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[Cat Scratch Fever]

What were some things that made you townread Shirou on a reread?

[Aubrey]

To be honest the thing that busts my balls is the whole rush at the end of d1, why go in we need to kill right now right after lucian’s replacement was announced, while una was on vla not able to defend herself.

The whole thing reeks of scum agenda and theatre.

But why navigate it off Ari then? I don’t think this points back to my question but to humor it and out if curiosity what’s the motivation here? Did Ari not feel like a guarantee offing that Shirou shifted off of and the people followed? Unless Ari and Shirou are aligned I’m not sure I track with the motivation.

[TheGoldenParadox]

the thing that made me flip to actually townreading shirou was this... feeling of, like, earnestness, this "i actually want to solve the game and will do it in real time and fuck you all while i'm doing it". i don't like the playstyle, but there is a sense in which shirou's posts felt like a rollercoaster where i felt like "yeah, mood, you are wearing your heart on your sleeve and i understand the rollercoaster because i feel that too." whereas scum couldn't do that because they know everyone's alignment and you just can't fabricate that earily

[Toto]

To be honest the thing that busts my balls is the whole rush at the end of d1, why go in we need to kill right now right after lucian’s replacement was announced, while una was on vla not able to defend herself.

The whole thing reeks of scum agenda and theatre.

But why navigate it off Ari then? I don’t think this points back to my question but to humor it and out if curiosity what’s the motivation here? Did Ari not feel like a guarantee offing that Shirou shifted off of and the people followed? Unless Ari and Shirou are aligned I’m not sure I track with the motivation.

The motivation in the case of town ari and scum shurro is to at the very least set up bad associatives. It is also better to flip una first while they are on vla and not leave them for tomorrow when theyll be back with better reads and more able to defend themselves.

“Tomorrow people should turbo flip ari…”

[Cat Scratch Fever]

the thing that made me flip to actually townreading shirou was this... feeling of, like, earnestness, this "i actually want to solve the game and will do it in real time and fuck you all while i'm doing it". i don't like the playstyle, but there is a sense in which shirou's posts felt like a rollercoaster where i felt like "yeah, mood, you are wearing your heart on your sleeve and i understand the rollercoaster because i feel that too." whereas scum couldn't do that because they know everyone's alignment and you just can't fabricate that earily

Did you get this feeling during a specific event during day 1? or is it overall vibes

[Aubrey]

But Shiro thinks Ari is a scum hunting master. Is this just a cat playing with its food and a fabricated thought?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Town leaning TGP here is TMI on steroids even if he's town.

Can you take a look at Gimli? His read on Aubrey seems feebly justified to me. He had TGP as a townlean earlier too (1526).

I kinda think Klick is town. And what Ari said earlier about Klick's town play was right - after we get more flips, he starts solving in a way that is quite difficult to replicate as scum, I think.

Spoiler:

klick started fine and fell off a bit.

I think he has issues with keeping up with a game regardless of alignment but more so as mafia.

My general feeling is that he actually believes i could be scum but if he disappears its concerning.

if hes town it will get more obvious over time.

[TheGoldenParadox]

don't have enough posts or general feel from StD to reliably sort them so i'm leaving them as unsorted for now.

toto is town, probably—i'm happy to include them in my townbloc. they are wrong about me and i think shirou but not in directions where i would be like "hey, yes, this is very Convenient for you, this Benefits you." they're pushing against two townies. also 1596 is plausibly not out of scumtoto's range but they get townpoints for them

gimli / lucian slot is lean town, don't have strong takes here but a) unlike shirou i think it is much easier for scum to SR me / go with the flow then stick their necks out or wtv and be like "you guys are town

given what I've heard from shirou about ability i don't expect to be able to sort pina, but from just mafia theory perspective they feel... pretty null, i don't actually get vibes in either direction from them (and i expect scum to give scumvibes more than town to give townvibes, but getting No Vibes is a bit scummy, in a way that kind of cancels out probably i think? my gut is that they're about rand to be either alignment

norwee might actually be scum, i was leantown on them but after a reread i feel like i vaguely remember norwee.... bleeding town, or something, every time they posted, when they were town, and absence of evidence is plausibly evidence of absence. i don't see strong evidence of norwee being town in their posts, and don't trust shirou's reads much more than a random number generator (sorry, shirou)

god i want aubrey to be town so bad because i vibe with them. mostly i think them being willing to be like "hey, yeah, i only actually Understand 20% of the thread" is town indicative probably but not strongly

idk about klick, being willing to defend widely sred players is definitely town indicative but also klick has just given me weird vibes such that i'm very uncertain. i guess they can be leantown for now but if they continue to make posts like 1686 i'm going to sr them more

[TheGoldenParadox]

the thing that made me flip to actually townreading shirou was this... feeling of, like, earnestness, this "i actually want to solve the game and will do it in real time and fuck you all while i'm doing it". i don't like the playstyle, but there is a sense in which shirou's posts felt like a rollercoaster where i felt like "yeah, mood, you are wearing your heart on your sleeve and i understand the rollercoaster because i feel that too." whereas scum couldn't do that because they know everyone's alignment and you just can't fabricate that earily

Did you get this feeling during a specific event during day 1? or is it overall vibes

una wagon was largely it, rereading a bit on shirou's emotions (esp. "i'm shitposting in personal pt" etc etc) made me update, then i reread the day throughout the night and realized shirou just feels like town

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is that the only reason why you think i’m scum?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

It looks like it's my turn to get left out of a readslist

[Aubrey]

But Shiro thinks Ari is a scum hunting master. Is this just a cat playing with its food and a fabricated thought?

I could have sworn something like this was said but after iso his LONG AS FUCK iso I could only find 1246

So maybe I’m remembering an exaggerated comment?

[TheGoldenParadox]

Is that the only reason why you think i’m scum?

yeah, mostly that + PoE, nothing you've specifically said has pinged me very much

[Toto]

How did you mess up the vote count?

[TheGoldenParadox]

shirou was wrong on ari's vote count earlier, i didn't trust the e-4 and tried to count myself, and then fucked it up

[Toto]

But you also forgot to say “thats e-1 btw”

[Save The Dragons]

i miss old slow ms

My first newbie was only 5 pages long

The good ol days

[fireisredsir]

Can you take a look at Gimli? His read on Aubrey seems feebly justified to me.

sorry to interject here if you specifically wanted shirou's take

but i just played with town gimli and i kinda felt he was a little too quick to jump to the conclusion of clearing someone as town, often just off like a "yea scum wouldn't do this"

i felt like he wasn't considering the full breadth of possibilities

i think his approach to this game feels pretty similar to that game so far at least in that aspect

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I did notice that pattern - after Gimli ISO'd TGP and Klick, he ended up with weak townreads on both.

But Aubrey was given a strong townread based off of one thing; I think that townread was the only one that wasn't holistic, so it stood out to me.

[fireisredsir]

agree the strength of the read seems unsupported by reasons given

ig i am forgiving of that due to also probably doing the same, i don't think ive explained all my reads since replacing in

[Gimli]

What do you guys think of sircakez's D1 and CSF now?

what do you think of the slot

I don't think anything yet, and you just answered a question with another question

[Gimli]

But Aubrey also wants to vote Aristeia/fireisred (he reiterates this wish in 1544), who was the major counterwagon to Una. If there is significant paranoia about flipping the CW, I'm not seeing it. Does that change your read there?

I see you have Aubrey as one of your top towns in 1562. Did you have another reason for townreading him?

Aubrey is coming to D2 with an Ari scumread. They then proceed to a mental investigation over the NK - something I don't think is a good scumhunting tool but doesn't matter - and conclude that it's possible it means scum was comfortable with D1. I think they used the word 'laxing' or something to that effect. At the same time Aubrey is shifting attention to TGP in those posts, so the NK evaluation is broadening their scumhunting spectrum or whatever. It doesn't matter if they're still scum leaning on Ari, I'd find it odd if they didn't do that just because gamma was killed.

And I'm just vibing with Aubrey otherwise. Like their presence and how they think, feels like town doing so

[Gimli]

I mean TGP is probably biting it today. Let’s get real. A slot like him, unless able to obvi town some how will die in this environment due to the rate of content alone.

I don’t see maf risking their necks for him to much and will likely try and get townie points for his demise if he is in fact scum. If town then he is just fodder.

Why are you scumreading TGP? Is it just the lack of presence?

[Gimli]

Idk if TGP's posts now are towny or just crafted to look that way

[Gimli]

Will try to read a bit more later