Mini 2286: Legends of the Hidden Temple IV (Explorers Win!)

[furtiveglance]

Oh my fucking god
I’ll break it down later but furtive, Logic for thinking I’m associated with Meg sucks ass

Look forward to it

[Save The Dragons]

i just don't think it's gamma but i'll take a look at the other two

i guess i looked at ythan's and agree with your point that lack of interaction is roughly equal to +1 associative point

[Aisa]

I can't explain my STD read super well, it's partly vibes but I'll try.

Something about the way he is pushing people pings me as a possible scum move. Examples are:

[...]
I won't pretend I'm the best Nancy reader but her tone feels off. Sometimes she feels super town when town and sometimes she doesn't feel super town and here she doesn't

I disagree, I think Nancy vibes towny in a faily clear way. I wonder if this is one of those vibes that scum find it hard to pick up on.

i feel like furative's posts lack emotion and i don't know if that's just playstyle

Its playstyle, words are short, structure is statements only. Drives me nuts ngl and still trying to diffuse what I can from it myself.

I try and keep it fairly concise and clear, but if you want me to explain something in more detail then I can try

I'm just wondering where's the indignation at being wrongfully accused as a townie. It just feels like you're resigned to all attacks against you because they're onto something but I dunno if that is true or just how you play. I think I can try to give you benefit of the doubt and see if there's better reasons to scumread or townread you though.

Bahh maybe this is just unfamiliarity at furtive's playstyle, but just felt like a pretty cheap attack at the time

I got thinking about this after furtive and I talked briefly about the interactions between cephrir and STD in the hood and furtive explained that he townread STD very slightly just for being the aggressor.

That got me thinking and I don't see the particular brand and context of STD's aggression / push on the people he's pushed as town-indicative at all.

[Save The Dragons]

i think i townread both nancy and furative in part due to my attacks on them

[Save The Dragons]

it just feels like you're streets behind with these

[furtiveglance]

STD, while you're active, what interests me most is your read on Ceph (and your PT with him). Can you summarise his thoughts in there, and/or why you think he's Mafia?

[Save The Dragons]

also pulling the "if i were scum card" but i'd definitely not attack random people i knew would get aggro at me (nancy) or upset with me (cephrir)

[furtiveglance]

also pulling the "if i were scum card" but i'd definitely not attack random people i knew would get aggro at me (nancy) or upset with me (cephrir)

Both of these assume S/T relations

[Aisa]

That's quite likely, I haven't been paying that much attention to you, finding it hard to coerce my brain into thinking about people who I haven't interacted with much directly

furtive asked me about 3 scumreads and I guess I felt pressure to have three so I just retrieved something that once felt suspicious from my memory

The "if I were scum" card is like, possibly the least convincing card of all time for me, sorry

[Gamma Emerald]

also pulling the "if i were scum card" but i'd definitely not attack random people i knew would get aggro at me (nancy) or upset with me (cephrir)

Both of these assume S/T relations

Okay and?

[Aisa]

I mean it's quite likely that I am streets behind with STD's reads

[furtiveglance]

Can I ask that no more votes be placed until Ythan checks in

[furtiveglance]

also pulling the "if i were scum card" but i'd definitely not attack random people i knew would get aggro at me (nancy) or upset with me (cephrir)

Both of these assume S/T relations

Okay and?

I mean regardless it's a bad defence

[Save The Dragons]

The "if I were scum" card is like, possibly the least convincing card of all time for me, sorry

i mean that's fair but i've also been very attention getty in the thread so you might have to explain why scum would do that regardless of whether or not i'd do it as scum

[Save The Dragons]

also pulling the "if i were scum card" but i'd definitely not attack random people i knew would get aggro at me (nancy) or upset with me (cephrir)

Both of these assume S/T relations

Okay and?

I mean regardless it's a bad defence

this also doesn't really answer gamma's question

[Save The Dragons]

also like do you think town never defends themselves with shitty defenses?

[furtiveglance]

also like do you think town never defends themselves with shitty defenses?

I don't even scumread you. I just noticed an assumption

[Aisa]

@STD To me, the fact I've found it hard to engage / have useful thoughts on your posting is proof that maybe you haven't been as attention getty as you claim. My theory is that if you are scum, your strategy is to check in once a day, make a couple posts, throw a little shade, then slink out before you attract too much attention.

Granted, maybe cephrir or Nancy would have a different take on how attention getty you have been.

I'm not pushing you now or anything, it's not like I volunteered this read on an attempt to get you eliminated. You mostly live in null land. I promise I'll take a closer look at you in the next couple days.

also pulling the "if i were scum card" but i'd definitely not attack random people i knew would get aggro at me (nancy) or upset with me (cephrir)

Now that I skimmed your ISO again, I see you dropped your suspicion of Nancy pretty quickly. I remember now, that was one of the things that felt sussy at the time.

One moment you were like "Hmm Nancy's tone is scummy" and 5 hours later you were like "nvm Nancy may be town now". Actually now that I think about it this might be town-indicative. But I don't think you get credit for attacking someone who defends herself fiercely, because it was a pretty tame and short lived attack.

[Gamma Emerald]

also like do you think town never defends themselves with shitty defenses?

I don't even scumread you. I just noticed an assumption

I don’t think it’s a relevant assumption unless you think both Nancy and ceph can be scum

[Save The Dragons]

STD, while you're active, what interests me most is your read on Ceph (and your PT with him). Can you summarise his thoughts in there, and/or why you think he's Mafia?

our first big point of discussion is he asks why i attacked him in thread and not in the PT. (referring to 82)

it seems like he thinks i should have come at him in the pt first he could be trying to read me but i also don't know what me deciding to be posting in the pt vs. posting in the main thread has to do with my alignment

he throws a weak town read on me

we talk about you for a bit the gist of it is i'm feeling your reaction to being scumread is nonchalant while he kinda townreads you

i basically make my first accusation that his tone is off and he gives me somethng that feels forced in a response

he warns me not to scum read nancy, i do it anyway

we're both waiting for the worst to do something

i guess he does say he's suspecting aisa which is something i was kind of missing so maybe thats +town cephrir

he doesn't seem to like yume

then we kind of get into a big stink about his suspicion of aisa basically he says he has stuff in the thread about it and i call him out on it because i didn't really see any cohesive arguments against aisa anywhere not the pt or the thread.

i think he's giving caught for the wrong reason vibes vs. townie indignation vibes but i don't know for sure.

[Save The Dragons]

@STD To me, the fact I've found it hard to engage / have useful thoughts on your posting is proof that maybe you haven't been as attention getty as you claim. My theory is that if you are scum, your strategy is to check in once a day, make a couple posts, throw a little shade, then slink out before you attract too much attention.

i don't think this is an accurate portrayal of my posting but maybe it appears that way

[Save The Dragons]

you realize my attack on nancy was partially a reaction test to see how she would react and she reacted in the way i expected town!nancy to react?

[Save The Dragons]

once a day

5 hours later

as brice from survivor would say

dot dot dot hmmmm

[Aisa]

STD, if you think cephrir is scum why haven't you pushed that more actively?

also like do you think town never defends themselves with shitty defenses?

I don't even scumread you. I just noticed an assumption

I don’t think it’s a relevant assumption unless you think both Nancy and ceph can be scum

I mean, two data points are better than one and one data point is worse than two, right?
In the world of scum!STD, scum!Nancy and town!ceph, STD is still being cheeky about on 50% of his argument.

[Save The Dragons]

i wavered

i wasn't super sure until like this afternoon and since then i've been pushing him pretty actively