally means they're town, does it not?

Note that I said 'generally'.

Well, when someone is targeted by scum, that generally means they're town, does it not?

Note that I said 'generally'.

Why would scum target her?

To kill her? She's one of the few players that can read others well, so scum would want to be rid of her.

VOTE: MMR

I read mastina's reasoning and I agree with it.

My scumreads: RR, unwnd, MMR and Mathblade.

So...uh...I am suddenly scared mastina is deceiving me...

So...uh...I am suddenly scared mastina is deceiving me...

Mastina and PPF has been one of my theories on D1.

Can you help me sort it?

I understand you townread her D1.

Can you use your Yume logic to re-evaluate her?

That's the thing. I cannot. Her posts all say she's town.

That said, if mastina is scum, then one of her 'townreads' should have been killed. The fact that none of us were is a point in her favor.

VOTE: mastina

Yes, I joined the coalition.

Okay, my mastina tr is back.

UNVOTE:

I am out of the coalition.

We're informed that at least one of the scum has a role almost identical to us.

Ah yes, the mafia loyal neopolitan indeed

I think it implies Mastina, who get innocents from VTs, ATTUNEMENTS from PRs and Scum.

So... Yep.

I am a PR and I am one of her townreads.

VOTE: MMR

Also

Spoiler: for mastina

I am in fact capable of emulating my town meta as scum

You won't be able to kill mastina while I am around.

Notice how Yume try’s to shift to Mastina in hopes people would change the CW off of MMR.
But then switches back into the Mastina pocket and votes MMR again.
I also think Mastina was losing their town read on Yume but I don’t remember.

[professotic]

And as much as I hate Wisdom, I am gonna have to use Wisdom logic. You think multiple players telling you she is town are all wrong?

I think you're wrong but town, MB isn't really saying she's town anymore. PPF I used to townread but now I think they might be scum as well, partnered or not.

Who else is saying mastina's town? Scarf? I scumread them anyway.

And here is the thing, even if PPF is scum, they townread mastina via knowing she is town, so even if they are scum, she is still town.

You can't get mastina out while I am around, though, so...yeah.

Fed up of mastina's spamming. There aren't gonna be 2 Astrologers are there. So just vote out mastina, a town flip implicates MMR but I don't think there will be one.

Get mastina out.

And MMR can't be faking his claim because why again?

They can be, I think mastina is faking because they claimed first. If MMR was scum they would choose a different role.

mastina doesn't fake her role as scum. Nice try.

Fed up of mastina's spamming. There aren't gonna be 2 Astrologers are there. So just vote out mastina, a town flip implicates MMR but I don't think there will be one.

Get mastina out.

And MMR can't be faking his claim because why again?

Also, to those who scumread mastina, show me one game in the past five years where she spammed in the exact manner she does in this game, okay?

mastina explained that in her big post. Not her fault people tend to skim them.

Pardon me for not reading everything mastina has written in this game, but I value actually having an enjoyable experience when I play these games.

Well, I personally find reading her posts enjoyable.

And I am willing to bet that no one who scumreads her has read her posts in their entirety.

I did.

Then prove it. Tell me what did she say in her latest post without looking at it.

Uhhh

Enchant disconnected from chat!

Yeah, and stay away. In fact, all of you stay away.

No I don't?

I want to play the game

But mastina has not made about the game, so we're having this discussion

And you have yet to tell me she is not verbose as town. You have yet to tell me that she doesn't make huge posts as town and only does so as scum.

Also, mastina, he wants you to go off the handle, so don't.

Have you even played with mastina, ever? I doubt it, so shut up!

Also, just like me, if she tries to emulate her towngame as scum, people will be able to tell. Maybe not me, but others would.

And now furtive will say 'but those who townread her are all scum for reasons I won't bother explaining'. Prediction go!

Last ones here I’ll grab.