i think a universe where shirou and tgp are scum together is highly unlikely. so postulates that both could be scum (fire) or that we should kill both (toto) pique me a little. i could be wrong on that but that's where i'm at now.
i'll be honest, i came into this thinking shirou scum and tgp town, but reading stuff again makes me wonder.
the case for TGP being scum:
his shirou progression is just weird. He sees and quotes support for shirou being scum in order to vote shirou, hoping others would jump at the chance to vote shirou (
1076). He presents a strange argument in
1176 that's about as easy to track as his avatar. but then he unvotes because shirou is efforting (
1328). it could be he's not seeing the traction he thought he would get from voting shirou so he's resigned to mimic the behavior of the rest of the town by not voting shirou, but that may be a stretch. but he doesn't really give an example of shirou solving the game. the hammer was a little weird too.
the case for shirou being scum:
this one's a little more loosey goosey. shirou is all over the place this game. his reads, his strategies, he's trying everything and anything and i think he could easily be doing it to sway and gain control over and over again. His norwee gambit was something else, i guess i'm not sure scum does it, but it would be funny if they were partners. but i don't think that at this time. it would just be funny. ahem. it could be a method to see how much control over the thread he has, however.
this is a minor point, but if i were scum shirou, even if i wanted to play with a town una, i would probably rather get rid of someone i knew well rather than some rando if i had thread control. i think a lot of people (or maybe just me) were a little lost and easily subjected to persuasion.
but i also want to call attention to this:
In post 1450, Shirou wrote:
I'm surprised.
Historically commenting about the nightkill this way is kinda scum indicative and I avoid doing it because of that regardless of alignment, but this NK is so weird to me that I'm kinda "flabbergasted".
Even if scum didn't want to kill me, it really surprises me that they didn't kill Norwee. It, in fact, makes almost no sense to me except if I take a few convenient explanations and I don't want directly go into that. I need to reconsider this game.
it's interesting that shirou comments on the night kill, but prefaces it with "i know it's scummy to do so" to try and alleviate any blowback. but he kind of ignores aubrey who does the same thing pretty much in
1413.
also it's interesting he says norwee should have been killed, which is playing into my now paranoia that shirou and norwee are partners. *sweatdrop*.
