i designed this setup in 2019 [game over]

[HighPrincessErinys]

Hopefully KA flips soon and we can speculate further from there with the knowledge of their alignment.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Spoiler: Elements

VOTE: quiet owl

VOTE: kitten around

VOTE: not_mafia

VOTE: mcmenno
I'm tired and v/la this weekend so I'll probably keep just sheeping the biggest wagon if and when I check in until monday

Lots of votes on VOTE: kitten around

UNVOTE:

VOTE: mcmenno

VOTE: kitten around

they just were voting whomever, not really partner indicative

I have to head out soon. But one impression I had was that the counterwagons needed some extra oomph if they were to be serious contenders at the end. The louder people were pushing KA

[Lycanfire]

Was busy texting, soz

Jan 10 - [$17 &0] - 1 mention (CSF drops a few reads, KA as scum.), 1 mention (Prince of Paterson basically +1's previous post), 1 mention (Erinys asking CSF to elaborate KA read), 1 mention (CSF isodives KA, responds to Erinys previous post), 1 mention (2 hours after previous post- CSF asks what people about opinion of KA, between the pages people were talking about Titus SB and McMenno miller roles), 1 mention (Gimli responds to CSF and it essentially boils down to 'nullscum'), 1 mention (Mathblade not happy that discussion moved from Titus, doesn't want McMenno, could go for KA), 1 mention (CSF responds to Gimli read, says the reason they feel KA is nullscum is why KA is scum), 1 mention (furtive involves themselves in CSF-Gimli discussion, says KA is nullscum, asks for reads on myself/Paterson), 1 mention (CSF responds to Furtive, says KA had more conviction in another game and KA's inaction here is why they're busted.), 1 mention (CSF responding to Titus asking about a McMenno vote, says they're indifferent, reservations about miller, wants to see who's down for QO and KA), 1 mention (Mathblade re: previous post, "Down for either"), 1 mention (CSF votes kitten around), 1 mention (Titus re: previous post, "not kitten fine with owl"), 1 mention (Erinys re: previous post, "This one is willing to go for McMenno, QO and somewhat Kitten"), 1 mention (Mathblades votes KA), 1 mention (Titus re: Erinys. Asks it to vote McMenno, says even if

disagree with kitten,

dual wagons are good

*), 1 mention (CSF re: Titus, "why not KA" says Titus' read of town d1 lim will allow inactive scums to allow TvT allows for possibility of KA), 1 mention (Titus re: previous post, gut vibe KA is town), 1 mention (Prince of Paterson votes KA),

* A good marker here to look for countervoting and doubtcasting as Titus basically gave people permission. 1661
###No. Of discounted Titus interactions: 2 (fell into "hows the weather" category where she was explaining basic stuff to KA)

[Cat Scratch Fever]

This one is willing to go for McMenno, QO and somewhat Kitten, it'd say. Which, p-edit: seems to be a bit of a consensus.

Vote McMenno? Even if I disagree with the kitten wagon, dueling wagons is good.

Sounds good to this one. VOTE: McMenno

After 1661, hpe was the only one to join mcmenno. There was another mcmenno wagon later but the wagon comp was v different.

[Lycanfire]

Jan 11 - [$ &1] - 1 mention (Gimli responds with frustration wrt to Mathblade only talking about Titus, says they want to talk about Erinys, KA, "other slots", asks Mathblade to discuss it with them.), 1 mention (Titus encourages Gimli post to Mathblade), 1 mention (Erinys prompts me to talk about KA/McMenno), 1 interaction (CSF asks KA why "one of Mathblade/Paterson" is scum, also says they think they're town), 1 mention (UltimateGamer, doesn't "HATE the KA wagon", says they're null, pretty big post about Titus/imaginality and how they're their preference), 1 mention (McMenno votes KA), 1 mention (Ranger, "strong distaste for McMenno, KA wagons", suggests Gamma->QO->Titus/imaginality), 1 mention (Ranger responds to second post of Jan 10, calls CSF's assessment harsh, says KA has contributed)***, 1 mention (Gimli mentions multiball may be obscuring their reads on people 'wolfy but reasonable', "like kitten/UG/princess/owl", pedit responds to Ranger saying they also do not want to flip KA today), 1 mention (Ranger, doesn't like the "top two wagons" (McMenno, KA), 1 mention (Ranger adds to previous KA post, says their activity level seems consistent with other games), 1 mention (CSF responds re: ranger, says of scum will try to have reads, dislikes that KA has very few townreads), 1 mention (CSF re: ranger. says in the game Ranger referenced that KA was only in the game for 48 hours), 1 mention (Gimli votes KA, makes a reference to their ISO), 1 mention (CSF, says KA and QO are good competing wagons), 1 mention (Mathblade likes both QA/KA wagons, but also likes Ranger not being for KA)

** Early Jan 11 Gimli says they didn't like any of the wagons 1776
*** Interestingly, one of KA's "relevant commentary" posts that Ranger likes is just a blank post discussing multiball, which frogster took issue with because both KA and QO were just greasing the thread about multiball d1
**** Another milestone: Mathblade, "wanna protest wagon with me?" 1782

[Lycanfire]

above post is $15, &1 in terms of $MENTION &INTERACTION. I hit ctrl z instead of ctrl x when moving the next days over to my next post

[Lycanfire]

Jan 12 - [$14 &6] - 1 mention (Lycanfire re: Erinys. Didn't like KA/QO, didn't like how KA was responding to frogsterking, didn't like KA's reads, votes KA), 1 interaction (CSF, re: KA, "what did you do in the hood that I should be town reading you for?"), 1 interaction (CSF, re: KA. reiterates their previous posts about their topical reads/activity/conviction, dislikes that KA didn't answer previous post about why Math/Paterson has a scum in them), 1 interaction (CSF re: KA, tells KA they don't really care if they aren't convincing KA that KA is scum, but asks KA to acknowledge whether any of the reads seem legitimate), 1 mention (imaginality, likes Ranger QO/Gamma reads, views KA as a potential partner, says QO has higher scum equity), 1 mention (Gimli, doesn't view KA as townie, asks for opinions on UltimateGamer), 1 interaction (Gimli re: KA 1 interaction (Gimli asks KA about Ythan/UltimateGamer slot), 1 mention (Erinys, votes KA, encourages CSF/Lycanfire reads on KA, wants any of QO/KA). 1 interaction (Prince of Paterson, questions KA on what unpopular read they feel like they are being strung up for), 1 mention (UltimateGamer, responds to furtive 1819, doesn't like trajectory on McMenno, thinks Furtive is townie(? wording is unclear) for asking that question, likes KA/feels they're genuine/likes their attempt at VCA), 1 mention (Titus, comparing QO's vote count where they both take a look at the competing wagons of KA/QO), 1 mention (CSF, asks UltimateGamer/Gimli to vote KA, thinks QO refusing to claim is townie), 1 mention (CSF +1's Paterson's post questioning KA), 1 mention (CSF, asks NM to read KA and help lim them), 1 mention (Gimli, votes KA), 1 mention (NM re: CSF, says they will hammer), 1 mention (UltimateGamer, has the opposite opinion of Paterson/CSF on KA 1822, says they will look into KA), 1 mention (UltimateGamer, follows up with isodive. concludes its nulltown. disagrees with Math/Paterson reads but seems unconcerned that they're dodging (1) why KA scumreads them and (2) what unpopular read is getting them strung up? feels like they are trying to not look like a partner and failing tbh), 1 mention (UltimateGamer, rather rude post to NM asks about KA/QO/ any townreads/scumreads, sure I guess they have never played with NM but treating NM like shit won't really do anything)

***** Furtive brings attention to McMenno 1819 I disliked this post because it seemed like people were interested in them because they claimed miller, but were voting them because of perceived coasting
****** I feel the nothingburger response to Gimli 1836 has negative partner equity. if I were a teammate of KA I'd be pissed if i set them up to create content and they responded like this. sure, there's a chance it's a negative partner equity post on purpose, but that would mean two things - 1) KA team has given up on the slot, and I'm not sure if the game state reads this way and 2) Gimli is a bus slot. Simpler take is that they're not scumpartners.

####No. of ignored NM mentions: 1. meme post.

[Lycanfire]

just more thread stuffing before eod

I'll compromise to Not_Mafia to save kitten around, but I'd prefer we actually make a meaningful elimination and not let the likes of {Quiet Owl, Gamma Emerald} get away free just because the most suspect slots in the game are united in voting kitten around and have a few town players who think kitten around is scum

with

the suspect slots in spite of the suspect slots voting kitten around.

The kitten around wagon is garbage and filled with logical inconsistencies. Its momentum is unnatural, and I guarantee it'll be just another Frogsterking.

Spoiler: Vote count at Ranger post

6 players voting for kitten around (Cat Scratch Fever, Prince of Paterson, McMenno, Lycanfire, Titus)
5 players voting for Quiet Owl (MathBlade, UltimateGamer, Ranger, imaginality, HighPrincessErinys)
2 players voting for Gamma Emerald (Gamma Emerald, Not_Mafia)
2 players voting for McMenno (furtiveglance, kitten around)
2 player voting for Not_Mafia (Gimli, Elements)
1 player voting for Cat Scratch Fever (Enchant)

3 players not voting (Quiet Owl, GeorgeBailey, KittyTacky)

with 20 votes, it takes 11 to eliminate.

but the above vote count has a high amount of towns from Ranger's last tier list (admittedly at start a day, but the reiterations they have made in RL days since then is just a whole lotta tunnelfucking

Spoiler: Ranger last tier list

{HighPrincessErinys, Cat Scratch Fever, MathBlade, Prince of Paterson, Gimli}
{Lycanfire}
{KittyTacky}
{Elements}
{UltimateGamer}
{McMenno}
{kitten around}
{Not_Mafia, Enchant, GeorgeBailey}
{furtiveglance}
{Quiet Owl}
{Gamma Emerald}
---
{Titus, imaginality}

Leans more town than scum intersected with KA wagon at time of post:
6 players voting for kitten around (

Cat Scratch Fever, Prince of Paterson, McMenno, Lycanfire

, Titus)

Also- I thought Titus was 3p, Ranger?

[Lycanfire]

Jan 13 - [$9 &3] - 1 mention (Titus brings focus to UltimateGamer/1887 which TBH is rolefishy as fuck, says UltimateGamer treatment of Owl doesn't match their votes on Owl, says KA is a good partner of UltimateGamer, votes KA), 1 mention (Elements, votes KA), 1 mention (Ranger, will "compromise on NM to save kitten around", says the most suspect slots in the game are voting KA, and won't let QO/Gamma get away because of it.

bonus: vote count interacted with reads in above post

, says KA wagon is garbage, filled with inconsistencies, will be "another frogsterking"), 1 mention (Kittytacky, says KA is town, votes Quiet Owl), 1 mention (Furtive, says QO/KA looks town based on meta, still believes in McMenno scum, nulls NM but efforts a bit and says they seem off, seems to vote them to do something other than QO/KA), 1 interaction (Prince of Paterson tells KA for the third time to answer their post [KA now responds 2 posts later]), 1 interaction (Prince of Paterson, disagrees with KA take, says they're scummy because they aren't scumhunting, points out that someone that says they have scum voting them they aren't explaining why any of them are scum.), 1 interaction (Prince of Paterson, asks KA why McMenno is scum voting them. in 1967 KA says they didn't have confident scumreads but they do now, but seems to admit they have no reasoning on McMenno in 1980), 1 mention (CSF, townreads Titus post regarding UG/QO/KA), 1 mention (Furtive re CSF, says they read CSF case and didn't agree, makes a post to re-evaluate later), 1 interaction (Ranger, says to kitten "As a general rule, a player who fits as scum with everyone is scum with no one. People keep saying you're scum with everyone, when..."), 1 mention (Furtive, thinks CSF makes a good point re: KA and their lack of consistent scumreads, says myself/Lycanfire is "sensationalist" wrt to KA, doesn't like how i vote KA despite the s-s KA/QO comment, thinks KA suspecting McMenno is fine because McMenno didn't give a reason for their vote, but neither did KA other than a cryptic "scum on my wagon" post , still thinks KA is town, CSF/Paterson townpushes on KA, myself/Lycanfire scumpush on KA), 1 mention (QO re CSF on readspost, says their 1440 is still current, KA still in town), 1 mention (CSF re: furtive, says KA likes town and should have more conviction whereas the other lurkers don't really do much anyway)

******** Feel like Ranger/ 1931 is another good point in time to look for countering
********* Furtive post 2037 has potential for intentional countering

#####No. of discarded Gimli interactions: 1. Probably a misquote when they voted NM.

[Lycanfire]

Jan 14 - [$19 &3] - 1 mention (Titus re: Gimli on enchant, will look into them. asked Gimli on what they think of KA/UltimateGamer), 1 mention (Gimli, says UG ISO looks very townie, says they will ISO KA and get back to her...*** 1 interaction (Gimli, says Frogster called kitten TMIing QO day 1), 1 interaction (bianocospino, remarks there's dissonance between what KA was saying d1 wrt QO.), 1 mention (Gimli, re: bianocospino "that's the part where he catches her yeah"), 1 mention (Gimli votes KA), 1 mention (Prince of Paterson, asks Gimli why they previously called the wagon garbage, what is changing their mind on KA), 1 mention (Gimli re: Paterson, +1's biancospino's post and says their first ISO looked more innocuous), 1 mention (Erinys votes KA, says vigs can take care of lurkers), 1 mention (Prince of Paterson, says vote is not leaving KA until lim. asks for people to get more votes on KA. says it's rare for all scum to be in the lurkers), 1 mention (biancospino votes KA), 1 mention (Elements votes KA), 1 mention (Gimli, "very likely KA flips scum", says defense of QO d1 does not come from town), 1 mention (Quiet owl re: Titus doesn't like how UltimateGamer is treating {Gamma, KA} differently from themselves), 1 mention (Mathblade questions dissonance in Gimli's KA-QO reads****), 1 interaction (Gimli, puts the d1 quotes together. KA seems very uninterested in QO's 906 but is willing to say it's townie despite not seeming to read it - granted, QO was talking about multiball in other posts

but that was a good 10-12 posts AFTER KA liked QO for doing mod meta??

), 1 mention (Mathblade, "I can see a KA+QO team I just would rather get who scum don’t want."), 1 mention (imaginality votes KA), 1 mention (Ranger, Gimli town, KA town, "The majority of the wagon's voters are still suspect"), 1 mention (Ranger, re: Gimli says it makes more sense to flip Owl first if we want to assume KA TMI'ed Owl? Says kitten is town, "quite strongly"), 1 mention (QO, questions Gimli re: KA TMI. asks why Gimli thinks KA had TMIed QO when it's an easier conclusion to come to that both KA and QO are scum), 1 mention (CSF asks QO to vote KA, asks if they have a read on the slot), 1 mention (Gimli, says QO isn't understanding their posts and asks them to vote KA), 1 mention (Lycanfire, says a preference in kitten around as I felt they could be TMIing QO with the hard d1 defense, would lim any {ultimategamer, QO, KA}, doubting reasons for ranger and math to be resistant to the wagon)

*** At this point I realized I made a mistake with my previous comment when Gimli said they ISOed KA when they voted KA two days previous, they were referring to KA's ISO in another game that CSF was referencing. I was excited that I perhaps caught something interesting here, but I misunderstood the original comment. I'll try to amend that when I reformat the post.
**** This is something furtive questioned me on as well. I think it's entirely possible that KA was cashing in on a townflip owl d1 and tmiing the fuck out of them to look good, simply by how hard they went for it. Gimli put all the quotes together here
#####No. discarded biancospino interactions: 1. Felt like it was fluffy role stuff
#####No. discarded McMenno interactions: 1. Not relevant to gameplay

[Lycanfire]

Jan 15 - [$20 &0] - 1 mention (Quiet Owl doesn't see how defending a townie helps a scum player, still votes KA), 1 mention (UltimateGamer, reconciles Titus' read regarding conflicting NM/McMenno reads, says they just disliked NM and wanted a lim, doesn't feel comfortable with KA, interesting language about self doubt, "something in my jellies is telling me that this is wrong", fading scumread on QO, votes Enchant, says Gimli is buddying them, doesn't like it, adds further doubt to KA wagon by saying being asked to vote along with Gimli "raised the hair on the back of my neck" and "rubbed them wrong", slight scumread on myself/Lycanfire), 1 mention (Ranger, prods for inconsistency re: CSF's QO "not claiming" read), 1 mention (Ranger elaborates previous comment, less side-swipey, more meat), 1 mention (biancospino asks Erinys which posts in the hood they're scumreading KA over), 1 mention (Furtive says hello and says they still think KA is town), 1 mention (Gimli encourages Enchant to vote KA), 1 mention (Gimli mentions they have some indecision on KA AtE, says majority of play is scum, questions Furtive on KA townread), 1 mention (Gimli, really just posting votes, but definitely keeps the wagon in consideration by doing so), 1 mention (Enchant votes KA), 1 mention (Kittytacky promises a catch up, wanted to say they think KA is town), 1 mention (Furtive re: Gimli. Says they townread KA emotion... but I don't see it??? The only mention of KA emotion is when Furtive said it was a reasonable take to be paranoid about scum on your own wagon?), 1 mention (Furtive, scumreads McMenno/Lycanfire, didn't like Elements vote on KA, asked Gimli if they have changed their mind on McMenno or if they scumread KA more), 1 mention (Gimli confirms they scumread KA more, really nothing new here Gimli has been repeating why for awhile), 1 mention (Gimli, says the only townie looking post of KA that Furtive brought up was from another game, could see KA emotions as genuine), 1 mention (Gimli votes KA), 1 mention (Elements votes KA), 1 mention (Enchant votes KA), 1 mention (Gimli votes KA), 1 mention (NM hammers KA)

#####No. discarded Ranger comments: 1. Felt like it was just matter of facty

eh i spent long enough on this i think people can make their own conclusions gonna go life for awhile

[Gimli]

thanks for the work in the thread, lycan. lock clearing you of course, hope you get protection at night

[UltimateGamer]

I am having one HELL of a time following what you've written up there but Wow you clearly put a lot of effort into this holy cow! I did catch this part:

UltimateGamer, rather rude post to NM asks about KA/QO/ any townreads/scumreads, sure I guess they have never played with NM but treating NM like shit won't really do anything

I was hoping someone would pick up on this so I didn't have to just look like an asshole for no reason. I was deliberately trying to get NM mad, that maybe if I antagonized him enough he'd engage with me and I'd be able to get a better read. It KINDA worked but not really. I was going to push further but I chickened out because I don't like being a bitch to people unless it's mutual banter.

[UltimateGamer]

And no I've never played with NM or any of y'all before this is my first game here!

I also like that right after I tell Lycan that he's making just enough effort to not be noticed too much that he gives this big ol analytical deep dive. Like "oh shit they're onto me, better look like I'm participating and quick!"

[Gimli]

Lycan is ~never scum

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Agreed. That's a hilariously uncharitable read.

[Quiet Owl]

And no I've never played with NM or any of y'all before this is my first game here!

I also like that right after I tell Lycan that he's making just enough effort to not be noticed too much that he gives this big ol analytical deep dive. Like "oh shit they're onto me, better look like I'm participating and quick!"

shows that you haven't really read anything they've posted

[UltimateGamer]

shows that you haven't really read anything they've posted

I've been trying but it is incredibly difficult for me to follow that's not a slight against them either it really does look like they put a lot of effort into it. I'm still sitting here reading and re-reading it because whenever I get more than a sentence into it my brain just starts thinking about thing like "why doesn't glue stick to the inside of the bottle?"

Happens anytime someone posts long walls of solid text.

[Gimli]

But then you sus lycan's work anyway?

[UltimateGamer]

Also it was more tongue in cheek, my scum read on Lycan is still only slight, but could someone tell me why that sort of thing can never be mafia?

Is it because of the effort it takes and how that's not something scum usually does?

[Not_Mafia]

holy cow

Yes?

[Not_Mafia]

Can someone explain to me what garbled unformatted mess that Lycan keeps posting is, why I'm expected to care about it and why Gimli seems to think this sort of 'effort' is a reason for a townread?

[Lycanfire]

It all looks rather silly on a KA townflip but otherwise I've negated several partners just by how they've treated the slot and created many must kill townies, pointed numerous people that will get my pressure tomorrow and nobody can really say I have some weird trajectory going on because I unnecessarily locked myself into it in twilight, not to mention I didn't exactly feel like I'd be around tomorrow. That was more because I felt like I was at the tipping point of the wagon where nothing else was sticking afterward, but other voices (CSF, Paterson, later Gimli) are more of a reason why McMenno/NM/QO didn't happen. I really don't act like this as scum: people tend to think my town efforting is some elaborate narrative building because it can seem intense. I have a hard time replicating it as scum because my play as town is meant to be optimal even if it creates cracks in my scumgame. You can reference large normal 218 if you like for a tryhardy scum game, but honesty it was just me metadiving every single player and squirting narrative out of my ass.

The reason why I wanted you to state a read on my UltimateGamer is because I wanted to lock you into something at that point in time. Really harms you if you're scum, you see.

[Lycanfire]

Can someone explain to me what garbled unformatted mess that Lycan keeps posting is, why I'm expected to care about it and why Gimli seems to think this sort of 'effort' is a reason for a townread?

It's more like reference material NM. I don't expect anyone to do anything with it today.

[UltimateGamer]

The reason why I wanted you to state a read on my UltimateGamer is because I wanted to lock you into something at that point in time. Really harms you if you're scum, you see.

Oh that's interesting! And not a bad idea honestly. But to be fair I COULD just say that as scum, like, scum or town can just be wrong. But I do see how hard stances are more difficult to give as scum

Can someone explain to me what garbled unformatted mess that Lycan keeps posting is, why I'm expected to care about it and why Gimli seems to think this sort of 'effort' is a reason for a townread?

You are my favorite person in this game now by the way.