i designed this setup in 2019 [game over]

[Gamma Emerald]

@ythan

who are your top 5 suspects rn?

[Ythan]

I don't have five suspects because I've been deliberately tilted out of giving a shit about this game. Hold on I'll address that.

[Ranger]

Speaking of, Ranger, I'm reminding you about the Gamma meta links.

Next post.

b) I would feel bold enough to go toe-to-toe with Frog as scum here and feel like I could come out relatively unscathed. Clearly you don’t believe a), so what about my play so far suggests b) to be true?

You want me to answer that right here right now?

There is a

quite

compelling reason to suggest you'd be bold enough to do precisely that. One you and I are both quite aware of.

we don't have a deadline. why are we rushing to eliminate someone when the case on them is this flimsy?

If I were rushing, I'd be actively campaigning for players to join me in my vote.

I'm making cases because I believe my reads are quite good, but my reads are weak enough that I'm easily swayed by any argument I vibe with.

ranger's extreme whining/fabrication/ought to know better.

In {Titus, Ranger}, I am not the one fabricating anything. Nor am I the one who ought to know better.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Ythan
I don’t really townread her like I did before, in fact she feels similar to one of her scum games rn

[Ranger]

Speaking of, Ranger, I'm reminding you about the Gamma meta links.

Any post not listed is either null or town. (As a reminder, I do see town in there.)
To present the scum half; 43 felt forced. This was andree's iso at the time; Gamma liked andree and nobody else? She had reads on andree and nobody else? 117/196 is a scum "I am not going to do This Thing" post. 146 forced bravado. 151 felt suspect. 192 as well. Projection. 232.
Reaction to vote on her was poor. 278 is a lot more forced than the Princess equivalent.
296 was too weak of a response, and lacked emotion; a town Gamma should've reacted to it. 327 felt out-of-place. 330's defense of imaginality is out of place given 296 prior. 340 felt unnatural. 355 felt too subdued. 436 feels fake. 460 is a scum-oriented thought, at least like that. (Town would try to resolve the conflict in read vs wagon reads.) She also doesn't specify which names on the wagon are what, the very same thing imaginality didn't do. Hated 466.

As a reminder, this is only the scum half; if you want, I can point out the townier things which weaken the scumread there. But she's still south of null for me.

[Ranger]

I don’t understand how she can both townread Titus and still think she’s somehow being less than honest?

Because I know how Titus operates intimately and a town Titus being less than honest is explicitly par for the course.

literally who is rushing to eliminate besides maybe Ranger (and even then her vote might change)?

You're not the first to suggest I'm rushing to eliminate.

Where's the narrative come from?

I'm certainly making a case as to why we shouldn't let imaginality coast on a claim I don't believe is true, but that's far from rushing the day through. My reads will change, especially when given compelling (counter-)arguments.

And, yes, my vote may indeed change.

{Save The Dragons, HighPrincessErinys, Cat Scratch Fever, Frogsterking}
{Titus}
{Morning Tweet, Lycanfire, tris}
{KittyTacky, Elements}
{GeorgeBailey, Enchant, McMenno}
{kitten around}
{Vaxkiller, tapiocaphobe, Not_Mafia}
{Ythan}
{furtiveglance}
{Gamma Emerald}
{Quiet Owl}
{imaginality}

[HighPrincessErinys]

Yeah, Ythan is scummy to this one but not really for most of Frog's reasons. Still strongly disagree that 62 is scummy, but again Ythan's ISO as a whole is, and perhaps her tone too, though it doesn't take scum to shade.

Yeah this one is trying to see where it stands on imaginality/Frog/Titus but this topic as a whole is a little hard to follow, honestly. Rethinking is in order, for sure.

Then help sort these three instead:

@all I have three slots that need to be seriously considered as candidates for the D1 lim:

Ythan

, furtive and George.

As for furtive and George, we'll cross off George for now because his posts are both old and not really AI, maybe a very faint townlean, but mostly blank unless you want to call him a lurker.

furtive, however, has a bit more to chew on. This one doesn't like Frogster including 51 in his "wagonomics" post but the rest of the non-committal thing

was

a weird, pedantic little conversation. Furtive's big wall is kind of, so-so in general with some good points and some bad points but his ISO overall feels... meh. Mostly because he only has 19 posts to his name, a decent slice of which are that non-committal bit. Going to say a neutral to minor scumlean for now.

So, that leaves us with the only slot of the 3 this one really feels anything conclusive about right now: VOTE: Ythan!

[Ranger]

I am 100% functionally a mason. Neighbor with mod confirmation that my neighbor is town. Yes. That's a mason. Imaginality has the same thing.

I believe this is certainly closer to true, but it's still not the truth.

{Save The Dragons, HighPrincessErinys, Cat Scratch Fever, Frogsterking}
{Titus}
{Morning Tweet, Lycanfire, tris, Elements}
{KittyTacky, Enchant}
{McMenno, kitten around}
{GeorgeBailey}
{Vaxkiller, tapiocaphobe, Not_Mafia}
{Ythan}
{furtiveglance}
{Gamma Emerald}
{Quiet Owl}
{imaginality}

[kitten around]

I don’t understand how she can both townread Titus and still think she’s somehow being less than honest?

Because I know how Titus operates intimately and a town Titus being less than honest is explicitly par for the course.

literally who is rushing to eliminate besides maybe Ranger (and even then her vote might change)?

You're not the first to suggest I'm rushing to eliminate.

Where's the narrative come from?

I'm certainly making a case as to why we shouldn't let imaginality coast on a claim I don't believe is true, but that's far from rushing the day through. My reads will change, especially when given compelling (counter-)arguments.

And, yes, my vote may indeed change.

{Save The Dragons, HighPrincessErinys, Cat Scratch Fever, Frogsterking}
{Titus}
{Morning Tweet, Lycanfire, tris}
{KittyTacky, Elements}
{GeorgeBailey, Enchant, McMenno}
{kitten around}
{Vaxkiller, tapiocaphobe, Not_Mafia}
{Ythan}
{furtiveglance}
{Gamma Emerald}
{Quiet Owl}
{imaginality}

Ranger explain to me how you have Titus so high but not believing her claim? If you strongly townread her and she’s saying Imaginality is mod confirmed town, why aren’t you believing her?

Also mod, please prod Vaxkiller, tapocaphobe and Not_Mafia

[kitten around]

Frogster appeal on activity for some reason make him trustworthy

I think he sounds really frustrated here, so I lean town.

[Ranger]

that Pokemon Mafia game really left some scars, hey?

Since you bring that game up, as a reminder you were scum that game and your play this game is identical.

Ranger and Frogsterking objections make no sense and they keep trying to cast doubt.

My

objections

are I don't townread imaginality by play; I hard-scumread imaginality by play; I

know

how you operate and know the claim is fake.

If my read were so much as

neutral

on imaginality I'd let you do what you're doing. I know the benefit behind your method of operation. But you're protecting scum, so instead of any possible protown benefit, it's explicitly antitown.

If you want to convince me imaginality is town, then do so with his play. Nobody's tried yet, because wouldn't you know? He isn't town by play.

If he truly

were

conftown to you, then you'd be biased in seeing everything in his play as being town, which would make towncasing him easy. By knowing he's town, you'd know why his actions were town and be able to argue this.

But you can't do that, can you?

[Ranger]

Ranger explain to me how you have Titus so high but not believing her claim? If you strongly townread her and she’s saying Imaginality is mod confirmed town, why aren’t you believing her?

I don't believe the claim, but I believe her making the claim makes her town. Town players can and do lie and I explicitly believe Titus is a town liar.

I could be wrong about Titus being town;
I could be wrong about Titus being a liar.

But my belief is Titus is town, lying, because that is what past experience with Titus suggests.

[Ranger]

VOTE: Quiet Owl

I can support this.

I'd also support {Gamma Emerald, furtiveglance, Ythan} votes. In that order of preference.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VOTE: Ythan

[kitten around]

VOTE: Ythan

I lean the opposite way that McMenno does, I feel like Ythan zeroed in on something thaat wasnt frog's central point. I think frog is using the activity stuff in order to confirm what he already thinks, as opposed to using it to make the reads in the first place.

Granted though that it's a stretch to say "Scum post a lot except when they don't" to confirm both scum that post a lot and don't post a lot LMFAO. Plus I skimmed and Frog and Ythan have been on each other's casesa ll game. I'm talking myself out of this

Spoiler: examples

Here's the scum post from a previous game which Ythan's 62 pinged me for:

viewtopic.php?p=13548554#p13548554

Huh?? Are you talking about the capitalization?

Excuse me

I feel like the capitalization helped me to draw the connection and the underlying pattern is shade posted in the format of a question with feigned conviction.

Oh.

VOTE: Frogsterking

I kind of skimmed the last few paegs I don't think frogsterking is looking that great here

VOTE: frogsterking

I agree with this. Not much else to go on here but the weird claim but whatever for right now.

Friend you are blinded by your love of frogs.

Yeah enjoy rope lol.

In case anyone is getting burned out trying to read the thread just skip Gamma's posts, they're all intentionally full of shit to waste your time.

I think you might be projecting here.

Really fake and unnatural sorting.

Keep crying

And that's not even half of it

On one hand it makes more sense now that Ythan isn't really directly engaging with Frog, we're kind of past that. On the other it is really hard to find content that isn't Ythan reacting to Frog saying something she finds ridiculous. Which could potentially be an easy way to interact with the game as scum, or potentially she's tunnelled

this interaction with furtive is one of the only interactions that dont involve frog

Spoiler:

@furtive

what do you make of the current gamestate?

Quite chaotic. This is the largest game I've played in (from the start) and I think the usually underrated art of sheeping will be very important, otherwise Mafia could really run riot.

With this in mind,

VOTE: imaginality

That looks like a lot of words to justify a non committal vote.

It goes on longer but essentially Ythan interpreted 328 as a lot of words meaning nothing, whereas furtive argued that it did mean something, it meant that he was sheeping a townread. no opinion

I don't like Ythan's reaction to being wagoned by ele, I'll leave my vote

I see your point. She said she’d catch-up, so I’m going to wait for that.

[Ranger]

This is truly literally idiotic.

No, the theory is sound, and applies in practice to most games including this one.

The exact application you can disagree with, but the theory isn't idiotic. Town are disproportionately active; scum are disproportionately lurky; there are still inactive town; there are still active scum; killing lower-activity slots still hits scum more often than not. It all holds true.

{Save The Dragons, HighPrincessErinys, Cat Scratch Fever, Frogsterking}
{Morning Tweet, Lycanfire, tris}
{Titus}
{KittyTacky, Elements}
{GeorgeBailey, Enchant, McMenno}
{kitten around}
{Vaxkiller, tapiocaphobe, Not_Mafia}
{Ythan}
{furtiveglance}
{Gamma Emerald}
{Quiet Owl}
{imaginality}

[Ranger]

I don't have five suspects because I've been deliberately tilted out of giving a shit about this game. Hold on I'll address that.

While this is easily enough faked, I feel this makes Ythan more likely town. Reneging my support of Ythan wagon because I actually believe she's tilted town.

{Save The Dragons, HighPrincessErinys, Cat Scratch Fever, Frogsterking}
{Morning Tweet, Lycanfire, tris}
{Titus}
{KittyTacky, Elements}
{GeorgeBailey, Enchant, McMenno}
{kitten around}
{Ythan}
{Vaxkiller, tapiocaphobe, Not_Mafia}
{furtiveglance}
{Gamma Emerald}
{Quiet Owl}
{imaginality}

[Korina]

Ythan has requested replacement.

Vaxkiller and tapiocaphobe have not posted in the game-thread since this post and are being replaced.

Combined Mod ISO

[Cat Scratch Fever]

literally who is rushing to eliminate besides maybe Ranger (and even then her vote might change)?

You're not the first to suggest I'm rushing to eliminate.

Where's the narrative come from?

I'm certainly making a case as to why we shouldn't let imaginality coast on a claim I don't believe is true, but that's far from rushing the day through. My reads will change, especially when given compelling (counter-)arguments.

And, yes, my vote may indeed change.

622 was in response to Quiet Owl's 595, who said we were "rushing to eliminate imaginality." Here, I was arguing that we weren't rushing to eliminate imaginality, and I was not sure how anyone could possibly have that take. However if I were to be charitable towards Quiet Owl's post,

maybe you

were "rushing to eliminate" from Owl's perspective.

[McMenno]

Frogster appeal on activity for some reason make him trustworthy

this is mediocre, scumleaning Enchant

this Ythan wagon is bad as hell, shame about the replacement too

I still want to get Frogster today... out of Ranger's suggestions earlier I could be down with furtive and I don't want Ythan's slot gone

[xyzzy]

votecount 1.11

since vote count 1.10 was edited into the post, you probably didn't see the flavor text to that one. you may check it now if you'd like, or you can not bother if you'd prefer. no sweat either way

6 players voting for Frogsterking (McMenno, Ythan, KittyTacky, imaginality, Titus, furtiveglance)
6 players voting for Ythan (Elements, Save The Dragons, Morning Tweet, Gamma Emerald, HighPrincessErinys, Cat Scratch Fever)
2 players voting for furtiveglance (tris, Frogsterking)
1 player voting for imaginality (Ranger)
1 player voting for Ranger (Quiet Owl)
1 player voting for Not_Mafia (Not_Mafia)

6 players not voting (Vaxkiller, tapiocaphobe, kitten around, Enchant, GeorgeBailey, Lycanfire)

with 23 votes, it takes 12 to eliminate.

mod notes: prodding GeorgeBailey and Not_Mafia.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

With 4 pending replacement slots, it's probably going to be a while before we get a new Ythan. Back to this:

VOTE: Quiet Owl

I could be swayed onto furtive, but with my tris read kind of dropping before she replaced out, I'm not sure he is actually scum.

[Frogsterking]

I think we should all claim Naughty or Nice, because for whoever is Town, Santa just showed up Twice

Furtive/Quiet Owl/

Ythan

/

George

(seems like we gonna wait on George)

Town slots need to stick together in this setup I think. We can wagon Furtive, Quiet Owl, or put McMenno and/or kittens on the table.

With 4 pending replacement slots, it's probably going to be a while before we get a new Ythan. Back to this:

VOTE: Quiet Owl

I could be swayed onto furtive, but with my tris read kind of dropping before she replaced out, I'm not sure he is actually scum.

VOTE: Quiet Owl

I think furtive is a good vote too.

[Frogsterking]

my theories at the moment:
- frog is town, cat scratch is scum
- this is a multiball setup, and they're both scum

I'm pretty sure now that this

is

a multiball setup, and I want to know whatever Quiet Owl knows

[Titus]

Ranger, no one is going to towncase imaginality. That's not how it works. I'm not spending my time arguing about things I know to be true. It helps precisely no one. Casing someone means being open to feedback and I'm well NOT.

To keep your scumread on imaginality, you have floated through every possible scenario and ignored Frogsterking's behavior because it happens to agree with you. With all due respect, grow the fuck up. Move on if you're town.