New Year Dance Party [afterparty]

[Datisi]

vote count 1.11

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. the first dance ends in (expired on 2023-01-10 19:45:00).

yeet

MariaR & furtiveglance [1]:

Shirou

Save The Dragons & Irrel [2]:

Meuh, MariaR

fireisredsir & Ydrasse [1]:

UNOwen

Firebringer & GuiltyLion [0]:

Meuh & Shirou [1]:

Firebringer

UNOwen & VP Baltar [3]:

midwaybear, fireisredsir, Ydrasse

midwaybear & Enchant [0]:

not voting [6]:

furtiveglance, Save The Dragons, Irrel, GuiltyLion, VP Baltar, Enchant

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[Save The Dragons]

Pagetop

[midwaybear]

Why are you so great is my question

what do you mean?

Also I have a hard time seeing this particular back-forth as scum theater lol
First, why would maria ask her buddy a completely irrelevant question? Why not ask something remotely game-related to build some cred upon flip? Maybe a stretch, but is she really gonna call her buddy who is about to get flipped "great"?
And Ari's response just reads genuinely confused. If they were both scum, I expect something more playful. Like alright im about to flip, lemme make u look town. But it's just a simple wdym. Given that they must be interacting a lot in the scum PT, no way Ari reads this confused to something coming from scum!maria
And then Maria just ignores Ari from there. No distancing just disinterest.

Also why would scum maria push norwee instead of ari straight up?

[Shirou]

shirou
for the third time, i have a hard time seeing tsq/ari fight over cakez as scum theater. The whole thing starts with 908. When do you ever see two scum buddies arguing over how to read a third scum buddy? Cuz what even is their end goal with that triple scum interaction beyond looking unaligned (which I heavily doubt scum care about so early on).
you need to explain your other points on tsq as well

To the damn end, MariaR never voted Ari even though she kept talking about how there was scum for sure there.

i can't really see this as a sneaky scum move lol

So they look unaligned which is what they should be doing but that's not scum "priority" according to you? What.

Scum priority from start to finish on the game is to look town and seem unaligned, they don't necessarily need to search for misleminations, town will most likely miseliminate or give a serious push on a miselimination on their own. what do you even think Ari was doing in this game other than trying to distance when she only opened her mouth to talk about how Cakez was scummy?

You say looking unaligned wouldn't be their "priority" but you're proven to be FACTUALLY WRONG already with Cakez/Ari.

Can you please just stop thinking that playing a good scum game and advancing their wincon (looking unaligned) is something they wouldn't do? It makes no sense for anyone that knows the basics of playing scum.

[Enchant]

there's only one place for clown and it's occupied by me

Enchant would you consider voting with me today? Please? I have got two and I think perhaps I can get another one

why not

VOTE: MariaR

[midwaybear]

got to convince GL im scum friend.

I changed my mind
I think ur town

[Shirou]

Why are you so great is my question

what do you mean?

Also I have a hard time seeing this particular back-forth as scum theater lol
First, why would maria ask her buddy a completely irrelevant question? Why not ask something remotely game-related to build some cred upon flip? Maybe a stretch, but is she really gonna call her buddy who is about to get flipped "great"?
And Ari's response just reads genuinely confused. If they were both scum, I expect something more playful. Like alright im about to flip, lemme make u look town. But it's just a simple wdym. Given that they must be interacting a lot in the scum PT, no way Ari reads this confused to something coming from scum!maria
And then Maria just ignores Ari from there. No distancing just disinterest.

Also why would scum maria push norwee instead of ari straight up?

Ok nvm maybe I give up on convincing you

[Shirou]

there's only one place for clown and it's occupied by me

Enchant would you consider voting with me today? Please? I have got two and I think perhaps I can get another one

why not

VOTE: MariaR

THANK YOU ENCHANT I LOVE YOU

[Firebringer]

wow u made me jealous of enchant.
now im never sheeping

[Shirou]

wow u made me jealous of enchant.
now im never sheeping

I suspect I may know the real reason you aren't sheeping me

[midwaybear]

So they look unaligned which is what they should be doing but that's not scum "priority" according to you? What.

Scum priority from start to finish on the game is to look town and seem unaligned, they don't necessarily need to search for misleminations, town will most likely miseliminate or give a serious push on a miselimination on their own. what do you even think Ari was doing in this game other than trying to distance when she only opened her mouth to talk about how Cakez was scummy?

You say looking unaligned wouldn't be their "priority" but you're proven to be FACTUALLY WRONG already with Cakez/Ari.

Can you please just stop thinking that playing a good scum game and advancing their wincon (looking unaligned) is something they wouldn't do? It makes no sense for anyone that knows the basics of playing scum.

-To come up with the three way interaction takes creativity as scum and it's not something i see them pursuing so early in the game. yes, scum want to look unaligned, but they generally don't come up with such creative schemes to do so.
-Bro I thought Ari was potentially bussing too, but this isn't the same type of situation. it's a three way scum interaction, not just two scum interacting with each other.
It's two scum buddies deciding to argue about the towniness of their third buddy. I have a hard time believing scum tsq decides to fight his partner Ari for scumreading their other partner. If it's over anyone else, sure but it's not.

[Firebringer]

wow u made me jealous of enchant.
now im never sheeping

I suspect I may know the real reason you aren't sheeping me

hmm ur right. This is sus of me.
If i sheep u and mariar flips town do i get towncred?
Do i get towncred if flips scum?

I want towncred from u.
Or for u to convince GL i am scum.

[Shirou]

Ok midway, out of curiosity then if I am right on MariaR as well will you consider lending me your vote or 3/3 will still not be enough for you?

[Shirou]

wow u made me jealous of enchant.
now im never sheeping

I suspect I may know the real reason you aren't sheeping me

hmm ur right. This is sus of me.
If i sheep u and mariar flips town do i get towncred?
Do i get towncred if flips scum?/quote]
The million dollar question

[Firebringer]

if ur going to scumread me either way. Why should i just listen to ur read on mariar when i know ur wrong on me again?

[midwaybear]

Ok midway, out of curiosity then if I am right on MariaR as well will you consider lending me your vote or 3/3 will still not be enough for you?

I'm arguing with you right now because you have done well so far. like it's out of respect for your game. You have a lot of influence, so I feel like I need to argue with you since I really disagree that maria/tsq is scum.
if you're right on maria, my own confidence will be shattered and i will likely sheep you yes

[Shirou]

if ur going to scumread me either way. Why should i just listen to ur read on mariar when i know ur wrong on me again?

There's not only you in the PoE though, you weren't there originally anyway, you got on it because I believed Ari was scum and there was attempts in the thread to redirect that wagon. Do you really think that wasn't the case? Maybe on your case it's a coincidence but c'mon Fire I can't know that, I'm just doing classic chocolate cake and punishing what to me sounds like people trying to intentionally advance scum wincon, and it's working so far. I will need to flip you eventually but I have other places to look at if I am proven incorrect about you specifically.

[Shirou]

Not to mention your interactions with Ari are almost carbon copy of you/Ank and you should know that. If you're town sorry, in your case it has been a big coincidence, but I CAN'T know that, I'm not infallible and am simply going for what I feel is statistically more likely to come from scum, no all powerful crystal ball.

[Firebringer]

Idk ur point then.
i redirected a wagon though? I dont think thats true but not in the business of fact checking

[Shirou]

Idk ur point then.
i redirected a wagon though? I dont think thats true but not in the business of fact checking

The point is that it has been working so far and even if I'm wrong on you particularly it doesn't mean I don't have the right perspective of how to approach he game?

Is that not enough for you?

[furtiveglance]

GL was right for wrong read then...that's the value of having an IC and sheeping them.

[Shirou]

GL was right for wrong read then...that's the value of having an IC and sheeping them.

GL was just wrong sorry. Very few scum push back an IC.

[GuiltyLion]

I actually knew Norwee was town and Ari was scum all along I just galaxybrain pushed Norwee because he's easier to lim than Ari

been reading along but haven't had time to really play yet, will try to #effort tonight

[GuiltyLion]

I actually knew Norwee was town and Ari was scum all along I just galaxybrain pushed Norwee because he's easier to lim than Ari

same thing I did in HDP too btw

[GuiltyLion]

but for real, I still don't think MariaR is scum at all and I don't like this push. StD/Irrel pair seems like a better lim, but that's pending some reread. I'm not sure how I feel about furtive at the moment either, that'd be a more likely vote for me than Maria at this point