Cosmos Mafia (Postgame)

[MegAzumarill]

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[MegAzumarill]

VC 6.0.6


Ydrasse (2) Meuh, Firebringer [E-4]

Cat Scratch Fever (1) Professotic


Not Voting (7) Everybody Else


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[professotic]

Please chose another wagon.

[professotic]

@Magician vote CSF with me or something.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

@CSF, maybe I’m tired or just lazy but I couldn’t find that T-Bone RR post? Can you link/quote it for me please?

One thing I did get from what I did read is that T-Bone and Prof don’t look aligned.

It was just this part:

16. T-Bone. Vanilla Townie

Spoiler: Minds

First to cast doubt on RR. It actually means a lot. Firebringer missed it for example.
Our minds actually align somewhat.

Fuck this game literally fucking dusks noons and fucking other makes it literally unplayable

I sleep. Will think more tomorrow if not turn insane.

I inferred that it's a TR also based on 7645 and 7654

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Oh i didn't think that was actually your role name

It is.

Well unfortunately that doesn't get me anywhere in my mod metadive

Like how does CSF not know, they have been playing for long enough to know of that role. It’s a known role name.

That's not at all what I was saying

[Magician]

@Magician vote CSF with me or something.

I’m not really

at

that stage where I care about my vote yet, but whatever. Having a competing counterwagon is better for wagonomics.
VOTE: VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

[Cat Scratch Fever]

The margin of victory is getting narrow with 6/7 town needed to lim Lunar (unless solar helps), and the deadline is close-ish. If you think I'm scum, state why. Don't just vote for wagonomics

[Cat Scratch Fever]

This is why I think it’s not Ydrasse. It would seriously weird if scum!Ydrasse was working at cross purposes with her teammates and trying to derail the Mastina wagon by jumping on Scarf.

It just doesn’t make sense. Scum has to be either on Mastina or on any wagon other than Scarf’s. I think both us and Ydrasse are pretty much clear for being on Scarf.

Is this working off the assumption that Scarf is scum?

If not, then I don't get this... if neither mastina nor Scarf are scum (or at the very least, if they're not scum with Ydra), why wouldn't Ydrasse vote Scarf? I don't think scum had any reason to rush a mastina lim at that point, did they?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

In general, I don't know if scum were like "let's go we got to get mastina limmed

right now

" on day 1 at that point.

My read on what was happening day 1 was that louder town like MathBlade was pushing mastina, and some scum jumped on afterwards to ride the momentum that MB and others had created. It was a comfortable wagon for some scum to be on (there's probably another scum on there), but I'd still be surprised if all scum were there.

[T-Bone]

UNVOTE:

T-Bone, penny for your thoughts

What do you want?

OOC: tested positive still not feeling great so haven't back read. I'm basically just reacting in real time from my last two posts.

[Enchant]

VOTE: professotic

Sorry.

[Past Present Future]

This is why I think it’s not Ydrasse. It would seriously weird if scum!Ydrasse was working at cross purposes with her teammates and trying to derail the Mastina wagon by jumping on Scarf.

It just doesn’t make sense. Scum has to be either on Mastina or on any wagon other than Scarf’s. I think both us and Ydrasse are pretty much clear for being on Scarf.

Is this working off the assumption that Scarf is scum?

If not, then I don't get this... if neither mastina nor Scarf are scum (or at the very least, if they're not scum with Ydra), why wouldn't Ydrasse vote Scarf? I don't think scum had any reason to rush a mastina lim at that point, did they?

It’s Occams razor basically. What we know from the D1 reveals are that both factions had a player who if they got elimmed d1, their faction gets vanillaized right? So I think it’s quilte likely that each faction likely hypothesized that the same was true for the opposite faction and because both teams had at least one flipped scum on Mastina, I think they might have possibly assumed that killing her would probably vanillaize the other team.

[Past Present Future]

I still think mastina needs to be the elimination today.

I do not agree with T-Bone (p-edit: Or Yume) that MathBlade isn't getting killed tonight, or at least not that it's guaranteed he doesn't.

But more than that, I'm pretty damn sure we've caught scum, and I don't feel inclined to just let scum walk away on the gamble that we hit another scum instead. Though I do have an inkling of where I'd vote if I must...

Also worth consideration is that if we're right on mastina, and we flip her, we get semi-confirmation that it is six scum we're looking for, and that information is very valuable for hunting potential partners.

Look at how hard RR was advocating for her lim.

[Past Present Future]

I’m saying that it doesn’t make sense for scum!Ydrasse to try to save Mastina. Do you understand my argument now @CSF?

[Past Present Future]

In general, I don't know if scum were like "let's go we got to get mastina limmed

right now

" on day 1 at that point.

My read on what was happening day 1 was that louder town like MathBlade was pushing mastina, and some scum jumped on afterwards to ride the momentum that MB and others had created. It was a comfortable wagon for some scum to be on (there's probably another scum on there), but I'd still be surprised if all scum were there.

I’m saying what makes the most sense is for scum to have been anywhere but on Scarf.

[Past Present Future]

VOTE: professotic

Sorry.

What I’m thinking is if Prof is scum, could possibly explain the no kills nights 1 and 2 but nothing explains why there’s no evidence of anything happening on Night 3 or is my math wrong here? There’s so many phases to keep track of, I get them all mixed up.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

UNVOTE:

T-Bone, penny for your thoughts

What do you want?

OOC: tested positive still not feeling great so haven't back read. I'm basically just reacting in real time from my last two posts.

Do you still think Enchant is scum, and generally who do you think is scum

[Cat Scratch Fever]

This is why I think it’s not Ydrasse. It would seriously weird if scum!Ydrasse was working at cross purposes with her teammates and trying to derail the Mastina wagon by jumping on Scarf.

It just doesn’t make sense. Scum has to be either on Mastina or on any wagon other than Scarf’s. I think both us and Ydrasse are pretty much clear for being on Scarf.

Is this working off the assumption that Scarf is scum?

If not, then I don't get this... if neither mastina nor Scarf are scum (or at the very least, if they're not scum with Ydra), why wouldn't Ydrasse vote Scarf? I don't think scum had any reason to rush a mastina lim at that point, did they?

It’s Occams razor basically. What we know from the D1 reveals are that both factions had a player who if they got elimmed d1, their faction gets vanillaized right? So I think it’s quilte likely that each faction likely hypothesized that the same was true for the opposite faction and because both teams had at least one flipped scum on Mastina, I think they might have possibly assumed that killing her would probably vanillaize the other team.

I don't think I agree... from Scum's perspective, there were probably 11 (17-6 scum = 11) people that could have been "blessed." The odds that mastina just happened to be the blessed person for the other team was quite slim (1/11 = ~9%). I'm also not sure Scum could reasonably conclude that opposing Scum had a blessed person, and even if they did conclude that, that the blessed person was _different_ to their own. It just doesn't seem like the most important thing for Scum to focus on considering how little info they had on this. Was there anything else besides both scum factions piling on mastina that suggested scum thought mastina was blessed?

Like your theory is possible - I don't really have anything to refute it - but I think my take on what was happening in 7692 is more likely:

1. MMR & FA's tiff had ended, and MMR turned onto mastina, spotting an easy push because MB was pushing there & mastina was refusing to cooperate and give more info about her FA metaread for some reason

2. Radical Rat pushed mastina because they genuinely thought she was scum - they had a post where they said they try to push opposing Scum in multiball (2156). I have the general impression that Radical Rat isn't as comfortable lying and mostly tried to push the truth as much as possible.

3. Maid Cafe was just voting the same person as Radical Rat to throw off VCA (they made multiple votes that were next to Rat's on the VCs)

In the Scum!Ydrasse world, the explanation is that Scum wanted to set up a counterwagon to mastina on Scarf

[Past Present Future]

Spoiler:

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This is why I think it’s not Ydrasse. It would seriously weird if scum!Ydrasse was working at cross purposes with her teammates and trying to derail the Mastina wagon by jumping on Scarf.

It just doesn’t make sense. Scum has to be either on Mastina or on any wagon other than Scarf’s. I think both us and Ydrasse are pretty much clear for being on Scarf.

Is this working off the assumption that Scarf is scum?

If not, then I don't get this... if neither mastina nor Scarf are scum (or at the very least, if they're not scum with Ydra), why wouldn't Ydrasse vote Scarf? I don't think scum had any reason to rush a mastina lim at that point, did they?

It’s Occams razor basically. What we know from the D1 reveals are that both factions had a player who if they got elimmed d1, their faction gets vanillaized right? So I think it’s quilte likely that each faction likely hypothesized that the same was true for the opposite faction and because both teams had at least one flipped scum on Mastina, I think they might have possibly assumed that killing her would probably vanillaize the other team.

I don't think I agree... from Scum's perspective, there were probably 11 (17-6 scum = 11) people that could have been "blessed." The odds that mastina just happened to be the blessed person for the other team was quite slim (1/11 = ~9%). I'm also not sure Scum could reasonably conclude that opposing Scum had a blessed person, and even if they did conclude that, that the blessed person was _different_ to their own. It just doesn't seem like the most important thing for Scum to focus on considering how little info they had on this. Was there anything else besides both scum factions piling on mastina that suggested scum thought mastina was blessed?

Like your theory is possible - I don't really have anything to refute it - but I think my take on what was happening in 7692 is more likely:

1. MMR & FA's tiff had ended, and MMR turned onto mastina, spotting an easy push because MB was pushing there & mastina was refusing to cooperate and give more info about her FA metaread for some reason

2. Radical Rat pushed mastina because they genuinely thought she was scum - they had a post where they said they try to push opposing Scum in multiball (2156).

I have the general impression that Radical Rat isn't as comfortable lying and mostly tried to push the truth as much as possible.

3. Maid Cafe was just voting the same person as Radical Rat to throw off VCA (they made multiple votes that were next to Rat's on the VCs)

In the Scum!Ydrasse world, the explanation is that Scum wanted to set up a counterwagon to mastina on Scarf

You are basing the bolded on what exactly? Can you link/quote any RR scumgames that show they aren’t likely to lie as scum? Because that isn’t my experience.

[professotic]

VOTE: professotic

Sorry.

I’m town bro.

[professotic]

The margin of victory is getting narrow with 6/7 town needed to lim Lunar (unless solar helps), and the deadline is close-ish. If you think I'm scum, state why. Don't just vote for wagonomics

@Enchant

I’m not the only one thinking there is 3 Solar and 3 Lunar, as shown here.

[Firebringer]

but i receive my towncred yea?

sure enchant, u been a good boy and i will give u free town cred as ur reward.

[Enchant]

VOTE: professotic

Sorry.

What I’m thinking is if Prof is scum, could possibly explain the no kills nights 1 and 2 but nothing explains why there’s no evidence of anything happening on Night 3 or is my math wrong here? There’s so many phases to keep track of, I get them all mixed up.

I don't understand

[Past Present Future]

Btw for obvious reasons, I didn't want to say this out loud, but fuckit, sure, why not.


Another reason (as if I needed more) that I think that MathBlade is scum is because of his role breadcrumbs.

Obviously, I could be wrong about what he's breadcrumbing.

But it looks to me like he's breadcrumbing a role that is basically my role.
Obviously, I could be off-base. Mistaken entirely about what role he is hinting to have.

But if I wasn’t phoneposting from work, I could pull up the post from him that looks to me like he's claiming my role.

Suffice to say, I have zero interest in claiming today (the NUMEROUS breadcrumbs I've given already should be plenty sufficient for when I do claim), but when I eventually do claim, I'll point out the MathBlade posts which made me think that he's trying to claim what's essentially my role.

By virtue of it BEING my role, naturally, I don’t think that him having it would be town. And this isn’t a case of mirror roles, either.

But for obvious reasons, I shouldn't elaborate further. Even this much is arguably too much.

Still haven't read, every time I try my brain just loses focus and I end up doing something else.

I do want to address this post though, because I think it's a big one. I said earlier the impression I got from the brief bit of mastina vs. MathBlade I saw was that they both believed what they were saying and were pushing in earnest, making them either both Town, or opposing scum factions.

And now mastina's saying she thinks MathBlade's role is her role

.... And that sounds to me like opposing scum factions. Makes sense that with two scum groups, they'd each have similar abilities to balance each other. Whereas giving two Townies the same role is much less likely. And I can't imagine scum just HAPPENS to pick a fakeclaim in a Theme with nonstandard roles that matches a real role Town has.

I'm not voting again until I've read properly, but I would prefer Mastina first because even if she's wrong about MathBlade's role, I think this logic is coming from a scum perspective.

Still think I’m wrong here @CSF? This reads like RR did think Mastina was Mathblade equivalent.