Open 869 | Fight for the Winter Court [Game Over!]

[Coral]

Okay not horrible cool. I think the intent is someone to be hammered since we vote one player.

But if I vote myself it removes a lot of paranoia of derp hammer. So then Skitter and Catboi likely know what you’re saying is true that I am town versus trying to convince Skitter which much as I misread her she misreads me. And Catboi I don’t have many memorable games with but have played with them so I think that works.

No, votes aren't locked. Voting yourself won't provide any information.

[Coral]

Okay, I think it's probably not a good idea, I doubt the benefits are worth much anyway. I like the idea, though.

[MathBlade]

Cool okay then. I am going to try again to read the thread but I am like getting nowhere while tipsy.

Probably will try again tomorrow or just say fuck it.

[Coral]

Some scattered notes from a day 1 reread, on absinthe and how people interacted with her:

1) Starting at 107, an interesting interaction with Chara. Chara states a townlean, absinthe asks if it knows who she is, there's some back and forth about history, with absinthe gently nudging and saying that she hasn't done anything town yet. Chara's 118, revising the townlean to a reaction test. My bias is likely clouding my vision here but it's hard for me not to read this as a slightly awkward scum partner interaction. absinthe's delayed response in 132 is excellently made though if it is, and pretty successful at defusing that feeling. 144 is good as well. Hard to judge, overall, but worth remembering and looking over.

2) skitter was the first to call out absinthe as scummy. Not that meaningful for her alignment, but the continued prodding in 176 is good. I don't see much of a reaction elsewhere surrounding it, at least not immediately. Later, unprompted, absinthe townreading skitter for the interaction (341) and then skitter completely ignoring that seems distinctly unaligned to me.

3) Faker. Starts with 316, asking for the absinthe/Faker/catboi grouping. Follows up with a scumread in 369 for the question being ignored. Stronger in 379. In 412 she calls her scum and says that she would be scared of the grouping and would swap out. Commits to that grouping over one with Tempest in 441. 445 absinthe responds for the first time, and resists the placement. I'm not going to link all the posts because there's a lot, but Faker gradually builds up the pressure, absinthe continues to resist, then eventually gives in (and later says she didn't feel any pressure). I just can't see any world where scum Faker pulls this out, draws a lot of eyes onto absinthe, and then swaps her back out without really making the mini game that much more winnable for herself? It just puts two minigames at a disadvantage while also wasting a lot of time and pressure that could be setting up better groupings.

4) Chara calls out absinthe as a member of its predicted scumteam in 413. Also includes catboi. catboi replies with "interesting" in 415. In a vacuum I want to call this more likely to be Chara unaligned with those two, but relatively minor and easily fakeable.

5) Page 21 and the following few I think are really worth a reread for the rest of you once absinthe flips, if Gate goes early. It's where absinthe suspicion seems to generally build, and where absinthe continues to push back on Faker's assignment. I can feel quite a bit of tension here, that loosens significantly as things move later, but here things feel sharper. Faker has absinthe as top scum in 502. Tempest mentions suspicion in 521. Faker and absinthe have some back and forth on page 23. catboi, around the same time, has trouble finding anyone scummy in 549 and feels lost in 564. Then starts keying in onto absinthe, with 567, 578, 595, 604. Where does this sudden burst of focus come from, from 3 different simultaneous angles? It feels a bit sudden to me for it to be coming naturally from town who had just said they won't have strong feelings and would probably just go to keep soon. I believe it's motivated by seeing how much of a focus absinthe has become and needing to start building more threads there.

6) 953 from absinthe towards skitter and the ensuing interactions feels unaligned to me. 966 as well.

7) Oh wow, the first thing that feels potentially meaningful as an interaction between demona-absinthe! I was starting to believe we had none and was going to be concerned. 1021, response in 1028, let's see. Hmm. The initial post seems good. The response, though, worries me. It feels flat, like there's no concern from absinthe of a threat from the suspicion of demona, no need to try to appear sorting in response. I wish I could call this unaligned, but I can't. It's plausibly partnered.

8) If absinthe and catboi are scum, I'm a bit less impressed by demona's call for chara and tempest to go to the opposite of their originally assigned locations. While I think it's still a towny thing to suggest, in that world it likely wouldn't affect scum that significantly. It's already set to be 0-1-2 (or 1-0-2), so it doesn't actually make it any less likely to be 1-1-1.

[Coral]

Quick conclusions from that:

Chara

- Some complicated interactions. Deeply unsure. Purely off this, my gut says town actually, but I know I shouldn't trust gut here.

Isis

- Nothing stood out, which worries me a little.

demona

- Not much either. Difference in how absinthe responded here vs responded to Chara feels meaningful.

catboi

- Approach makes sense as partnered.

skitter

- Interactions are towny. I think she just got the read correct here, and I don't think she needs to land on the side of absinthe being scum today given her continual suspicion of me day 1.

Faker

- Hard townread. Approach seems ridiculous and damaging to the team if partnered. Would demand to know what exactly Faker is trying to accomplish here from anyone who thinks they could be partnered.

[skitter30]

I get wanting to move the game along but the easiest way for that to happen might be I vote myself. I have to ask the mod a question but I think that works. Then the only way town wins and we achieve a hammer is by hammering me.

However this is drunk math talking so maybe this is a terrible idea.

Someone tell me this is terrible.

Is that legal?

[skitter30]

I'm feeling increasingly convinced it's just ffery at gate

[catboi]

And does Prism try to plant a fake town tell on the opening of day two by saying that he thought that ffery was the one confirmed town? Some people think that things like that are cheap, and frankly I misread it the same exact way, so that felt natural.

by his own admission, yes absolutely he will use tactics like that as scum. I could probably find posts that admit that with a little effort.

[Ydrasse]

GUMDROP GATE

[1]

absinthe:

Coral
[0]

Coral:

[2]

Not voting:

absinthe,

Tempest

WAFER WALL

[0]

Herta:

[0]

Isis:

[0]

Chara:

[3]

Not voting:

Herta, Isis, Chara

KRAMPUS KEEP

[0]

MathBlade:

[0]

skitter30:

[0]

catboi:

[3]

Not voting:

MathBlade, skitter30, catboi

MOD NOTES

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• v/la: absinthe

• free candy cane

[catboi]

I'm feeling increasingly convinced it's just ffery at gate

atp her reads are too bad to come from someone who is informed of everyone's alignment

[MathBlade]

I get wanting to move the game along but the easiest way for that to happen might be I vote myself. I have to ask the mod a question but I think that works. Then the only way town wins and we achieve a hammer is by hammering me.

However this is drunk math talking so maybe this is a terrible idea.

Someone tell me this is terrible.

Is that legal?

Waiting to hear back but I fail to see why not?

If town you voted me, then I can’t vote me then we can’t ever win. (If you’re scum replace that with Catboi)

I see no reason we can’t go out of order traditionally.

[MathBlade]

Cool she said I could I hate phone lag. Major delay on PM receipt time.

[skitter30]

Ok but like her reads are too bad to look like she's solving either, abd coral looks like she is

Pedit r.e. ffery

[Chara]

i'd like to thank Coral for absolutely bringing in the effort today with the partner reads from absinthe. i know scum Coral also has every reason to do this but i'd like to give credit where credit is due regardless, especially with motivations low on several fronts.

[skitter30]

Can you change your vote after? What's stopping scum from doing that?

Ig i don't get the point

Pedit agreed

[Chara]

skitter, did you forget how the Keeps works again when you asked if Math voting himself was legal?

[skitter30]

No, i just don't get what the point of it is
Or maybe i'm missing something

[Chara]

Ok but like her reads are too bad to look like she's solving either, abd coral looks like she is

Pedit r.e. ffery

while this is true, is that really good enough for you? like, i get it and it just makes sense, but i think as has been said already we're in a game where it's not as simple as X is solving and Y isn't, therefore Y scum.

i do townread Coral and not absinthe, though.

[MathBlade]

skitter, did you forget how the Keeps works again when you asked if Math voting himself was legal?

This. I am not sure if Skitter is trying to fake a townslip or just scum here.

Me moving my vote would be incredibly silly if I was scum.

The goal of the mini game is to vote the town person.

[Chara]

No, i just don't get what the point of it is
Or maybe i'm missing something

when you asked "is that legal" it sounded like you were wondering if mod would allow it, but why wouldn't she?

i don't know if there's a point either but Math suggesting it doesn't really surprise me.

[MathBlade]

At the Keep, Nutcracker Soldiers must vote on one player. If that player is a Nutcracker Soldier, the Nutcracker Soldiers win; otherwise, the Minions of Summer win.

If you or Catboi voted the other, then I were to move my vote then not only would that be a scum claim it would be incredibly stupid.

Needless to say like what?

[MathBlade]

(I am not scum but like what? I am glad the alcohol wore off because damn)

[MathBlade]

Ok but like her reads are too bad to look like she's solving either, abd coral looks like she is

Pedit r.e. ffery

Why are her reads bad?

Are they bad because you don’t reach the same conclusion? Or are they bad for some justifiable point?

[skitter30]

I thought the point of the keep was to vote *someone* else you think is town, which is why i was wondering

If math is town
And votes himself

The town in me/catboi (i.e. me) has to vote him, ehich seems unideal from my perspective

If math is scum
And votes himself
Me/catboi need to vote each other, and if math switches off .... i don't understand why it's a scumclaim to switch off here

[Chara]

I'm feeling increasingly convinced it's just ffery at gate

atp her reads are too bad to come from someone who is informed of everyone's alignment

would you mind talking about this as well, catboi?