Newbie 2108 - Postgame

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Not really. It just isn't.

I think you need to look closer at start of D2.

[Elements]

I thought about that but then I went back and looked at day 1 again and didn't think it anymore

[Elements]

Maybe I'll go back and look at day 1 again

[cactus]

Spoiler:

Have you read posts #917, 918, and 988?
Let's see you do some wagon analysis. What do you think about Aureal's defense of the Meg and Weuler and decision to vanity wagon?

Your 917 and 918 contain next to nothing for wagon analysis. 988 could potentially hold some merit if you can show me evidence? Especially the 'setting people up' part.

Aureal is defending all d1 eod topwagons and acting like she's the smartest person in the game. It absolutely feels like her reads are manufactured for towncred.
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What is your read on Aureal?

Spoiler:

Vanity wagons are scummy

Why?

Put more thought into what you actually want to know. I'll instead answer the question "Why do you think Aureal's vanity vote is scummy?"
Weuler was scummy so Aureal should think Weuler is scum unless she has a reason to not think he's scum
Aureal does not have a reason to think Weuler is town but is defending him.
Therefore, Aureal is scum

Umm, what? No, you said vanity wagons are scummy. I asked why. You then shifted the goalposts to 'Aureal's vanity vote was scummy' which is different to your initial generalisation which I asked about. Another example of you saying things that don't make sense.

Weuler was scummy because you say so? Or I say so? Clearly the people who thought Weuler was scum were wrong so now you're scum reading someone who was correctly town reading Weuler? Having ISO'd Aureal for their Weuler read, I think it flows pretty naturally. What are you seeing?

Why would Town!Aureal defend Weuler? Because Aureal thinks Weuler is towny. Which one of Weuler's post is towny? I asked Aureal this and she keeps linking her own posts, not Weuler's
Why would Mafia defend Weuler? To parade about being right the following day. Oh look, Aureal keeps screaming about how everyone's read on Weuler was wrong and she was right

[Elements]

do you know what it is?

I think you've made it pretty clear, yeah.

do you not agree?

NO SECRET CONVERSATIONS

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[BlueBloodedToffee]

I think you should.

Voting, or not voting, or requesting people to unvote, is important.

[Elements]

Either way I still want to vote Aureal

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Me too

[IdleMuse]

@cactus Is your argument that people who correctly townread Weuler should be scum? Because I did too, and you've been pretty townready on me.

[cactus]

@cactus Is your argument that people who correctly townread Weuler should be scum? Because I did too, and you've been pretty townready on me.

My argument is that people who do not have a reason to townread Weuler is scum
Can you point out which one of Weuler's posts you found towny?

[cactus]

Spoiler:

Hmm, OK. I realise this method is flawed before I say it but Cactus' scum play reminds me of my own.

In this sentence, there is an implied "scum play" at the end, drawn from the parallel with cactus. The sentence would read with the meaning you want if it went "Cactus' play reminds me of my own scum play." The word "scum" has no place in conjunction with "cactus's play" unless you are positioning yourself as possessing knowledge about how cactus plays scum. I cannot think of many ways for you to know that. 1) you and cactus are scum partners, or 2) you have seen cactus play scum somewhere else. You rather rudely refused to elaborate or even correct your mistaken wording. I am left with nothing but those two possibilities or the possibility that you are falsely claiming knowledge about cactus which you do not have, which I find rather scummy also.

Further, the use of a methodology which you yourself acknowledge to be flawed like comparing someone's play to your own and drawing alignment conclusions from it comes off especially strange given your sig.

I'm going to do this once and once only. The word scum is in conjunction with Cactus' play because I am scum reading Cactus, it's that simple. I view Cactus as scum, as such, Cactus' play will be described as scummy. If I could be bothered, I could genuinely find 1,000s of examples of me speaking in definitive terms when not knowing somebody's alignment. You're just gonna have to take my word for it until post-game though.

I'm also not exclusively scum reading Cactus because his scum play resembles mine, but I feel like you already know this.

I would be infuriated if someone kept twisting my words in weird ways. Yet you seem so calm when talking to Aureal. How come?
You also keep defending Aureal with questions and not giving reads. This feels like a distancing play because you're pushing Aureal but don't want anyone else to push her.

[Alianna]

2.07

Votecount 2.07

Aureal (E-1): cactus, Elements, BlueBloodedToffee
Pavowski (1): Brickwalll
Elements (1): IdleMuse

Not Voting (2): Pavowski, Aureal

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-01-14 20:04:17).

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Another example of Cactus saying things that don't make sense.

If anyone is counting.

[cactus]

Can you elaborate on what part doesn't make sense?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

How can I both defend Aureal and create distance?

In what way am I discouraging people from pushing Aureal?

[Pavowski]

I'm gonna hazard a guess that it's the part where you say BBT is pushing Aureal without pushing her while holding her at e-1

[Elements]

Pav do you want to hammer?

[Pavowski]

Not really

[Elements]

who do you want to vote?

[Pavowski]

Despite wanting this accursed day to end

[IdleMuse]

You also keep defending Aureal with questions and not giving reads. This feels like a distancing play because you're pushing Aureal but don't want anyone else to push her.

Yeah what? You're gonna have to explain this one in depth.

[cactus]

Spoiler:

How can I both defend Aureal and create distance?

In what way am I discouraging people from pushing Aureal?

Other way around, Aureal is creating distance with you while you stay disconnected from her

I do see that you are voting Aureal now. Why do you scumread her? You keep asking my why I'm voting Aureal so I thought you were defending her.

[Pavowski]

I don't heckin know because everytime I think I have a decent read on somebody they'll post something that makes me rethink everything I think I've thought in this game

See my recent reads post for my most recent coherent thoughts, I feel like my brain is broken again and now I am the one having secret thoughts

I should've asked for a PT

[Elements]

You keep asking my why I'm voting Aureal so I thought you were defending her.

People often ask others about reads they share if trying to sort them

[cactus]

You also keep defending Aureal with questions and not giving reads. This feels like a distancing play because you're pushing Aureal but don't want anyone else to push her.

Yeah what? You're gonna have to explain this one in depth.

i read 1030 and thought "Wow! Aureal is twisting BBT's words but BBT is still willing to vote with her!"
Specifically this line

Spoiler:

In post 985, Aureal wrote:
Know who else is overly certain? Cactus. Whom you've said is playing like you do when you are scum.

Yeah, we should elim him. Wanna vote him now?

Looking at the context, he was being sarcastic