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[Aristeia]

By the way. I've never once misread Norwe as scum when he's town.

can you provide receipts for this please?

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw thanks for the birthday wishes
I got a pretty weird gift this year: a job!
(It’s not for another 1.5 hours technically but w/e)
Anyway gonna watch celebrity jeopardy brb

[Aristeia]

similarly @ Norwe can you provide a counterexample ? like a game where Shirou reads you incorrectly?

[NorwegianboyEE]

similarly @ Norwe can you provide a counterexample ? like a game where Shirou reads you incorrectly?

Well Fungi Mafia i got by the entire game because Shirou thought i was scummy often but never enough to elim me so i endgamed.
I think there's never been an game where he genuinely read me super incorrectly? So this would be an first to me assuming he's town, which i do think is more likely.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you're not going to provide any reasonings then what's the point of ur push Shirou. Do you think i'm so easily limmable you can just say you got me and that's enough?

[Toto]

Oh yeah I posted that cause they are not contributing much. Like my post count is not that high but I feel Im contributing.

Specially sircakes and bbt have been promising to contribute soon (tm) and pinky promise to read the game which is a bit frustrating and could be a good place to hide beneath all the shitposting as scum

P-edit happy bday!

[Shirou]

If you're not going to provide any reasonings then what's the point of ur push Shirou. Do you think i'm so easily limmable you can just say you got me and that's enough?

I'm gonna provide some reasons tomorrow, just not what I believe to be the meta tell.

Either way Norwe...you seem more interested on knowing why I'm scum reading you rather than having a problem with the read itself?

[Gamma Emerald]

The basis for the read is that I flash caught scum!Norwe last time I played against him

Do you really think I wanna tell you the better meta tells so easily rather than just the old basic "he's contributing less" (which he definitely can and is overcoming through effort which we talked about)

Can you point out some posts that ping you
You don’t need to give any explanation

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you're not going to provide any reasonings then what's the point of ur push Shirou. Do you think i'm so easily limmable you can just say you got me and that's enough?

I'm gonna provide some reasons tomorrow, just not what I believe to be the meta tell.

Either way Norwe...you seem more interested on knowing why I'm scum reading you rather than having a problem with the read itself?

What do you expect? An outrage? I get scumread and tunneled as town almost every game.
It's routine to me at this point, identify cause for the scumread. Try to identify if attacker is town or scum. Dismantle the argument. Try to put focus on the real mafia.

[Shirou]

The basis for the read is that I flash caught scum!Norwe last time I played against him

Do you really think I wanna tell you the better meta tells so easily rather than just the old basic "he's contributing less" (which he definitely can and is overcoming through effort which we talked about)

Can you point out some posts that ping you
You don’t need to give any explanation

This is obviously new info and not the original reasons but I think the fact he's not doubting my alignment if town for reading him incorrectly for the first time ever in his PoV, or seemingly more curious about the reasons why I have this read on him rather than having a huge issue with me scum reading him itself, should tell you near half of the picture.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: norwe
Sheeping Shirou until I'm caught up

[NorwegianboyEE]

The basis for the read is that I flash caught scum!Norwe last time I played against him

Do you really think I wanna tell you the better meta tells so easily rather than just the old basic "he's contributing less" (which he definitely can and is overcoming through effort which we talked about)

Can you point out some posts that ping you
You don’t need to give any explanation

This is obviously new info and not the original reasons but I think the fact he's not doubting my alignment if town for reading him incorrectly for the first time ever in his PoV, or seemingly more curious about the reasons why I have this read on him rather than having a huge issue with me scum reading him itself, should tell you near half of the picture.

Excuse me Shirou but i don't want to be mean to you. You came to the wrong conclusion like Mastina did, like GuiltyLion did. All self-proclaimed "Norwee experts". I said already i don't think you are scum doing this so why would i have issues with your read. Through no fault of mine you came to the wrong conclusion. It's been happening a lot.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I realize you might think you are the biggest expert and Mastina/GultyLion was wrong but you are not, but just because you've known me for long doesn't mean you will get it right everytime. Just like i could easily get you wrong now. But i don't believe i am. You are town tunneling.

[Gamma Emerald]

The basis for the read is that I flash caught scum!Norwe last time I played against him

Do you really think I wanna tell you the better meta tells so easily rather than just the old basic "he's contributing less" (which he definitely can and is overcoming through effort which we talked about)

Can you point out some posts that ping you
You don’t need to give any explanation

This is obviously new info and not the original reasons but I think the fact he's not doubting my alignment if town for reading him incorrectly for the first time ever in his PoV, or seemingly more curious about the reasons why I have this read on him rather than having a huge issue with me scum reading him itself, should tell you near half of the picture.

You know what that’s enough to sell me, a now-banned player had pulled the card you did on Norwee on me in 2 games and we were T/S in one and S/T in another, my reaction as scum was essentially to try and defer the suspicion rather than combat the player because I knew that approach would end me faster. The fun part is Norwee was in that game too for a time.
VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

[NorwegianboyEE]

The basis for the read is that I flash caught scum!Norwe last time I played against him

Do you really think I wanna tell you the better meta tells so easily rather than just the old basic "he's contributing less" (which he definitely can and is overcoming through effort which we talked about)

Can you point out some posts that ping you
You don’t need to give any explanation

This is obviously new info and not the original reasons but I think the fact he's not doubting my alignment if town for reading him incorrectly for the first time ever in his PoV, or seemingly more curious about the reasons why I have this read on him rather than having a huge issue with me scum reading him itself, should tell you near half of the picture.

You know what that’s enough to sell me, a now-banned player had pulled the card you did on Norwee on me in 2 games and we were T/S in one and S/T in another, my reaction as scum was essentially to try and defer the suspicion rather than combat the player because I knew that approach would end me faster. The fun part is Norwee was in that game too for a time.
VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

An previous example of player doing so as scum isn't conclusive that i would also be doing so as scum and not as town. I am a different person, also how do you expect me to have behaved if i am supposedly not scum in this situation. I'm not going to swear or get hyper emotional at Shirou, i could never bring myself to do that.

[Shirou]

You came to the wrong conclusion like Mastina did, like GuiltyLion did. All self-proclaimed "Norwee experts".

Exactly they're self-proclaimed but I'm as close to the real deal as possible so far, that Fungus Mafia game was my first time against scum!you as a player, I wasn't entirely sure what I was seeing was actually scum indicative.

About @Ari "receipts", I don't play a lot in the site so I haven't had many opportunities to play with Norwe, but I did identify scum!him outside of the beetle game as well in a game where his partner was GuiltyLion I believe, and RC/Menalque had a nasty fight. I also guessed/thought as a spectator in his current nomination for third part scummy that he was "specifically not factional scum", rather than "town", because he felt kinda weird although I didn't exactly pinpoint it to third party, just thought it was rather possible.

I didn't even completely read the third party game, just looked at his ISO for a bit.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I still prefer Una as my current flip and will vote there. Mentioning this to keep the focus on the person i scumread.
I intend to fight to protect myself every step of the way.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Exactly they're self-proclaimed but I'm as close to the real deal as possible so far, that Fungus Mafia game was my first time against scum!you as a player, I wasn't entirely sure what I was seeing was actually scum indicative.

That doesn't give you a free pass to vote me without properly explaining your reasoning.
Well technically it does. But that really isn't a good way to play the game of mafia, just in general.

[Shirou]

You came to the wrong conclusion like Mastina did, like GuiltyLion did. All self-proclaimed "Norwee experts".

Exactly they're self-proclaimed but I'm as close to the real deal as possible so far, that Fungus Mafia game was my first time against scum!you as a player, I wasn't entirely sure what I was seeing was actually scum indicative.

About @Ari "receipts", I don't play a lot in the site so I haven't had many opportunities to play with Norwe, but I did identify scum!him outside of the beetle game as well in a game where his partner was GuiltyLion I believe, and RC/Menalque had a nasty fight. I also guessed/thought as a spectator in his current nomination for third part scummy that he was "specifically not factional scum", rather than "town", because he felt kinda weird although I didn't exactly pinpoint it to third party, just thought it was rather possible.

I didn't even completely read the third party game, just looked at his ISO for a bit.

Of course, given I didn't send my thought or guesses to anyone due to it being ongoing games, I can't provide 100% proof of it other than the games I did play with him, but you can basically consider me near confirmed scum levels if I'm wrong with all this history right?

I'm fine being eliminated tomorrow in that scenario.

[Shirou]

Exactly they're self-proclaimed but I'm as close to the real deal as possible so far, that Fungus Mafia game was my first time against scum!you as a player, I wasn't entirely sure what I was seeing was actually scum indicative.

That doesn't give you a free pass to vote me without properly explaining your reasoning.
Well technically it does. But that really isn't a good way to play the game of mafia, just in general.

Yeah I know, for ethical reasons I should explain myself soon

[Shirou]

I'm fine being eliminated tomorrow in that scenario.

Maybe.

[Shirou]

I guess I was being too cute there, I shouldn't be eliminated here regardless of flip because I'm pretty sure I'm quite obvtown by this point as Una pointed out

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't really believe there is a lot of stuff you can use that will be convincing as an argument except your history.

[Shirou]

I don't really believe there is a lot of stuff you can use that will be convincing as an argument except your history.

We'll see

[NorwegianboyEE]

If it’s fluffpost or lack of solving/half-solving, i often do that as town. Especially in games where i have a lot of fun and like the players. Also very typical for day 1.