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Past Present Future They/ThemMafia ScumThey/Them
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And here, not really sure how helpful that will be to you, since the vast majority of posts were made by RR in that.
You can look up my main since I usually ego post in all of my hydra games.It’s the end of the world as you know it and we feel fine.
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I'll be blunt and say that I don't think I'm capable of doing what I've done in this game as scum, and my abysmal performances in all of my scum games in the past two years is my evidence for itIn post 8424, Past Present Future wrote:
Really not very much, probably stick to trying to read Bella then.In post 8421, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89739
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Enjoy, none of them are very long
Let me know what you get from them please!
On the other hand, all of my town games in recent history have looked basically like this game-
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Past Present Future They/ThemMafia ScumThey/Them
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Let's try process of elimination.
Dingle Dangle Scarecrow
Magician
Enchant
Past Present FutureImpossible. Sun Attunement.
Cat Scratch Fever
Firebringer
T-Bone
^ Potential Lunars
Dingle Dangle ScarecrowImpossible. Lunar Blessing.
Magician
Past Present Future
Cat Scratch Fever
Enchant
Firebringer
T-Bone
^ Potentional Solars
P.S. I know that i know i am not any of these teams, i mostly want to know why YOU think i am not.Wizard-Mercenary
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Who doIn post 8427, Past Present Future wrote:Well like I said I think Fire can only be solar or town. I honestly don’t believe he can be lunar, so if you’re telling the truth, you need to look deeper.youthink is Lunar, Nancy?-
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That’s what I’m trying to find out but not CSF or Fire. Could be you or T-Bone? I guess Magician and Enchant possibilities? I just don’t think it’s Fire. I think Ydra flip spewed Fire as NOT lunar and I think CSF probably town due to both my Yume read and RR flip.In post 8429, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:
Who doIn post 8427, Past Present Future wrote:Well like I said I think Fire can only be solar or town. I honestly don’t believe he can be lunar, so if you’re telling the truth, you need to look deeper.youthink is Lunar, Nancy?
So assuming it’s not you, if you took Fire off the table, who would be your next likely guess? Or maybe tell me who you think is highly unlikely. I don’t believe STD and FA are ever buddies here, so I’d pretty much bet the. game on that. I would be totally shocked if I’m wrong about this.It’s the end of the world as you know it and we feel fine.
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I really, really like this as a thread exercise. Let's do it.In post 8428, Enchant wrote:Let's try process of elimination.
Dingle Dangle Scarecrow
Magician
Enchant
Past Present FutureImpossible. Sun Attunement.
Cat Scratch Fever
Firebringer
T-Bone
^ Potential Lunars
Dingle Dangle ScarecrowImpossible. Lunar Blessing.
Magician
Past Present Future
Cat Scratch Fever
Enchant
Firebringer
T-Bone
^ Potentional Solars
P.S. I know that i know i am not any of these teams, i mostly want to know why YOU think i am not.
It can keep us on track with one topic at a time and actually progress us towards a logical general reads list that is difficult to dismantle. When a sizable chunk of players agree a player can be crossed off, we can cross them off the 'main list'? Dunno if we want a strict method of deciding when someone's out of the PoE. (Unless you were just intending to have this as your personal list, which is also cool)
I'll contribute a few reads here that I think should be easy for anyone to cross off the list:
T-Bone is not Solar.This is due to his interactions with Radical Rat and the Burn mechanic. T-Bone received the Burn message from Porkens that backed up Radical Rat's claim. We KNOW that scum had the ability to send that message to someone unaligned with them. To assume that T-Bone is Solar is to assume that they chose to have a buddy play that role instead, and also intentionally chose not to use Porkens' role to mess with someone unaligned with them. I don't believe that's plausible at all.
Magician is not Solar.I believe this because of JunkoChan's approach to the Porkens wagon. I'm strongly of the opinion that the last Solar wouldn't have willingly let Porkens die on the day of his elimination. Look at how Radical Rat reacted to the sudden Porkens pop-up if you want a glimpse at the general feelings the Solar scumteam had about that wagon forming. Now look at JunkoChan's play around that wagon:
In post 7149, JunkoChan wrote:
But actually this. You don't want to end the day or wait for 5 night days but You want to vote fireIn post 7147, T-Bone wrote:
Thoughts on flipping that slot then?In post 7141, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Though maybe part of the reason that every wagon is stalling is that we (or at least i) don't want to end the day with an empty Porkens slot, since i don't want to sit through another 5 day nightphase waiting for a replacement again
Like make up your mind dude at least i'm being honest about just wanting to end the day unlike all of You, heck i don't think porkens slot is scum and i said so, but If it ends this stupid day i'm down for thatIn post 7155, JunkoChan wrote:C.. can we just kill this and maybe still have a game to play?
VOTE: porkensIn post 7174, JunkoChan wrote:
I'm sorry you are going to lose your buddy, it sucks I knowIn post 6873, Radical Rat wrote:T-Bone
Professotic
JunkoChan
CSF
Meuh
Enchant
Porkens et al.
PPF
Ydrasse
Firebringer
MathBlade/DDS
Enchant is the lowest one on the list that I'd consider to be a townread.
This player wasn't Porkens' and Radical Rat's partner. There's gambits, and then there's throwing away your team's chances for no reason.In post 7176, JunkoChan wrote:the slot is in a spot in your read list usually around where scum puts their buddies
what changed your midn since then? who's a better target? why? why haven'¿t you pushed for it?
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I’m inclined to agree but I think Fire is an extremely obvious not lunar. The way STD reacted to FA push isn’t how scum usually reacts to being pushed by a buddy. I still can’t understand how you’re not seeing that. Why STD react the way he did if FA was a buddy? I think scum caught for the wrong reasons. I think STD would have probably made that same post as town wrt the mech thing and got rattled when FA jumped on him for that.In post 8432, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:I have others I'd like to add to that list but I want to start with the obvious ones to not flood the idea space too much and let others weigh in on the PoE idea itselfIt’s the end of the world as you know it and we feel fine.
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I get that you really want to talk about that specific read
I don't agree with your reasoning and think getting into it at detail with you specifically wouldn't actually be productive at this time
I think I'd rather talk about other reads at the moment and we can come back to that one if that's alright
Preferably with more people involved in that discussion-
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Plus, when we do get to that read you can clearly, wholly present the evidence you have for Firebringer not being Lunar all in one condensed area, so that your reasons for thinking that are really clear and can be agreed or disagreed with really clearly. Instead of the jumbled-across-the-thread approach we currently have.-
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I looked up that post you made wrt CSF and found this on the same page.In post 8139, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:I don't think Frozen Angel and STD were partners
I think the FA and STD argument doesn't happen the way it did if they were partners
No one else other than flipped scum has claimed any kind of protective, so I think CSF’s very likely town.It’s the end of the world as you know it and we feel fine.
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I was just rummaging through my ISO and found this fun post that might provide some context to your postIn post 8391, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:
This was my reason for thinking Firebringer couldn't be LunarIn post 8385, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I remember thinking save the dragons (ydrasse) and frozen angel (firebringer) were probably unaligned because they had that heated convo about dragons not wanting to learn mech. I still think fb is solar. Really not sure who the last lunar is
I'm kinda running out of options though. And I already thought STD didn't make sense as scum period for that interaction, and was wrong. That makes me unwilling to rule out Firebringer as Lunar from the interaction. I don't think anything FA did makes the slot unlikely Lunar. I don’t think anything Firebringer has done makes him unlikely Lunar. It's just the STD interaction that I've already read incorrectly once, and so with limited options for Lunar, I feel as though that could be the weak point in my thinking at the moment.
Regardless I think Firebringer is likely to flip any flavor of scum so it's not hugely relevant. But still!
And while I was there I also found this post
In post 8434, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:I get that you really want to talk about that specific read
I don't agree with your reasoning and think getting into it at detail with you specifically wouldn't actually be productive at this time
I think I'd rather talk about other reads at the moment and we can come back to that one if that's alright
Preferably with more people involved in that discussion-
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I think that's fair. I've recently become more wary of clearing people based on 1 associativeIn post 8397, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:
These two posts are in response to professotic, not FAIn post 8396, Past Present Future wrote:In post 206, Save The Dragons wrote:don't give me this bullshitIn post 207, Save The Dragons wrote:fucking hell
I believe it's obvious that STD is legitimately angry with FA
I don't believe this disqualifies FA from being STD's partner
I don't personally feel confident sorting at all based on the STD interactions, because I already confidently read STD as town based on them and was wrong. So I'm looking for other evidence that suggests FA/Firebringer wouldn't be Lunar, and I'm not convinced there's anything else substantial to back that idea up.
Many people have at least one interaction or another around flipped lunar that makes them somewhat unlikely to be Lunar. In the spirit of the PoE list, i can compile a separate list when I get home with reasons each person is slightly more/less likely Lunar and see where that gets us-
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I can't weigh in on rules when I am a player.In post 8411, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:
I was pretty sure this was a thing but I now can't find itIn post 8408, Past Present Future wrote:
Where is that against the rules? I’m pretty sure it isn’t - not on MS anyway.In post 8405, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:I'm pretty certain it's against the rules to discuss reasons for replacing out?
Yo T-Bone could you weigh in on this pls-
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I think this is correct.In post 8438, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I agree that Magician and T-Bone are not Solar. If you remove me from the Solar list because of no NK that first noon, the list of Solar is really just:
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Like for me I'm weighing whether I want to finally find out what MMR'S deal was, or trust in thinking Nancy has been town enough. And that also means saying goodbye to a town read I've held for the whole game.-
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all i hope from this game is that TBone wasn't converted.
cause otherwise i think we lose to that.
Tbone too townie for his own good imoShow"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown-
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I'll go ahead and add:
Cat Scratch Fever is not Lunar
The evidence that persuades me of this is CSF's immediate suspicion of Radical Rat. I think there are clear hints in CSF's early posting that she found Radical Rat in particular scummy for their claim. I think this suspicion only makes sense when you consider that CSF is a town-aligned protective role. (In other words, if CSF were a Lunar Guardian or something, I don't think her suspicion of RR looks the way it does.)
These are quotes showing CSF having a particular early interest in RR and their claim:
In post 4347, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
Are you thinking Mastina is likely town because scum tried to kill her?In post 4340, Radical Rat wrote:UNVOTE:
Okay, I'll buy that. Response was fast enough for there not to have been deliberation, and it also explains why you were on mastina/Meuh in the first place.
Which also means Meuh is 99% likely to be Town, and I owe mastina an apology...
Not sure what this does for the rest of my reads yet.
Here's CSF pretty clearly showing suspicion of RR repeatedly rather early on:In post 4351, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Given there was no kill, do you feel comfortable outing your doc target Rat?
In post 4366, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:In post 4360, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:My list of people who are fairly likely to be scum at the moment, either aligned with MMR or not, and therefore who I'd love to vote today:
Radical Rat
Enchant
Toogeloo
Furtiveglance
VOTE: furtiveglance
I'm okay with the other 3 names in the listIn post 4361, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:Over the night I also had mastina, Firebringer and unwnd as potential scum, but I think all three have interactions that make them unlikely to be partnered with MMR
But what about furtive's last minute push to swing the vote onto MMR?In post 4388, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
I don't think that makes them town in multiball. I think it's a bit suspicious how Rat didn't come out of the gate announcing their doc target. T-Bone is also an interesting target given he wasn't on that final MMR wagonIn post 4383, Past Present Future wrote:
Didn't RR claim a doctor like role and no one died? Yet you still want to lim them?In post 4360, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:My list of people who are fairly likely to be scum at the moment, either aligned with MMR or not, and therefore who I'd love to vote today:
Radical Rat
Enchant
Toogeloo
Furtiveglance
VOTE: furtiveglance
~TitusIn post 4443, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
If MMR wanted to look better on a PPF flip, I'm kind of confused why they didn't push PPF?In post 4437, MathBlade wrote:But mechanically I don’t see what scum were doing.
I think RR has a decent chance of being scum.Mastina/Yume/RR/PPF => assume all town why no RR dead-
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