Open 869 | Fight for the Winter Court [Game Over!]

[skitter30]

Ok but like her reads are too bad to look like she's solving either, abd coral looks like she is

Pedit r.e. ffery

while this is true, is that really good enough for you? like, i get it and it just makes sense, but i think as has been said already we're in a game where it's not as simple as X is solving and Y isn't, therefore Y scum.

i do townread Coral and not absinthe, though.

No, this is just where i'm feeling at this time

[skitter30]

Me/catboi need to vote each other, and if math switches off .... i don't understand why it's a scumclaim to switch off here

Like i get why it's a bad idea from scum-him perspective
Doesnt seem like a scumclaim to me

[skitter30]

Ok but like her reads are too bad to look like she's solving either, abd coral looks like she is

Pedit r.e. ffery

Why are her reads bad?

Are they bad because you don’t reach the same conclusion? Or are they bad for some justifiable point?

They're very shallow and float-y and don't feel like she's solving the game

[MathBlade]

I thought the point of the keep was to vote *someone* else you think is town, which is why i was wondering

If math is town
And votes himself

The town in me/catboi (i.e. me) has to vote him, ehich seems unideal from my perspective

If math is scum
And votes himself
Me/catboi need to vote each other, and if math switches off .... i don't understand why it's a scumclaim to switch off here

Let’s assume that I am scum for sake of argument.

Assume a vote is on you or Catboi that is not on yourself. If I then hammer you or Catboi. That says the three of us pick you or Catboi as the town of us three. I as scum would have hammered town and lost the mini game.

Let’s assume I am town. I know one of you is scum.

Again assume crossvote after my vote.

Then I know either A) scum voted town or B) town voted scum. Hammering is not in my interests as my vote is on myself. It’s much better to wait and have the town hammer me. Because then I avoid doing what scum wants.

I have no town motivation to move my vote once placed

[Chara]

I thought the point of the keep was to vote *someone* else you think is town, which is why i was wondering

If math is town
And votes himself

The town in me/catboi (i.e. me) has to vote him, ehich seems unideal from my perspective

If math is scum
And votes himself
Me/catboi need to vote each other, and if math switches off .... i don't understand why it's a scumclaim to switch off here

sure but... from town Math pov why

wouldn't

he want to vote himself? he can switch from voting himself to voting who of you/cat he thinks is town if he wants to, and for town Math who knows he's town having his vote where it is is the same as having it not on anyone, except he knows he's voting town and the other town could theoretically hammer him (even if it's very unlikely)

it's not a scumclaim to switch off, but it makes sense to me for Math to say that, basically.

[Chara]

though a crossvote in the Keep is never happening. scum has no reason to vote town in the Keep, it'd be the same as throwing. the town they're crossing with would just immediately hammer themselves and win the Keep for town.

[MathBlade]

though a crossvote in the Keep is never happening. scum has no reason to vote town in the Keep, it'd be the same as throwing. the town they're crossing with would just immediately hammer themselves and win the Keep for town.

Do you get the sense Skitter never really thought about how to play the mini game from a town POV? I kinda get that feeling.

[MathBlade]

If the point was to vote someone else and there’s only 3 people then scum automatically win the mini game lmao.

Like assume town voted town. Town won’t hammer themselves because they lose because it’s not someone else. Scum won’t hammer because it’s town. If the point was someone else we would need 4 players not three.

[MathBlade]

I thought the point of the keep was to vote *someone* else you think is town, which is why i was wondering

If math is town
And votes himself

The town in me/catboi (i.e. me) has to vote him, ehich seems unideal from my perspective

If math is scum
And votes himself
Me/catboi need to vote each other, and if math switches off .... i don't understand why it's a scumclaim to switch off here

sure but... from town Math pov why

wouldn't

he want to vote himself? he can switch from voting himself to voting who of you/cat he thinks is town if he wants to, and for town Math who knows he's town having his vote where it is is the same as having it not on anyone, except he knows he's voting town and the other town could theoretically hammer him (even if it's very unlikely)

it's not a scumclaim to switch off, but it makes sense to me for Math to say that, basically.

Unlikely vs never. If on the off chance Skitter is the town in Catboi/Skitter I take the unlikely over never every time. Skitter has been very “math is scum, math is scum” mantra. When she gets like that she tends to be politely tunnelled (versus me a loud tunneller) and she has to see I am town versus say so. If I can use a self vote to make it unlikely for never that might just give us a shot.

Granted I don’t think Skitter is the town here.

If I was a mod, I would make votes locked in these mini games as I am surprised they’re not. I find it actually would probably work better.

[skitter30]

Mechanics is just not my strong suit

Like ig i just don't see the point, i can vote myself too but i don't think it gets us any closer to solving this game

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Math if you're town here can we just take a step back and try to reach that mutually? Cuz if not we're not winning this
(As an aside i'm kinda confused why we're just hammering the 'skitter is scum' point to anyone that iant catboi, you havent tried talking to him at all and he's the one you have to convince to win this ...)

Also from my pov (and again, i know i'm the town here) you voting yourself doesnt substantially increase the odds of town winning this one because regardless of if you have a vote on you i'm not voting you if i'm not thoroughly convinced you're town, which i am not

I am open to being convinced tho

[MathBlade]

It’s not about solving for us.

It’s about being possible to win the game and for the other mini games.

And regarding Catboi, I am not spending as much time talking to them because they’re not screaming I am scum repeatedly. They’re not the one I have to reach out to avoid losing the game. This game is more about avoiding losing because given time I will obv Town. I just if you’re town have to find a way to reach you. Once everyone is open to the possibility that I can be town then it becomes much more balanced. This is our mini game to not lose.

[MathBlade]

Voting myself acts as like a huge “yo wake up Math is town” message that hopefully would snap you out of this tunnel.

[skitter30]

I have to find the townie in you/catboi to win this / convince the townie in you/catboi to vote me to win

I have to solve this minigame to win it

Pedit i'm trying to snap out of it if i am wrong >.>
That isnt the way to do that tho

[catboi]

Ok but like her reads are too bad to look like she's solving either, abd coral looks like she is

Pedit r.e. ffery

that wasn't the point i was making, i meant coral is trying to figure things out, she is just very likely completely backwards on everything in a way that scum rarely are

[skitter30]

I don't understand what you mean by that last sentence

[MathBlade]

I have to find the townie in you/catboi to win this / convince the townie in you/catboi to vote me to win

I have to solve this minigame to win it

Pedit i'm trying to snap out of it if i am wrong >.>
That isnt the way to do that tho

How do you recommend it? The only times I have really seen you change your mind is through other flips and that may not be the best option here. I am kinda trying to reach in the creative ideas bag and it’s so much simpler to assume you’re scum. Help me help you.

[catboi]

nevermind don't worry about it

[catboi]

I have to find the townie in you/catboi to win this / convince the townie in you/catboi to vote me to win

I have to solve this minigame to win it

Pedit i'm trying to snap out of it if i am wrong >.>
That isnt the way to do that tho

How do you recommend it? The only times I have really seen you change your mind is through other flips and that may not be the best option here. I am kinda trying to reach in the creative ideas bag and it’s so much simpler to assume you’re scum. Help me help you.

so is skitter town or what?

[MathBlade]

I have to find the townie in you/catboi to win this / convince the townie in you/catboi to vote me to win

I have to solve this minigame to win it

Pedit i'm trying to snap out of it if i am wrong >.>
That isnt the way to do that tho

How do you recommend it? The only times I have really seen you change your mind is through other flips and that may not be the best option here. I am kinda trying to reach in the creative ideas bag and it’s so much simpler to assume you’re scum. Help me help you.

so is skitter town or what?

I don’t know. I am trying to give Coral the benefit of the doubt here since she’s here posting and absinthe isn’t. Maybe she’s just trying to buddy me given she town reads me and Skitter but isn’t hard pushing you. Maybe that benefit is misplaced in Coral and it’s just Ciral and you like I thought before. But I want to see what shakes out.

[catboi]

okay

[skitter30]

@math like from my pov i don't see why scum-you cant vote yourself, so it doesnt really convince me of everything

And i'm confused why you arent trying to solve/talk to catboi
Like even if you think i'm scum i'm confused ehy you wouldnt try to verify that by making sure you do, indeed, townread the other person

@catboi does math change how you're approaching this minigame at all?

[MathBlade]

@math like from my pov i don't see why scum-you cant vote yourself, so it doesnt really convince me of everything

And i'm confused why you arent trying to solve/talk to catboi
Like even if you think i'm scum i'm confused ehy you wouldnt try to verify that by making sure you do, indeed, townread the other person

@catboi does math change how you're approaching this minigame at all?

Yes scum me can. Scum me CAN do anything.

I am more focused on trying to figure out if you’re town. If you’re town then it’s a matter of digging out that hole.

I focus on triage before investigation.

If I avoid the loss (you never townreading me if you’re town) then can go for the win.

Catboi isn’t screaming “Math is scum” constantly. So if Catboi is the town there’s a possibility they will see I am town and you’re the scum.

If you’re the town it’s “oh fuck”

[skitter30]

i mean tbf that's kinda what i feel like if you're town too
i do want to get there tho >.>

maybe it's easier for me to solve this thru catboi idk
i did strongly think it was prism-town at daystart, just a little worried i was getting snowed

[catboi]

@math like from my pov i don't see why scum-you cant vote yourself, so it doesnt really convince me of everything

And i'm confused why you arent trying to solve/talk to catboi
Like even if you think i'm scum i'm confused ehy you wouldnt try to verify that by making sure you do, indeed, townread the other person

@catboi does math change how you're approaching this minigame at all?

I mean, hm, I don't want to act like I'm shutting him out because that would be rude but...so far his behavior feels like he's trying to sell people on voting him more than assessing our alignments. I also think that if I work from an assumption of absinthe being scum, it points more strongly toward you being town and faker being scum.

[Isis]

You could just have all 3 ppl in keep self vote and resolve the game by one person moving their self vote to another player.

Selfvoting in keep only increases "your risk of winning the game" for both alignments so is harmless

Isn't that how the game works?
It's not that complicated. It's just 3p trust fall