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Post Post #375 (ISO) » Sat Jan 21, 2023 12:17 pm

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In post 373, KingTroll wrote:I am simply tired of people scumreading my confidence in having correctly read Campbell and confbiasing it that I'm wolf either way LLD's slot flips! If you want to set up two town flips in a row, it's your prerogative to say that if LLD flips town I'm mafia, but I'm afraid I'll just be right in that scenario!
How do you think I feel?

And with that I'm actually going to bed. Night!
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Post Post #376 (ISO) » Sat Jan 21, 2023 12:31 pm

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Votecount 1.11

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(4): AurorusVox, Lady Lambdadelta, CCGeek, Space
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Not Voting
(3): Weuler, Not Known 15, KingTroll

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Day 1 deadline ends in: (expired on 2023-01-22 16:03:39).
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Post Post #377 (ISO) » Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:02 pm

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I read them as town and I’m not second guessing myself on townreads I’ve had all day this close to deadline. Some posts that I think are good:
#40/#53 - good questions
#84/#91 - good probing
Reasoning builds naturally across a number of posts to a vote in #119

Caveat: There has been less from them recently so I do think they may be getting a bit of a pass for early game content from me. But then there was a lot of apathy in the last few days so I don’t think the shift in posting frequency is alignment indicative. Therefore the townread stays in place.

———

@KT, if LLD is town then I’m coming round to the idea that you’d have had no real motivation to draw the wagon away from a town mis-elimination. There are plenty of points and counterpoints and wifom points I’ve considered here, but I think going forward I’m going to try to read you -not- in relation to the LLD slot.

That said, if LLD is town and STD is scum
then
you can be pretty much confTown at that point.

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I note Dio’s last will and testament. Filing it away to look at based on the flip.
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Post Post #378 (ISO) » Sat Jan 21, 2023 3:46 pm

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VOTE: Dionysus
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Post Post #379 (ISO) » Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:16 pm

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Votecount 1.FINAL

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Dionysus
(5): AurorusVox, Lady Lambdadelta, CCGeek, Space, Not Known 15 HAMMERED
Weuler
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Lady Lambdadelta
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Not Voting
(2): Weuler, KingTroll

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

An elimination has been achieved.
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Post Post #380 (ISO) » Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:18 pm

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Dionysus was eliminated! He was:


Vanilla TownieWelcome!

You are a
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You have no special abilities.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.


The game thread is viewtopic.php?f=11&t=90297.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.


Night 1 begins now. You have 48 hours to submit a night action if you have one. Day 2 begins in: (expired on 2023-01-24 00:18:29)
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Post Post #381 (ISO) » Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:07 pm

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I have been too busy to do flip and also a general notice that site won't be available for about 3 hours at 8:30 EST today, so I will at minimum delay it until after that.

All night action(s) are currently locked and cannot change.
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Post Post #382 (ISO) » Tue Jan 24, 2023 3:52 am

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Hey sorry I misread the mod announcement! Its 12 hours from now. Flip will happen when I'm home from work.
A reminder of the downtime will be included in your day start PM
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Post Post #383 (ISO) » Tue Jan 24, 2023 4:59 am

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KingTroll has died! They were:


Town TrackerWelcome!

You are a
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You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed what player or players they targeted with their action, if any. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.


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Post Post #384 (ISO) » Tue Jan 24, 2023 5:04 am

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Day 2 begins now.


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TIJUANA - Taco Hemingway feat. Kizo


Not Voting
(7): CCGeek, Weuler, Space, Save The Dragons, Lady Lambdadelta, Not Known 15, AurorusVox
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to eliminate.

Day 2 deadline ends in: (expired on 2023-01-31 15:04:47).
An additional 3 hours has been added to deadline to account for planned downtime later tonight, at 20:30 EST(8:30PM).
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Post Post #385 (ISO) » Tue Jan 24, 2023 5:48 am

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Well that sucks
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Post Post #386 (ISO) » Tue Jan 24, 2023 5:55 am

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In post 353, Weuler wrote:
In post 351, Save The Dragons wrote:what's spicy about them other than they're colored like peppers
Your scum list contains some people who have flown under the radar. Until this post I don't think a single person had scumread me. In particular, I don't see why scum would have reason to try to rouse suspicion against such a person (they could just NK)
As I went to sleep after posting this, I realized this argument was faulty. Precisely because someone might draw the conclusion I did in the quoted post.
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Post Post #387 (ISO) » Tue Jan 24, 2023 6:14 am

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In post 385, Save The Dragons wrote:Well that sucks
So, we both know that there was at least one scum on the Dio wagon.
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Post Post #388 (ISO) » Tue Jan 24, 2023 6:35 am

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oh shit. we lost a pr.
scumsided setups are a myth (and game balancing is a scam)
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Post Post #389 (ISO) » Tue Jan 24, 2023 6:47 am

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So we are looking at one of two scenarios rn:
(a) Mafia has a RB and our other PR is a JK.
(b) Mafia has a Rolecop and our other PR is a Friendly Neighbour.
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Post Post #390 (ISO) » Tue Jan 24, 2023 7:15 am

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Could also be doctor and rolecop

I think weuler could still be scum but I want to hunt on wagon when I get a chance
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Post Post #391 (ISO) » Tue Jan 24, 2023 7:18 am

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In this situation... We should do the following.

If the remaining power role is a friendly neighbour, they should simply claim at this point.

Otherwise, I think we let the doctor or JK try their hand one more night from anon and work around it for today. Especially if it is jk/roleblocker
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Post Post #392 (ISO) » Tue Jan 24, 2023 7:29 am

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Actually.... We need to know if we are in the JK world or not the absolute most.

There might be a way to.... Organize a claim in such a way...
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Post Post #393 (ISO) » Tue Jan 24, 2023 8:27 am

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In post 392, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Actually.... We need to know if we are in the JK world or not the absolute most.

There might be a way to.... Organize a claim in such a way...
Do you mean there is a way to organize a claim without revealing the JK?
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Post Post #394 (ISO) » Tue Jan 24, 2023 8:52 am

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Possibly
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Post Post #395 (ISO) » Tue Jan 24, 2023 10:31 am

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In post 391, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:In this situation... We should do the following.

If the remaining power role is a friendly neighbour, they should simply claim at this point.

Otherwise, I think we let the doctor or JK try their hand one more night from anon and work around it for today. Especially if it is jk/roleblocker
If neighbour claims, then scum knows there is no doctor. Couldn't it be beneficial for scum to believe there may be a doctor? Assuming we're in column 2.
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Post Post #396 (ISO) » Tue Jan 24, 2023 10:32 am

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In post 392, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Actually.... We need to know if we are in the JK world or not the absolute most.

There might be a way to.... Organize a claim in such a way...
Could you explain why this is the most important. Most likely we are not in JK column, so risking revealing our PR may not be the best course of action.
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Post Post #397 (ISO) » Tue Jan 24, 2023 11:33 am

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A FN claim helps in terms of giving us a confTown for a day (they’ll die tonight as it confirms no protection roles) - the question is whether we want that info NOW or potentially save it in the back pocket for later (and keep the potential for a doctor/jk around). I think this is something we can decide as the day progresses and we don’t necessarily need to decide right away.

Re: why we would need to know dr vs jk
I want to question the logic here. A jailed target did not commit a kill (probably - see *) which is helpful to know but this doesn’t mean the target is not mafia. The kill went through so JK has less to tell us (*plus they themselves could have been role-blocked).

Plus if maf have a roleblocker then the only role they can block now is the JK, so finding out which column we’re in doesn’t carry much of a reward (and the confTown JK would just be killed). I’d argue the JK being outed *is* helpful when there’s only 1x mafia on the other side so that we can tell who is getting blocked before going into the night phase and almost use it as a secondary town power beyond the elimination.

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I like weuler’s entrance to the day.

I’ll have to go back and take a look at the timing and reasons for the Dio votes when I get a chance because it’s likely* there is at least one scum on the wagon. I don’t think Dio helped himself with his response to the pressure though, which is going to make it harder to parse.

(*I am open to the possibility of an STD/weuler team with STD’s “doomed-to-fail” late push on weuler being distancing, but I don’t find it super likely at the moment)

@LLD was there a reason you waited for me to place my vote on Dio before voting him yourself? Particularly following this post:
In post 236, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Also AV, then where are the Dio votes?

If you NK and I are all suspicious of Dio, why not create a Dio wagon?

I admit that NK's response to my push is much more town than Dio's was. It's my preference to kill Dio today now anyway.

If I'm scum, from NK's perspective I would be bussing right?

So hop aboard my bus and let's build that wagon.
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Post Post #398 (ISO) » Tue Jan 24, 2023 12:07 pm

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Basically JK worlds provide possible false info. And scum know what world we are in.

My thoughts are that we proxy claim jailkeepers. Everyone claims JK wnd who they targetted N1. That way... We can have more info.
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Post Post #399 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2023 5:01 am

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Nope. Nope.
VOTE: LLD
UNVOTE:
The ONLY person we want to claim is the
doctor
(and a FN who targeted a dead person)
A FN will be able to be confirmed nearly all the time tomorrow, even if it's EXLO.
A JK could prevent a kill tonight, but not when claimed.
A doctor is absolutely useless by comparison(can only bring us from odd to evens, and their protection target died) and should claim to prevent 1v1.
So what's happening is that we claim Not Doctor today(and if the FN targeted the nightkill they claim).
The JK being counterclaimed tomorrow is pretty dangerous to Mafia if we eliminate the Roleblocker.
The JK CANNOT bring false results because we know there's a tracker and all results before the Roleblocker death are unreliable.

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