Open 869 | Fight for the Winter Court [Game Over!]

[Chara]

Chara wanting you & Faker to take a break reminds me of how it tried to make peace between my hydra and LLD.

do you think that's an AI behavior? Faker is my friend as well.

That's been evident to me!

The main difference I saw is that there's a lot more warmth to your peacemaking here. Is that AI? I'm not ready to try and figure that out. I haven't read carefully through that part of the thread yet, but I'm closing in.

i was trying to see what we had last spoken about, absinthe, and i saw it was here.
i do go for the "peacemaking" as scum in an attempt to replicate my town meta. as town i tend to let my emotions show more and have sometimes gotten more personal than i should have in a game (i'm not including this instance in that, for the record) while as scum i am pretty uncomfortable with doing so. it does still happen as these peacemaking attempts tend to have little to do with game events and more to do with disliking toxicity in games in general. if i call out behavior as scum in a "you need to stop" sense it's always my honest opinion, and only a tactic in that i'd often do the same thing as town.

i'd also rather not go over this part of the game any more than that, so i'd appreciate if you went through other avenues to read/play around me. but i understand it is game content so i won't be mad if you do choose to use it in the game given i've expounded... expanded? on it here.

[Chara]

catboi: i'm still very curious about your reads on absinthe and Coral. i know you scumread Coral, do you townread absinthe? and if yes, why? if you've already talked about it i'd appreciate a rehashing.

i think we're all agreed on flipping Gate first, so i'd like to focus in there. i know i haven't been shy about my scumread on you, you haven't really engaged with it, but i don't have a vote there so my opinion is only an opinion. still i do value your reads.

[absinthe]

Chara wanting you & Faker to take a break reminds me of how it tried to make peace between my hydra and LLD.

do you think that's an AI behavior? Faker is my friend as well.

That's been evident to me!

The main difference I saw is that there's a lot more warmth to your peacemaking here. Is that AI? I'm not ready to try and figure that out. I haven't read carefully through that part of the thread yet, but I'm closing in.

i was trying to see what we had last spoken about, absinthe, and i saw it was here.
i do go for the "peacemaking" as scum in an attempt to replicate my town meta. as town i tend to let my emotions show more and have sometimes gotten more personal than i should have in a game (i'm not including this instance in that, for the record) while as scum i am pretty uncomfortable with doing so. it does still happen as these peacemaking attempts tend to have little to do with game events and more to do with disliking toxicity in games in general. if i call out behavior as scum in a "you need to stop" sense it's always my honest opinion, and only a tactic in that i'd often do the same thing as town.

i'd also rather not go over this part of the game any more than that, so i'd appreciate if you went through other avenues to read/play around me. but i understand it is game content so i won't be mad if you do choose to use it in the game given i've expounded... expanded? on it here.

I'm ok with leaving it be. I'm not sure what more I'd get from further discussion.

earlier in the game I called your tone confident and assertive, which was at the point on day 1 where you appeared to be giving me a really easy townread, when actually you wanted to see my reaction to the read. shortly after that Tammy said you seemed comfortable. And I think you also said something about feeling comfortable and liking the game.

I thought you were more comfortable (heh) with "comfortable" than the terms I'd used. I keep chewing on this but I don't know if it's a marker for either alignment for you. Tammy said you felt town for that, though.

[Coral]

2115 is eh, Coral. absinthe picking that to respond to is really not AI, there are a million reasons she could have decided to voice her agreement there, and it's right on this page.

but you're in a position where she's confscum to you, so... ahaha.

have you talked about where you are on me and Isis? and Herta.

maybe I wasn't clear enough, but I wasn't saying it was AI for absinthe. I was saying that my initial reaction on seeing it was to briefly doubt if catboi was scum, because confirmed scum (from my perspective) was acting comfortable with him being the voter. After thinking about it more I decided it was probably more likely to be intentionally provoking that reaction. Me saying I was tunneled was referring to being tunneled on catboi scum, not on absinthe scum.

It may not be that useful of a consideration to anyone who doesn't have the same perspective as I have of her alignment being confirmed and seeing everything from the lens of "what is her scum goal with this post?".

If I were forced to vote Wall at this exact moment I would probably vote Herta but I would rather not have to make a choice there yet.

[MathBlade]

Did Chara just do a ton of pages of stock in Waffle House?

Eg with me specifically “Math seems like he’s in his town meta but it’s fakeable so wait and see if he’s informed”

Non stance stances suck.

Can anyone explain why they townread it? I don’t understand.

I don’t like how everyone but Chara ignored this.

[skitter30]

your pov is missing context.

Regarding the keep, because you thought you'd be townread? You keep reiterating that you want to be voted, not to vote.

Said this a lot, i think this was actually the worst possible keep for me

And yeah it's strictly better from my pov to be voted (as either alignment), why is it more likely to come from scum-me than town-me

[skitter30]

Did Chara just do a ton of pages of stock in Waffle House?

Eg with me specifically “Math seems like he’s in his town meta but it’s fakeable so wait and see if he’s informed”

Non stance stances suck.

Can anyone explain why they townread it? I don’t understand.

I don’t like how everyone but Chara ignored this.

Ok, and like what does that imply for you ?

I'm getting increasingly sus of math

[MathBlade]

Did Chara just do a ton of pages of stock in Waffle House?

Eg with me specifically “Math seems like he’s in his town meta but it’s fakeable so wait and see if he’s informed”

Non stance stances suck.

Can anyone explain why they townread it? I don’t understand.

I don’t like how everyone but Chara ignored this.

Ok, and like what does that imply for you ?

I'm getting increasingly sus of math

I don’t have a conclusion yet.

And yes, you’ve been “sus” of me saying I am scum but now I am “increasingly” sus, what’s next I am “incrementally” sus? (This is sarcasm. This feels fake to me)

[MathBlade]

What I can tell is that when people ignore me there’s usually a reason so I need to find that catalyst. In that there’s the reason.

[skitter30]

You're making a lot of vague statements abt rhe gamestate with little conclusion and i don't feel like you're trying to solve or sort our minigame tbh

[MathBlade]

You're making a lot of vague statements abt rhe gamestate with little conclusion and i don't feel like you're trying to solve or sort our minigame tbh

I already said my thoughts are best spent elsewhere. So I mean I am doing what I said I would?

[skitter30]

What I can tell is that when people ignore me there’s usually a reason so I need to find that catalyst. In that there’s the reason.

If a question isnt directed at someone in particular people might just ignore it. I don't think it has any broader implications and it's reach-y that you're trying to create some

[MathBlade]

Why waste my time on things I can’t control?

Either I get voted or I don’t.

Regardless I want to solve the other two so my reads remain.

Denying me reads (or spew if you think I am scum) is anti town.

Keeping focus on my game seems rather pointless.

If you and I are both town you’ll either have to break and vote me or catboi scum has to vote one of us and we hammer.

If you’re scum then it’s Catboi has to see me town.

Literally trying to solve you both is pointless.

[MathBlade]

What I can tell is that when people ignore me there’s usually a reason so I need to find that catalyst. In that there’s the reason.

If a question isnt directed at someone in particular people might just ignore it. I don't think it has any broader implications and it's reach-y that you're trying to create some

Nah. I don’t think so considering some other points. Want to talk about reach that post is.

I gotta work now sads

But keep trying to paint me as scummy I guess?

[Ydrasse]

Replacing Herta.

[Isis]

Read over the last few pages.
I don't think Math's barometer on Chara's decisiveness is accurate for Chara, but it looks like a sorting effort, I don't really follow skitter's "wrong therefore scum assessment".
I'm uncomfortable with skitter's posting about being voted. Yes technically it's optimal no matter what, but there's different manners of acknowledging that. It's more like she's putting forth a proposition and insisting everyone accept that proposition or reject it rather than mentioning she'd like to be voted every time she remembers little things she townreads about her primary keep scumread.

[Chara]

i agree with Isis! and not just because she snuck a neutral defense of me in there. Math going for gamestate reads based on posts like that is familiar for his solving pattern, imo.

absinthe: don't have much to say, just acknowledging your reply. i'd agree about being comfortable earlier, not so much now. being comfortable = being more decisive, possibly?

[Coral]

In a vacuum I would say that skitter's approach feels more to me like town who is uninformed and is working off the one piece of information she has (Keep is won by voting town -> I am town -> I should be voted) without much concern for whether it will get her townread or not.

In this specific gamestate, I think it would be fairly likely to end up working and getting her voted if she's scum, so I don't think it's very clearing.

It does seem risky to swap into this Keep and just hope that catboi and faker won't be able to find each other eventually, but maybe on seeing how their argument was playing out, she decided to take advantage by just waiting for one of them to vote her.

That concern is why I prefer Math to be voted. I still lean skitter town, but I think both the swap and her play line up close enough to what could be a winning strategy as scum that I have a bit of worry.

[Coral]

I would think there would be a change in strategy once Math comes in, though. I don't think her approach to him is at all likely to make him vote her and I think she would know that.

[MathBlade]

I would think there would be a change in strategy once Math comes in, though. I don't think her approach to him is at all likely to make him vote her and I think she would know that.

This. I asked her about this and the answer was pretty unsatisfactory. Then she tries to push me as scummy for doing the things I said I would do. If she thought that scummy the time to bring it up was then.

I feel like Skitter is trying to perform town vs being town.

[Coral]

Especially the initial reaction of just being visibly frustrated with him seems counterproductive, since I think the replacement in a town!catboi, town!math world would allow catboi to potentially reset and reassess the situation.

[Coral]

I would think there would be a change in strategy once Math comes in, though. I don't think her approach to him is at all likely to make him vote her and I think she would know that.

This. I asked her about this and the answer was pretty unsatisfactory. Then she tries to push me as scummy for doing the things I said I would do. If she thought that scummy the time to bring it up was then.

I feel like Skitter is trying to perform town vs being town.

You're saying "this" to a point about why I think she's town and using it to say she's scum.

I think as scum she would be capable of avoiding antagonizing you and would recognize it as necessary.

[MathBlade]

I would think there would be a change in strategy once Math comes in, though. I don't think her approach to him is at all likely to make him vote her and I think she would know that.

This. I asked her about this and the answer was pretty unsatisfactory. Then she tries to push me as scummy for doing the things I said I would do. If she thought that scummy the time to bring it up was then.

I feel like Skitter is trying to perform town vs being town.

You're saying "this" to a point about why I think she's town and using it to say she's scum.

I think as scum she would be capable of avoiding antagonizing you and would recognize it as necessary.

I think we see the same reasoning and reach a different conclusion.

I think town!Skitter would want me to vote her. I think her approach isn’t going to make me vote her. I think that’s because she’s not town skitter so she’s not taking a town approach.

[skitter30]

I'm really starting to doubt math is town here. I don't think he's solving, i think he's decided it's convenient to call me scummy and is now appealing to others to try to justify it, and isnt really doing much else. He's saying it's to solve the other two games but imo he hasnt really sone much to solve either

Like i couldnt tell you who he thinks is scum in either of the other two, can anyone else ?

And from my pov:
- it's strictly optimal to vote me, esp. if i'm unconfidant in either of the other two
-> i understand why people think this is scummy but for me to be scum here i decided to swap myself into keep (with two players i don't know how to read) and decide my best strategy is to just insist that the other two vote me, and keep insisting that through a replacement
- which is just, like, why ? .there's many easier ways to win a minigame than for scum-me to pick this fight
- and idk why i'm still bugging math, i should be buddying him here if i'm scum, not continuing to anatgonize him

[skitter30]

I think town!Skitter would want me to vote her. I think her approach isn’t going to make me vote her. I think that’s because she’s not town skitter so she’s not taking a town approach.

Doesnt scum-me want this to? Why is this ai in either direction