i designed this setup in 2019 [game over]

[Frogsterking]

That lasted all of 5 seconds.

Ranger have you realized Titus is role phishing you yet?

[Frogsterking]

I'm guessing furtive and Owl belong to the same faction. Any rivals want to help give them the boot?

[Quiet Owl]

VOTECOUNT

6 players voting for Frogsterking (McMenno, Ythan, KittyTacky, imaginality, Titus, furtiveglance)
4 players voting for Ythan (Save The Dragons, Morning Tweet, Gamma Emerald, HighPrincessErinys)
4 players voting for Quiet Owl (Cat Scratch Fever, Frogsterking, Elements, Ranger)
1 players voting for furtiveglance (tris)
1 player voting for Ranger (Quiet Owl)
1 player voting for Not_Mafia (Not_Mafia)

the only reason i'm not switching my vote to frog right now is because i am well aware that i am being pressured. so i'm going to do the evaluation that i should have done ages ago, and then decide from there.

You have nothing to offer me Owl unless you're willing to help kill furtive.

what a transparent attempt at intimidation.

[Gamma Emerald]

With 4 pending replacement slots, it's probably going to be a while before we get a new Ythan. Back to this:

VOTE: Quiet Owl

I could be swayed onto furtive, but with my tris read kind of dropping before she replaced out, I'm not sure he is actually scum.

I find this thought process wildly incongruous. Atp why not just cut the chaff and stay on Ythan?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

because a wagon on an empty slot is not going to be useful. There's no info to squeeze out of Ythan because she's not here...

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Frogster appeal on activity for some reason make him trustworthy

this is mediocre, scumleaning Enchant

this Ythan wagon is bad as hell, shame about the replacement too

I still want to get Frogster today... out of Ranger's suggestions earlier I could be down with furtive and I don't want Ythan's slot gone

Agreeing with quite a few of McMenno's reads actually (Frogster/Enchant to be precise). They could just be Town with a style that I scumread, the alternative is a Town!Frogsterking world which is theoretically possible, but right now I see this Ythan wagon as an effort to save Frogsterking pushed by Mafia.

Do you always do these pre-flip reads?

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[Gamma Emerald]

because a wagon on an empty slot is not going to be useful. There's no info to squeeze out of Ythan because she's not here...

Atp I’m ready to end the damn day, idgaf about squeezing out info

[Frogsterking]

CSF. Please. Stop. Being. Susceptible. To. Gamma. Radiation.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Ythan also isn't here to claim, and I'm not going to lim her without that. Vaxkiller & tapiocaphobe both also need to post something

@Frog, I'm not. I think my arguments will appeal to others on the Ythan wagon too, maybe

[Ranger]

Ranger, no one is going to towncase imaginality. That's not how it works. I'm not spending my time arguing about things I know to be true. It helps precisely no one. Casing someone means being open to feedback and I'm well NOT.

Cases are to make an argument.

A case is presenting a viewpoint.

A case CAN be simply gathering your beliefs and opening them up to criticism (what you're saying is a case) but I'll bet you most players don’t share that definition, and would instead say the primary purpose of a case is to

convince

players on a read, by presenting the reasons for the read to be true.

If imaginality was truly conftown to you, you wouldn't have needed to use exclusively breadcrumbs of masonry to defend him from the Suspicion.
You would have seen the merits by which he was town, and been able to argue his towniness from your lens of knowing he is town. You would still breadcrumb, but you wouldn’t rely exclusively on breadcrumbs to defend him.

You didn’t, because he's not actually conftown to you and you know it. You didn’t see his posts through the lens of

knowing

he's town and the resulting knowledge letting you see how his posts are town. If you saw so much as a single thing not role related to townread him by, you'd have pointed it out when defending him, with the breadcrumbs as secondary.

Instead, you instantly defaulted to relying exclusively on breadcrumbs to try and avert the wagon on him, because you can't see him as town off of play due to him not being conftown.

I know I'm right and you know I'm right. You might be frustrated by me ruining your gambit, but I am frustrated by your gambit

protecting scum

.

To keep your scumread on imaginality, you have floated through every possible scenario and ignored Frogsterking's behavior because it happens to agree with you.

I have kept my scumread on imaginality for one simple reason:
He doesn’t look town by play;
He looks like scum by play;
Nobody has given me any reason to think differently;
I know you and your methods so I know you're not being truthful.

If you presented a play-based reason for him to be town, I genuinely wouldn't have outed the breadcrumbs in the first place, because I would've believed you. But you didn’t. You relied exclusively on breadcrumbing role, and that told me more than you wanted it to. It told me you were gambiting with a fakeclaim of imaginality being conftown, and you wanted pressure off of him because you genuinely believe your roles make him town.

If I had any reason at all to think imaginality wasn’t scum, I'd let you do your thing. But he

is

scum, no matter how much you believe otherwise, so letting you do your thing is simply too dangerous for the town.

Forgot to address Frogsterking.

My reads on imaginality and Frogsterking aren’t linked.

I strongly believe Frogsterking is town; I believe imaginality is scum.

If need be, I can case Frogsterking's towniness. Meanwhile, I'll simply say I'm

certainly

not convinced by any of the scumcases on him. If asked, I'll specify why on the specified case.

[Ranger]

Ranger, no one is going to towncase imaginality. That's not how it works. I'm not spending my time arguing about things I know to be true. It helps precisely no one. Casing someone means being open to feedback and I'm well NOT.

To keep your scumread on imaginality, you have floated through every possible scenario and ignored Frogsterking's behavior because it happens to agree with you. With all due respect, grow the fuck up. Move on if you're town.

I don't know what to tell you Ranger but you need to stop getting tilted by Titus, this is scum!Titus lol

I still can't see why she'd do this as scum, sorry.

[Ranger]

Do you want to explain why you only voted Titus after Ranger did (post-Mason claim)?

I never voted Titus.

[Lycanfire]

Wanting to eliminate the claimed mason if really dragging down my morale here, Ranger.

[Lycanfire]

is*

[Ranger]

Can I just point out {Frog, CSF, Ranger} KEEP VOTING TOGETHER?

Players who townread each other and who share reads with others tend to do that.

I've no issues voting along-side my strongest townreads. Least of all, when I agree with their votes.

[Ranger]

Ranger have you realized Titus is role phishing you yet?

I don’t see how???

[Ranger]

Wanting to eliminate the claimed mason is really dragging down my morale here, Ranger.

I'm currently voting elsewhere.

I'll return if I see reason to, but I see no reason to needlessly waste my vote there despite my read.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Frogster appeal on activity for some reason make him trustworthy

this is mediocre, scumleaning Enchant

this Ythan wagon is bad as hell, shame about the replacement too

I still want to get Frogster today... out of Ranger's suggestions earlier I could be down with furtive and I don't want Ythan's slot gone

Agreeing with quite a few of McMenno's reads actually (Frogster/Enchant to be precise). They could just be Town with a style that I scumread, the alternative is a Town!Frogsterking world which is theoretically possible, but right now I see this Ythan wagon as an effort to save Frogsterking pushed by Mafia.

Do you always do these pre-flip reads?

I feel like your purported confidence in Frogs flipping scum is incongruous with the reasons you've given for scumreading him.

Like you're very confident in Frogs flipping scum to the point where you say things like "MT isn't scum with Frogs", but the reasons for actually scumreading Frogs in 752 feel quite weak to me.

[Lycanfire]

What do you think of this post?

Worth mentioning in relation to Gamma asking to be voted/limmed:

Gonna give y’all a little tip: you might not want to kill me.

I realized the exact reason why this push reeks of bullshit: it’s the same crock of shit Krazy used to pull against me. This sort of “scum!Gamma always reacts this way” comment is one I’m well-acquainted with, and one that imo ensures one of us is scum. So I think today’s vote absolutely SHOULD be between me and Frogsterking.

It’s still not wise to vote me out, unless you want a lot of deaths really fast.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Me? I don't like posts like that bc it comes with no analysis. Like I don't know if it's scumreading Gamma for the inconsistency or what

[Lycanfire]

How much analysis do you want? Gamma made a big show about having Elements vote him. It was weird, especially given his quotes earlier in the game. Context matters.

[Lycanfire]

I'm sorry I'm tired, having elements vote her.

[Lycanfire]

I'm gonna turn off avatars maybe that will help

[Cat Scratch Fever]

How much analysis do you want? Gamma made a big show about having Elements vote him. It was weird, especially given his quotes earlier in the game. Context matters.

I'm sorry I'm tired, having elements vote her.

HPE was cautioning Elements to not vote Gamma? That's a valid interpretation and probably even the likelier one, but tbh not the one that immediately came to mind when I read that post in context and just now