Alright. I know I'm sometimes liable to try and find things that support my pre-existing view, so I will genuinely approach this with an open mind. The most legible way for me to do this is to get right into the text, I'll write inIn post 2002, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I think lycanfire and prince of paterson have also raised good points about KA fwiw
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In post 1812, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I'm scumreading you for reasons outlined below:
Spoiler:In post 1594, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:The reasoning behind their reads feels kind of superficial - 1425 explains one example.In post 1554, HighPrincessErinys wrote:Wanna elaborate a bit on the Kitten scumread?In post 1545, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:New reads: I think KittyTacky, UltimateGamer (Ythan), and Gimli (Vaxkiller) are town. Kitten around is scum.I agree with the basic point here, scum could easily say mod-confirmed when fakeclaiming. It definitely seems like an unconvincing reason for a read. The phrase 'I don't think she' feels like that could be a meta read on Titus by kitten, but I don't know.
When they engage the thread, they're asking a lot of surface-level questions 1311, 1319, 1435. Asking questions is okay, but I think they're doing it an awful lot relative to their other contributions.Too many questions - the game that comes to mind for me is Newbie 2101 (yes this is relevant!). I was scumreading MegAzumarill for the same thing, and they were a Mason in that game so they were sort of putting all their reads in the PT and not much in the main thread. Since that game I haven't really used the 'too many questions' thing as a scumtell. It's definitely possible for town players to have a lot of thoughts about the game but only use the thread as a source of information for themselves rather than a journal.
Read their ISO - can you tell who they think is scum? It's hard to tell, because they're not pushing or making waves, but instead are just flying under the radar.I can now after they started posting more, but at the time this post was written by CSF I definitely couldn't, having gone through their ISO. I do consider lack of scumreads a general scumtell, and kitten wasn't shy about pushing players actively in their one completed towngame that I read. This is the most convincing point so far.In post 1608, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:That's a pretty accurate description yeah. In general, I think scum tend to fit this profile more often than not: not doing anything wildly strange to stand out, but not pushing the game forward either.In post 1606, Gimli wrote:I ISO'd them and could be scum, playing very safe in general, but I couldn't find any specific post or a general atittude that feels scummyIn post 1605, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:What do y'all think of kitten around?In post 1615, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:kitten around more active in this game as town: viewtopic.php?t=90036&f=51&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=GoIn post 1614, furtiveglance wrote:Haven't played with kitten around so I'm not sure whether they're usually like this, but based on their ISO I'd put them in the low end of null. What do you think of Lycanfire and Paterson? I have them all sort of nullIn post 1608, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:That's a pretty accurate description yeah. In general, I think scum tend to fit this profile more often than not: not doing anything wildly strange to stand out, but not pushing the game forward either.In post 1606, Gimli wrote:I ISO'd them and could be scum, playing very safe in general, but I couldn't find any specific post or a general atittude that feels scummyIn post 1605, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:What do y'all think of kitten around?I think in a game this large there are inevitably a few players matching this description. I'm surprised that CSF used this same logic to push kitten aroundandto defend both McMenno and Not_Mafia today. What's the difference between them?
They exhibited a certain zeal for scumhunting that I do not see here.I read this game and they do seem to be more active, but equally in this game they've become more active recently.
Lycanfire I had as town yesterday but need to hear from him more today. Paterson feels okay so far but also need more.In post 1790, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Of course she has reads. Even scum are going to have reads to fake contribution.In post 1777, Ranger wrote:I feel this is overly harsh. Nearly every post, kitten around has made relevant posts about topical reads. 345, 627, 834, 998, 1002, 1074, 1296, 1688, 1689, 1694, have reads.In post 1594, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Read their ISO - can you tell who they think is scum? It's hard to tell, because they're not pushing or making waves, but instead are just flying under the radar.
617, 618, 624, 625, 627, 833, 1002, 1017, 1023, 1034, 1057, 1058, 1064, 1097, 1556, have relevant commentary.
That's 23 / 39 of her posts. She feels like she's contributed plenty.
But she has like a handful of townreads, and that's it.She's commenting on things but doesn't feel emotionally invested in the discussion and isn't getting into the thick of it.It might just be that this post is slightly out of date, but I've felt the exact opposite of emotional detachment, especially in the post of theirs I quoted earlier (about angrily wanting to 1v1 someone or other)In post 1793, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:In that game, she was only in the game for 2 real-life days before Day 2 ended. That's a lot of posting...In post 1783, Ranger wrote:So I read that iso and I don't think it's actually different from here. That was an entire game, where kitten around replaced in during a time there was also plenty of content. Here kitten around has been playing from the beginning and the game isn't remotely close to over. She made 40 posts on that game's D2 as a replacement who had 56 pages' worth of content to read. That's comparable to her rate here imo.In post 1615, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:kitten around more active in this game as town: viewtopic.php?t=90036&f=51&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go
But to add onto that, you say things like 1688 with no follow up read on either Math or Prince, so your solving just looks really superficial.This is a good point, but again I think it applies to multiple players, partly due to the number of players. If you want your vote to count there has to be appetite for a wagon really, so I can see why kitten might vote for a more consensus scumread. From their ISO it looks like Prince is still a scumread and no mention of MathBlade.
Spoiler: Lycanfire
In post 1807, Lycanfire wrote:Looking back kitten around is pretty sus as hell. We literally let kitten around just chainsaw quiet owl all eod1, it's their entire content but it was such a clusterfuck nobody called them on it. I'll grab some quotes, but I'd say this slot is way scummier over Quiet Owl, but reads s-s. Let me refresh myself.In post 1722, HighPrincessErinys wrote:What's your thoughts on kitten and McMenno?In post 1721, Lycanfire wrote:prodge, will be in a distracted state for the next few hours but available to talk when i am here
Mathblade brought attention back to the Multiball tell Ranger and I were discussing d1, but kitten around is the one that wants to step in to defend quiet owl's honor? What threat did Mathblade really present to Quiet Owl here and is his 1008 really that narrative building that kitten around needed to inject themselves into this?In post 998, kitten around wrote:I’ve been trying to stay caught up with this game but explain to me how this is getting votes? This reads like a transparently townie thought process.This feels quite sensationalist from Lycanfire. This post assumes S/S based on kitten townreading QO, which seems like really level 1 logic. Besides, if kitten is 'way scummier', how does it 'read S/S'?
Bonus round:In post 1017, kitten around wrote:I don’t understand why thinking it could be multiball is bad? Anything and everything is possible in an Xyzzy game. I’ve seen alignment changes and jesters in some of their past games for example, so I think game being not only bastard but mech complex is quite likely.
[In response to frogsterking suspecting over Quiet Owl in 1055]In post 1057, kitten around wrote:You seem very tunnelled and you’re ignoring really blatant things like Titus saying Imaginality was mod confirmed.
Sure, this was a good take d1, but kitten was using this easy to digest take to kneecap something COMPLETELY irrelevant wrt Frogster's 1055. It's cool just how heavily they believed the mason idea though at the end of the page:
In post 1074, kitten around wrote:I don’t have a full list yet but rnIn post 1067, Frogsterking wrote:Kittens go ahead and post a reads list whenever your ready.
my strongest town reads are on the mason claims, STD, MT.
I’m sorry I don’t have any more confident reads yet.I think this is jumping on kitten for calling flipped town tunnelled, but sort of ignoring the reality of the tunnelling, which was actually pretty annoying for everyone. As for believing the mason claim, I agreed at the time and still do.
Holy fuck the fear is real
Potential partners - Quiet Owl and Ythan (UltimateGamer) are up there. Pretty extensive defenses of both of these slots when they were possible wagons d1.
Let's goo VOTE: kitten around
McMenno - disliked them the entire game probably because I knew they'd be low content. Their post about how this is possibly still multiball is annoying because Frogster flipping as he did is supposed to help our ability to read players, not hinder it. I think scumreading them just because I disagree is pretty low, but they're not really offering much content anyway. Kitten around vote lacks harmony with their quiet owl read, and it seems survivalistic, but McMenno is probably the silly kind of town player that would do something scummy as some sort of sick idea of looking town.
Anyways, thanks for trying to drag me back into the game. You're a good doll.
Spoiler: Prince of Paterson:
In post 1963, Prince of Paterson wrote:Do you have any posts you can quote that explain the origin of your belief that the primary reason for you getting run up was that you had an unpopular read? Where did this idea come from? My understanding of the primary reason for why you were getting run up was that you weren't scumhunting and didn't have a town mindset and it had nothing to do with any unpopular reads.In post 1962, kitten around wrote:I’m assuming it’s either because I defended QA or because I misunderstood Titus’ claim but I know at least one person posited me as buddies with them and Titus is voting me for apparently being a UG buddy now? lol. I’m extremely fascinated how people are even coming up with these wild takes.In post 1851, Prince of Paterson wrote:Clarify which unpopular read of yours is the reason why you're getting run up, please.In post 1822, kitten around wrote:This is awesome. I’m basically getting run up because I apparently had an unpopular reaad
I would like to know what made you believe otherwise, because for someone who believes strongly that there is scum pushing your wagon, it doesn't feel like you have made any real attempts to even understand why people are voting you. That to me seems like it would be a prerequisite to determining who is pushing you maliciously.
Treating all of the suspicion as an undifferentiated block, being unsure who has what reasons, and being unsure what the reasons even are, seems more likely to be a result of scum knowing that the push is all coming from town. In the eyes of the mafia, town are all the same and the details of the reasons don't matter because the result is correct. Believing strongly that there is scum on the wagon but still treating the people on the wagon as interchangeable is at best negligent from town, but much more likely to be a result of viewing the game from a scum perspective.I disagree with the premise that not specifying who is scum pushing kitten is in itself suspicious. It's quite common for town to have a gameview based on paranoia, especially certain users.
In post 1977, Prince of Paterson wrote:Reasoning behind McMenno? I don't think believing that there is at least one scum voting you qualifies as a confident scumread because again, it doesn't appear that you have read or understood the reasons why people are voting you. In order to determine who is scum voting you, it would be prudent of you to investigate on that subject. Your lack of interest in doing so is suspicious to me.In post 1967, kitten around wrote:As I already told to Gimli, fair enough but I didn’t have any confident scumreads but now I do and it thinks it’s extremely naive to think there’s not at least one scum voting me and rn, McMenno is my best guess for that.McMenno didn't give a reason for their vote.
I don't usually do massive posts about other players, but nothing better to do on Friday night so here we are. In conclusion, I do still think kitten around is town, I think their emotion is genuine and I buy their view of the game. Reading some of CSF, Lycanfire and Prince of Paterson's posting, I think CSF and Prince of Paterson look town, but I'm scumreading Lycanfire. I think they could be jumping on kitten around after CSF paved the way.
let's hecking interact! How are you feeling about Kitten? How about Quiet Owl? What's your current town block right now? Or scum block for that matter?
