New Year Dance Party [afterparty]

[Datisi]

vote count 1.10

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. the first dance ends in (expired on 2023-01-10 19:45:00).

yeet

MariaR & furtiveglance [0]:

Save The Dragons & Irrel [1]:

Meuh

fireisredsir & Ydrasse [0]:

Firebringer & GuiltyLion [0]:

Meuh & Shirou [0]:

UNOwen & VP Baltar [3]:

midwaybear, fireisredsir, Ydrasse

midwaybear & Enchant [0]:

not voting [10]:

MariaR, furtiveglance, Save The Dragons, Irrel, Firebringer, GuiltyLion, Shirou, UNOwen, VP Baltar, Enchant

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[UNOwen]

VOTE: Ydrasse/fireisredsir

kindly requesting an explanation for this vote because uh

VOTE: Ydrasse/fireisredsir

but I could be wrong

[Ydrasse]

Maybe VPB is just scum who has good takes but his thought processes align a lot with mine which is good

which?

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: Ydrasse/fireisredsir

kindly requesting an explanation for this vote because uh

VOTE: Ydrasse/fireisredsir

but I could be wrong

pls explain your votes

[midwaybear]

I asked Owen who he thought would flip scum out of that pair and he said Norwee, so I'm guessing Owen is probably not scum here. Gave him a chance for free distancing and he didn't take it.

nah, he could just be scared to look informed

[VP Baltar]

I'll probably leave the dance tbh. I understand needing to clear our team. I think clearing us, Fireisred and relly/dragons basically wins the game.

[Ydrasse]

i thought her vote was kinda gross too

maybe if it was t/t, but given ari flipped scum it doesn't look like a bus setup to me

i’m put off by her vote boiling down to her saying “idk which one it could be but here’s a reason to vote regardless”
also late vote lol

[MariaR]

I'll probably leave the dance tbh. I understand needing to clear our team. I think clearing us, Fireisred and relly/dragons basically wins the game.

Who are the two TvT pairs you want at endgame rn

[fireisredsir]

that would def be at least a fun route to take for theatre between me and ari ill give you that

[Ydrasse]

i think ari writing essays at fire about how rejected she felt and questioning his boldness or w/e would be the goofiest theatre possible

[fireisredsir]

the scum pair who are doomed to be unable to dance together... one rejected by the other who is oblivious to her advances... i like to think we could have pulled off a better story of it if we did tbh

[MariaR]

i think ari writing essays at fire about how rejected she felt and questioning his boldness or w/e would be the goofiest theatre possible

I did say there was one in those two, interested in what firepup has to say

[VP Baltar]

I'll probably leave the dance tbh. I understand needing to clear our team. I think clearing us, Fireisred and relly/dragons basically wins the game.

Who are the two TvT pairs you want at endgame rn

I mean, ideal is Firebringer/GuiltyLion and Midway/enchant I guess?

Meuh and Shirou are also likely town imo. So I think that just means scum doesn't really have good options here in endgame.

[fireisredsir]

i think ari writing essays at fire about how rejected she felt and questioning his boldness or w/e would be the goofiest theatre possible

I did say there was one in those two, interested in what firepup has to say

wrong fire

i forgot the other one was in this game tbh where'd he go

[MariaR]

Atm if I was to place down a vote it'd be on save/Irrel but I want to think if there's a better one before we head into night
pedit: Talk to me on why Enchant is a villager?
pedit2: No I want to know what firepup has to say! I've already heard from you firereader. Don't make me pull out my mallet.

[fireisredsir]

o ok i see what you meant ig

[fireisredsir]

goto goto goto goto

[midwaybear]

i’m put off by her vote boiling down to her saying “idk which one it could be but here’s a reason to vote regardless”
also late vote lol

hmm i think shirou sorta forced her to vote which is why it looks so odd

[fireisredsir]

did you read end of pairing phase yet i would recommend that for enchant insights

[Ydrasse]

i’m put off by her vote boiling down to her saying “idk which one it could be but here’s a reason to vote regardless”
also late vote lol

hmm i think shirou sorta forced her to vote which is why it looks so odd

lol what

[MariaR]

did you read end of pairing phase yet i would recommend that for enchant insights

. . .

[midwaybear]

i’m put off by her vote boiling down to her saying “idk which one it could be but here’s a reason to vote regardless”
also late vote lol

hmm i think shirou sorta forced her to vote which is why it looks so odd

so i think from a town pov, she legit doesn't have too strong reasons to vote but since shirou is telling her she makes that weak justification. as scum, she's probably more firm there
also i don't see why she would shade drapion early on given that's who her buddy is paired with

[fireisredsir]

didn't she shade drapion before ari accepted and then kinda walk it back after

idr the exact timeline

[Save The Dragons]

I think meuh could be scum here

I'm also suddenly wary of irrel

[Meuh]

Here's a small collection of posts from VPB where my thoughts line up at least a decent amount with what he's saying, or where he's being the more coherent person in an interaction. (You might notice it's not a small collection, because it's happened a lot)

Spoiler:

ok quick question; to what extent are we like, taking this seriously

i kind of took this as a 'meme with friends' game

Can I sheep someone this game

There's a few more posts similar to those but I think those illustrate my early issue with Ausuka the most. Asking "are we serious about this game" is the kind of awkward post that dunno, 7 out of 10 times comes from scum in my opinion and if you ask me for a source for those statistics the answer is

"I made it up"

, but really, I don't think that there's anyone that felt as lost in the game as Ausuka did so far.

Everyone was shitposting and having fun yes, but people were mostly

interacting with each other

, but Ausuka felt rather reserved and like as if she was talking to a vacuum, like she's hesitant to engage people. She mostly always reacted to others rather than engaging anyone herself, and she stopped posting soon after finding a partner. I know it sounds like a silly case, and well it's the first few pages so it's only expected to grasp at straws a bit, but although I'm too lazy to do it right now, I could eventually (if I don't die before that I guess) give some past examples of scum having "awkward" entrances like this where they are reserved on engaging people directly and just say stuff for the sake of saying it rather than having fun talking nonsense.

Shirou town

idk I mean, I'd like to hear from other people if they see what shirou is getting at here and if anyone agrees my early game actually sounds like I wasn't having fun bantering with my friends. If this is something people actually feel that might not be scummy but I do not see it at all

I agree that you aren't really interacting with people so much as simply existing. If I remember correctly, when we were scum together, you kind of had a bit of awkwardness too and felt most comfortable interacting with me, your scum buddy. I think Shea is the only person you're actually interacting with here much beyond a surface level, and that's why I think you two quick pairing is kinda sus.

I don't think Ari is out of scum range, but I don't see a reason to be scum reading her rn.

I would say I assess her like I assess most good players on this site: are they consistently being effective at advancing town win con?

like reading thru irrel says in 823 he doesnt have strong feelings abt either enchant or cakez but then keeps talking/interacting with about how cakez is towny

Exactly. It's the type of hedging scum do while subtlety trying to influence an outcome.

You're far enough down on my list, I don't feel a strong desire to quiz you.

This is an extremely weird way to play mafia, and doesn't match at all with my experience with town you

how so? There are only so many mafia in any game. I don't know if there is really a large out there where I try to sort all people simultaneously. This is absolutely how I play. I prioritize pushing my scum reads and sort people as my confidence grows on them. This can be a slow or a faster process depending on how my theory of a game is shaping up and how I feel like I'm vibing with.

i don't expect you to be townreading me. im literally saying the opposite, that i expect you to be pushing me harder as your scumread. i expect you to take interest in my read on you and the reasoning for it. i expect you to not back away from an engagement with someone in your poe. instead you just keep throwing one liners and then backing off

Yes, sometimes I throw one liners at people I find mildly scummy to see what they do in response.

What is the engagement we're having exactly? You have a very bad read on irrel without much explanation. I would like to flip there first, and if he flips scum I will use that as leverage to flip you next possibly.

You seem to be making a point that I should be going through your ISO and quizzing you about your positions, and because I am not doing that right this minute, I am therefore being shady...but you haven't exactly explained why I should be doing that with great immediacy when you are not who I think looks worst off a cakez flip. That's the part that matters most, but you seem to be ignoring that for whatever reason.

Ok but you're literally pushing at something that you think is off right now, or so you're claiming? Does that not change your evaluation of priorities? Do you really like make a list of then there are people on it who are simultaneously scummy but not even worth interacting with to dig into? That's weird. And you're making it sound like the list is set and doesn't change at all based on the things the people at the top of the list are doing?

What are you even saying here? I should change the priority of my reads based on each new thing I see. If I did that I wouldn't have pushed dwlee two days in HoD. You have to follow your most confident reads first and adjust as your confidence changes.

Fire being in my PoE is me saying I don't really have a lot of confidence in a read there.

pedit- oh now we are doing tone reads ok.

VOTE: irrel

I also think Shea is maybe scum here. I've twice now intentionally acted prickish toward him and he is being very rational and measured in response. This is not what town Shea typically does.

I would like to yeet the Fireisredsir/Ydrasse pair.

I think ydra is probably town here. What makes you want to go there first?

Given we lim in pairs, I think it's more useful for me to think about this in terms of how we whittle down pairs.

So my general thoughts on the game right now are:

SHOULD STAY DANCING FOREVER LIKE IN THE MOVIE GHOST.

Firebringer & GuiltyLion
Meuh & Shirou
fireisredsir & Ydrasse
midwaybear & Enchant

UNOwen & VP Baltar

NorwegianboyEE & Aristeia
Save The Dragons & Irrel
Thestatusquo & furtiveglance

BOOMER ASS SHIT, PLS STOP DANCING. CRINGE.

Its interesting that VPB doesn't seem to care at all that his entire argument against me is based on a flawed premise that he insulted me and I didnt care when I didn't even realize that he was insulting me.

Just doesn't care at all, so either is completely tunneled or is just full of crap.

Still leaning towards the latter.

Scum get so upset when you don't read them for the "right" reasons.

It doesn't seem like ur actively trying to sort ur partner, which is sus considering how lurky UNOwen has been this game.

why would I try to sort my partner in thread instead of in my PT which is designed for such things?

VOTE: MariaR

I already had my issues with this slot, though I feel quite bad about what happened. I do think Shirou makes very good points that there is clearly some deception going on here. I'm not necessarily onboard with the Ari partner lim, but we can discuss that later.

If you need additional reasoning on MariaR, you can look at the way Shea talked around Cakez. it's very soft defending, as I'd expect scum to play in that position.

Is there anyone who feels like their partner is scum?

It seems like no. Like very little doubt by people, and that seems weird. I don't have a solid read on Owen, and I kinda feel like I'm the only one.

also it feels really unlikely that shea gets into that kerfuffle with vpb and bounced if he’s a wolf tho like he knows that it doesn’t matter what’s being said because he goaded it all to happen so he shouldn’t get upset about it
feelings are irrational but dipping after causing that would be gross

Honestly, the departure is the one thing that gives me pause here. It seems potentially unethical if Shea is scum, and I keep waffling on that. He doesn't really strike me as like that.

If Shea is scum, wouldn't he also want to leave if he thinks he can't like, emotionally handle the game? I don't really see why scum Shea couldn't also leave

It's possible for sure, which is why I'm having a hard time with it. I also feel bad because I don't want to make bad times for anyone. So that makes me more sympathetic to townreading I suppose.

Any reason I shouldn't put the pair on E-1? A flip to work off sounds nice

which pair, Norwee? I think that's fine.

Yeah, Norwee/Ari. Not my preferred flip but still a pretty decent one + it gives us more to work off of

Yeah, I think the Norwee, Maria and fireisred flips all give some level of info, probably in that order of utility. I don't think Ari is scum here and that's a shame because we lose a good player with the Norwee flip, but that's the cost of catching scum in this game I suppose. I don't think Norwee has comported himself well under pressure.

ok, let's get a flip then today I guess. Intent to hammer. I'll give you a couple hours for any final words or for Ari to deliver on a persuasive townread of Norwee.

No it's not. I've literally talked about Owen and how I am not town reading him. Relly also has much worse associatives with Cakez. It's a terrible point.

bruh you talked about in the most lamist way
And I think the point was that you guys should be receiving more pressure as a t/t pair, since UNOwen has been so lurky.

I'm not getting pressured because there's nothing of substance there. All you've done all game is tunnel me with complete nonsense and anytime anyone vaguely mentions a question to me, you're like "oh SHIT GOOD POINT" when they aren't remotely good points.

Relly can be salty if he's town, I get that. I think objectively, he knows there is reason to suspect him. Happy for him to contribute and convince me otherwise. You however, seem to be doing very little this game to actually scumhunt other than cast shade on me...which isn't on scum.

another point that I thought was counterproductive to his win con was when he started talking about how he suspected me for being so trusting of him at a time when lots of other people were suspicious of me for other reasons.

This feels like really counterproductive to post if he actually wants us to survive and there's really no reason for him to post that because it only signal amps suspicion on his dance partner.

This feels like a better point than the "scum don't fight IC point"