Mini 2286: Legends of the Hidden Temple IV (Explorers Win!)

[Yume]

VOTE: mastina

Every time I've been paranoid of her, she has been in the opposite faction, and this game I am paranoid of her, so she has to be scum.

[Yume]

VOTE: mastina

Every time I've been paranoid of her, she has been in the opposite faction, and this game I am paranoid of her, so she has to be scum.

She hasn’t even posted yet. On what are you basing this paranoia on?

I’m suspicious of this post unless you have some valid reason for this?

No, it's just a feeling.

[Yume]

That, and she posted in our PT something she posts when we're opposite alignments.

[Yume]

Granted, the evidence for this is just one finished game, so it's not a pattern.

[Yume]

That, and she posted in our PT something she posts when we're opposite alignments.

What did she post? You can paraphrase it?

Can I paraphrase an emoji?

[Yume]

That, and she posted in our PT something she posts when we're opposite alignments.

What did she post? You can paraphrase it?

Can I paraphrase an emoji?

You can try to describe it, I guess?

So you’re saying her posting a particular emojis is a scumtell for her?

Only if I am involved, but yes.

[Yume]

Like, I dunno how to explain it in the way those who weren't around in that game would understand.

Well, it's like a sideways heart emoji.

[Yume]

Like, I dunno how to explain it in the way those who weren't around in that game would understand.

Well, it's like a sideways heart emoji.

Like this <3?

Yea.

[Yume]

What does Yume have to do with Bell and Taly?

Bell and Taly were in a hood and Bell hard sr them but I didn’t listen and I think Yume seems really sincere so I’m trusting their gut on that for now.

I appreciate it, but do not use another player's meta as a reference. I tried doing that once, using two different players to justify my stance. It backfired.

[Yume]

Quoting makes it feel like trying to justify it with what is obviously RVS sillyness

???

Come again?

Exactly how are you getting “rvs silliness” from all of that? What part of it are you reading as that?

"Mastina put a heart emoji and they did that as scum before so they must be scum"

If Yume was seriously saying that it's frankly ridiculous but you seem to be taking it at face value.

And where did I say she MUST be scum because of it? Quote me where did I write the phrase 'she must be scum'.

[Yume]

Yume, tell me a bit more about heartemojigate. Do you think there might be scum motivation behind it?

Buddying.

[Yume]

Yume, tell me a bit more about heartemojigate. Do you think there might be scum motivation behind it?

Buddying.

That makes sense I guess. Totally separate question, has mastina talked to you in the hood about Meg, as of this post?

As of this post, no, but she did after.

[Yume]

I might not be around tomorrow or the day after, so I am posting now.

[Yume]

Spoiler: std only nobody else open

megazu is like, scum, right

Worstie are you okay with us dueling you+Meg?

I don't think you're scum with Meg but think Meg is scum.

worstie I need a response bestie.

Just quoting this so it doesn't get lost among other stuff, and will continue doing so until a reply is given.

[Yume]

Well, mastina will think this is a bad play, but I'll take it.

Challenge: Silver Snakes

So says me and my spirits.

[Yume]

Well, mastina

will

think this is a bad play, but I'll take it.

Challenge: Silver Snakes

So says me and my spirits.

I missed the word 'will' in this post. Bolding is mine

Yume, has mastina been posting in your PT since her dippage from the main thread?

No.

[Yume]

Well, mastina will think this is a bad play, but I'll take it.

Challenge: Silver Snakes

So says me and my spirits.

Why did you think mastina wouldn’t like it? She was interested in challenging them too.

@yume

She'd consider it too early.

[Yume]

VOTE: Mega

[Yume]

VOTE: Aisa

mastina's recent posting is towny, by the way. Source: meta.

[Yume]

Yume, do you always sheep mastina? I saw it in HotD a bit, mastina was scum in that. You said you suspected her earlier, but now voted with. How has your read developed on mastina?

Yes, I kinda do. I do ever since that game.

[Yume]

Yume, do you always sheep mastina? I saw it in HotD a bit, mastina was scum in that. You said you suspected her earlier, but now voted with. How has your read developed on mastina?

Yes, I kinda do. I do ever since that game.

Are you townreading mastina currently?

Yes.

[Yume]

or use an ISO link.

I genuinely loathe how short and lacking Yumes posts are and can't understand Nancys faith in her reads at all.

Well, did you play with me before this game?

[Yume]

or use an ISO link.

I genuinely loathe how short and lacking Yumes posts are and can't understand Nancys faith in her reads at all.

Well, did you play with me before this game?

Nope and ngl I'm hoping we don't meet again, you're hell to read.


Apparently some peeps need to learn what a push is....

Then you should sheep those who have.

[Yume]

I find it funny that when scum is hammered, the player who does it is praised for it, but when they hammer town, they are vilified for it.

[Yume]

Just a thought.

[Yume]

I can get onboard with it.

VOTE: Ythan

[Yume]

UNVOTE: to give mastina time to post

[Yume]

UNVOTE: to give mastina time to post

why? There's no deadlines in this game and it's nightless as well

Because someone might hammer before she can be around.

[Yume]

and how would that matter?

And what's wrong with giving her a chance to say something?

[Yume]

and how would that matter?

And what's wrong with giving her a chance to say something?

nothing wrong or right with it, the premise is broken because there is no night phase

And that means you absolutely have to lim now and can't wait a day or two why again?

[Yume]

But whatever, get snippy because I am using common sense.

[Yume]

and how would that matter?

And what's wrong with giving her a chance to say something?

a) what furtive+fenrir are saying, she's likely not going to say it until tomorrow
b) she can say it anytime unless it pertains to her town!Ythan read, in which case why'd you vote there in the first place if you were going to defer to mastina anyway?

Because I am a crap player.

[Yume]

Then you can wait some more.

[Yume]

Interesting how you assumed that unvote was the only reason I could possibly have

Then what are the other reasons you have? And if you scumread me, shouldn't you be challenging us?

[Yume]

I voted you based on gut, basically. As for the meta thing, I can't really explain that either. I only know that's it true.

[Yume]

VOTE: Gimli

[Yume]

Interesting how you assumed that unvote was the only reason I could possibly have

Then what are the other reasons you have? And if you scumread me, shouldn't you be challenging us?

Lurking/demotivation

Seems to fit the pattern here

Also anyone challenging anyone but gimli today would be claiming scum. Perhaps you would like that

Well, it would make limming scum easier, wouldn't it?

[Yume]

Nice, only one left.

[Yume]

I, for one, will not vote mastina just yet
Even if she's scum, she cannot beat everyone here on her own.

[Yume]

Furthermore, we cannot both be scum, by virtue of there being only one scum left. So...

[Yume]

VOTE: Ceph

Mostly because I am hoping she won't be scum this time.

[Yume]

Are you sure you don't just want to keep mastina around because she'll refuse to vote you

Are you sure you have your head on straight?

[Yume]

Well, perhaps I can, but that scenario would require her to turn her back on her principles, which is unlikely.

[Yume]

You probably shouldn't play mafia with someone if you won't vote for them for personal reasons

That's your view.

[Yume]

If you vote either of us, you won't have your perfect victory.

[Yume]

If you vote either of us, you won't have your perfect victory.

Why do you think mastina is Town?

Meta.

[Yume]

You say she is scum because she 'defended' other scum. I say she genuinely thought they're town. Her reads aren't always perfect, but that doesn't make her scum.

In fact, in a recent game, she put a scum on top of her town pile, as town.

[Yume]

So what do you say to that, huh?

[Yume]

Yes, I am finally going onto offensive.

[Yume]

If she's not here at her usual time, I'll vote her.

[Yume]

Nothing to say about my other posts? Fine then.

[Yume]

You're done. Done and over. You know you cannot refute my points, so you aren't trying.

[Yume]

Well, everyone I implore you to vote Ceph. Something tells me that if you do, town will win.

[Yume]

Then why is she scum? I asked you to give a reason why I am scum and you gave none. You won't now either. Reasons why you scumread her or die.

[Yume]

So what do you say to that, huh?

It's just poe for me. If mastina is indeed town I'll probably vote Cephrir, but I think we might actually have the perfect game here.

No, you don't.

[Yume]

If you vote her out now, then you don't.

[Yume]

I suspect both of you primarily for barely playing

Along with half the playerlist, so I'm not sure why you're so mad at only me about it

'Why are you scumreading me for wrong reasons?'

[Yume]

Because he ignores my legitimate meta read and is trying to lim mastina before she can say anything.

[Yume]

That said, my paranoia is still there.

[Yume]

Her posts are indicative of her town game, but you would ignore any meta evidence I give of such because you've already decided she's scum.

[Yume]

Very well, then you do the same and shove you 'mastina is scum' theory in the trash.

[Yume]

Was talking to Flea there, actually.

[Yume]

(Also at this point we legit do have an autowin. Trust Nancy, trust Yume, and with me as town, we can lim literally everyone else as need be to brute force a win. Every name you add to the town list to trust, the easier the autowin is. But idk who those are since I haven't read the game, presumably there are people who have been hard-spewed-town by this flip; I'd need to actually read the game to know who those are.)

Here's something concrete. This post. This post is why I townread her. You said you played with her, Flea, so you should know that she makes this kinda post as town. If you don't, then either we have vastly different experience with her or you refuse to see it, in which case it's on you.

[Yume]

Very well, then you do the same and shove you 'mastina is scum' theory in the trash.

If your sole reason for reading someone as either alignment after 3 eliminations is meta, you are not acting in town interests and may as well still be in RVS.

Mastina is scum - because meta.

VS

Mastina is scum as she is inactive here, in a game where the 3 caught scum have been inactive I suspect she's also been demotivated and is attempting to stay under radar knowing she has someone who will defend her to a frankly ridiculous extreme without consideration of other options at all. You are defending someone who is just spewing information and speculation instead of actual read content.

She's also sick! That's why she's not around! You are basically scumreading her because she's inactive due to illness!

[Yume]

And don't say 'I am not' because you admitted you are.

[Yume]

i want a perfect game dear

Then vote Ceph.

[Yume]

I am leaving for the night. I need to destress and calm down.

[Yume]

Yes, because she makes that kinda post as town in my experience! Prove me wrong! Show me games where she did so as scum!

Because she's sick! I'd like to see you do deep analysis when you're sick!

[Yume]

Here:

Very well, then you do the same and shove you 'mastina is scum' theory in the trash.

If your sole reason for reading someone as either alignment after 3 eliminations is meta, you are not acting in town interests and may as well still be in RVS.

Mastina is scum - because meta.

VS

Mastina is scum as she is inactive here, in a game where the 3 caught scum have been inactive I suspect she's also been demotivated and is attempting to stay under radar knowing she has someone who will defend her to a frankly ridiculous extreme without consideration of other options at all. You are defending someone who is just spewing information and speculation instead of actual read content.

[Yume]

She is inactive due to illness. You're scumreading her for being inactive. Therefore, you're scumreading her for being ill.

[Yume]

Well, the usual time has passed and she's not around.

VOTE: mastina

[Yume]

That's me saying shes inactive, and likely demotivated because of the perfect game so far.

No, because of illness.

[Yume]

But whatever arguing with you is pointless. I gave my reasons for townreading her. You rejected them and called them trash. Nothing more needs to be said. Next time you ask someone their reasons, don't be dismissive when they're given to you.

[Yume]

I did. You dismissed them too.

[Yume]

ALso kinda the point of the game is to dismantle peoples reads and opinions to see what their motive is.

"Meta" can't be dismantled.

So? I use it because it works for me.

[Yume]

You don't because it doesn't.

[Yume]

I wish you the best of luck ever getting usable Meta on me.

Oh, I will. Once this game is over, I'll know your alignment and start your meta profile.

[Yume]

Well, I didn't want to say this, but I guess I have to.

For mastina to be scum, she would have to use her illness as an excuse not to play/feign it. And that goes against her entire characters. That's why I don't see it happening.

[Yume]

why can't she be scum who is legitimately ill

Because that's what your argument against her implies.

[Yume]

To motivate her.

[Yume]

It's also possible for her to be town who is legitimately held back by irl issues.

[Yume]

She did V/LA earlier, for 7-10 days.

[Yume]

VOTE: Cephrir

[Yume]

We should be working together, not against one another.

[Yume]

What?

[Yume]

I'll put my thoughts this way: if only Nancy/Flea/Yume/GE/STD are alive and the game hasn't ended, I'd be massively shocked

Ceph isn't on that list either, so what's your issue with voting him?

[Yume]

If mastina is scum, she won't win. You said it yourself, this game is nightless.

[Yume]

I'll put my thoughts this way: if only Nancy/Flea/Yume/GE/STD are alive and the game hasn't ended, I'd be massively shocked

Ceph isn't on that list either, so what's your issue with voting him?

If mastina is scum, she won't win. You said it yourself, this game is nightless.

We're sort of in the same position then aren't we. Neither slot will live to endgame but we disagree on who it is

So we can vote out Ceph and then mastina, provided the game doesn't end. I don't see what the big deal is.

[Yume]

Me watching you argue:

Spoiler:

[Yume]

VOTE: cephrir

Babe?

ok whatever idc

Cephrir doesn't care guys

I knew three other people who didn't care, and they were all mafia.

[Yume]

So vote Cephrir.

[Yume]

Yes, let's.

[Yume]

If he flips town, I'll eat my shoes. Honest.

[Yume]

If Ceph flips town, I will personally put us up for elim again.

[Yume]

Well, that'll be the first I caught scum without mastina's input.

[Yume]

Joke all you want, but y'all would rather have voted out mastina than Cephrir.

[Yume]

Joke all you want, but y'all would rather have voted out mastina than Cephrir.

I literally switched, I was on the wagon

But you are right had the votes been there I would have preferred mastina

See? You admit it yourself.

[Yume]

Joke all you want, but y'all would rather have voted out mastina than Cephrir.

I literally switched, I was on the wagon

But you are right had the votes been there I would have preferred mastina

Well, there is our perfect victory.

[Yume]

*kicks back and relaxes*

[Yume]

[Yume]

PTs?

[Yume]

No mafia PT?

[Yume]

Mafia PT is still locked.

[Yume]

Well, how did I do, mastina?

[Yume]

Btw since I was uninvolved in the town stomp here, I wanna nominate the town players who

were

most involved in the town stomp but because I never fully read the game, I dunno who the stand-outs were.

Can someone give me some ideas so I can nominate the townies who deserved it?

In terms of challenges, Yume, Gamma Emerald and Flea The Magician all issued them. I'll add in Save The Dragons for a good read on Cephrir

They're not the only one that scumread them, you know.

[Yume]

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Hope to have it in sign ups early next week.

Also, interested in joining the second run with me, mastina?

[Yume]

Never mind actually, since TSQ is in that game and is likely to blacklist me.

[Yume]

Well, there aren't many of those, are there?