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[Bell]

Based on vague memory, he usually says I'm sorry you don't see it this way whenever I scum read them as town when they're town. But deep down they're prickly.
Also, I think you're missing the ego thing.
He doesn't and I don't think anyone thinks that anyone here can read anyone else here with 100% accuracy.
In fact his next post will probably be amounting to how dare you say you can read me.

[unwnd]

Right, yeah. So... my experience is that Luke really is that affable you talk about, and that's very very very fair and normal.

My experience is also that... circumstantially, the previous game I played with Luke (HotD) Luke was much more subdued as town in terms of... energy.

So I'm wondering... circumstantially, how you're... taking that into account

I just went to go get a quotewall of our brief interaction in HotD, you should be able to spot the differences immediately:

Spoiler:

Did Lukewarm improve in the scum department? That's an unabashed 'I am town lukewarm extended my hand out to anyone as I feel unsure' post if I ever saw one

Did Lukewarm improve in the scum department?

Nice post Lukewarm reminds me when you're town

Did Lukewarm improve in the scum department? That's an unabashed 'I am town lukewarm extended my hand out to anyone as I feel unsure' post if I ever saw one

If you were to ask pooky, he would tell you that I am so amazingly perfect as scum that one must never town read me without a cop inno on me, so there

Scum you would've just taken the credit immediately instead of trying to reinstate yourself

Hmm yes I think I will keep this one

Scum you would've just taken the credit immediately instead of trying to reinstate yourself

Hmm yes I think I will keep this one

It is fairly frustrating that this is exactly how I picture you figuring you that I am town when you are town, but I also hate it

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ah.

Luke's cheeky with you specifically, and he's not remotely cheeky at all here.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So where did the Lukewarm who brushes your pressure off go and why is he replaced with the serious version?

[unwnd]

I mean it's hard to be 1:1 when emotions come into play

I don't hold people at the level of 'you must act this way at all times or else you're scum' because that's both soul-sucking and poor sport. He could be not feeling himself. He could be trying a new thing. Honestly, all he has to do is give some sort of inference on that level but he didn't. Reeks of guilty conscience

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I mean it's hard to be 1:1 when emotions come into play

I don't hold people at the level of 'you must act this way at all times or else you're scum' because that's both soul-sucking and poor sport. He could be not feeling himself. He could be trying a new thing. Honestly, all he has to do is give some sort of inference on that level but he didn't. Reeks of guilty conscience

Don't you find it weird that he didn't?

Like, if I were luke and I was in this position as scum "I'm feeling a little tired from life these days" or "I'm trying somehting new" would be.... easily something I'd reach for.

Why didn't he? Why didn't he even try?

[unwnd]

Don't believe he is the same breed as you/me or like peta if that makes sense?

This isn't a comparison in skill it's just like a different way of suiting that role, yeah?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Don't believe he is the same breed as you/me or like peta if that makes sense?

This isn't a comparison in skill it's just like a different way of suiting that role, yeah?

it's not that he isn't good as scum, it's that he doesn't have a heart of steel like you/peta/i?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Luke

, what do you think about the townvibes you're getting?

Do you mean, how do I feel about the people who said they think I am town?

It is early enough that I am assuming all reads are pretty weak.

I was a little surprised to see LLD's read on me as it happened, because she had not interacted with me at all, so my gut reaction to LLD's post was to ask why, before remembering that she never explains her town reads, so deleted the post lol. I don't really have a read on LLD yet

Notty and I had enough interactions with our Super Secret Hood that I could understand an early read on me, and I would call him somewhat townie too. I liked that his first read also turned out to be Marci.

this is the exact same interaction Luke had with me in HotD when I was doing my town hunting during the king election phase. I see something that is townie for Luke, Luke wants to poke at me and remembers this fact and holds back.

This was something I wondered at the time if Luke could fake, given HotD

[unwnd]

Yeah and I think personality absolutely matters when it comes to people. I think for old codgers like ourselves we're more represented by our will to win. Lukewarm is no slouch, but I don't think he finds joy in tricking people like that. He wants to just be townread on merit of being a good unassuming townie. He does extra when he's

actually

town however

[unwnd]

I find joy in fooling the pants out of someone and I'm willing to use every available resource cause it's a game and when names is on the board big dog big nuts

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeah. It's a different age of "if it wins, it wins"

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Okay, so Unwnd, can you tell me if you think Luke is the type who would specifically mimic an interaction to try and engender a townread?

[unwnd]

I..don't think so?

If someone wants to contest however I'm all ears

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Luke

, what do you think about the townvibes you're getting?

Do you mean, how do I feel about the people who said they think I am town?

It is early enough that I am assuming all reads are pretty weak.

I was a little surprised to see LLD's read on me as it happened, because she had not interacted with me at all, so my gut reaction to LLD's post was to ask why, before remembering that she never explains her town reads, so deleted the post lol. I don't really have a read on LLD yet

Notty and I had enough interactions with our Super Secret Hood that I could understand an early read on me, and I would call him somewhat townie too. I liked that his first read also turned out to be Marci.

this is the exact same interaction Luke had with me in HotD when I was doing my town hunting during the king election phase. I see something that is townie for Luke, Luke wants to poke at me and remembers this fact and holds back.

This was something I wondered at the time if Luke could fake, given HotD

So what do you think about this?

[unwnd]

Feels more circumstantial but also bodes with 'yeah that's luke town' but uh

That game is over and he was town. I think a lot of what we're doing here needs to be represented by Luke himself. I still don't have a full picture if you agree w/ me or not. I'd honestly prefer your own take on him, coupled with what I've given

[Cephrir]

I'm gonna be blunt myself first:

Do you think I'm a sap who is easily pocketed? I'd like some sort of self-defense that you

wouldn't

just be offering your hand if it meant furthering scum wincon. There's a lot of social preference with your game here and I think you've explained it enough. I'm not discouraging you and I think everything you've said so far I can only respond 'fair enough' and 'that's reasonable'.

However, I think some healthy paranoia does people good. I'm surprised there isn't any sense of paranoia from you in regard to me (or elsewhere)

I know I shouldn't intrude but I'm wondering what it costs you to attempt to do the things she's suggesting and see if it feels right

What’s it matter to you?

I was trying to derive a read from this interaction, shocking I know

[notscience]

Do share with the class

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Feels more circumstantial but also bodes with 'yeah that's luke town' but uh

That game is over and he was town. I think a lot of what we're doing here needs to be represented by Luke himself. I still don't have a full picture if you agree w/ me or not. I'd honestly prefer your own take on him, coupled with what I've given

My entry take on him was the stale townread I had, and given you as a scumread, I entered looking for reasons to discredit the argument you made.

this discussion, his ISO and my comparisson of his game against HotD have me thinking he's possibly scum.

He doesn't have anything like Bell where I go "this is really bad" but he's got way less content than I thought, and his convo with Cephrir on post 438 feels really stilted, lke he's saying it to say it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So essentially? I'll play ball and kill Luke today, he's not as town as I thought he was, but Bell's still more suspicious to me.

[Cephrir]

I am being tongue and cheek here.
I don't truly have much reason to think you're scum this game though. It doesn't really fit with anything resembling a plan.

I guess you could say your plan is to appear self-aware and cautious as scum, but like. That's weird.

This thought feels non-exclusive to a lot of people here

Why I think it's going to be a pain in the ass

Kind of surprised to hear "trying to appear self aware as scum is weird" from a player who correctly scumreads me so often

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ok I don't think it's doing anything anymore so: I had a moderate gut ping on notty (which still persists if I'm honest) and I decided it would be fun to go on the attack and get some reactions

For my next trick,
VOTE: Ydrasse

Ceph, if it was just a gut ping, why were you also trying to shoot down my reasons for thinking that he was more likely town?

And what reactions were you looking for? Do you feel like you got anything out of it?

Because I disagreed with your reasoning. I did think he was scum, but even if I didn't, I would have nitpicked your thoughts process there because I found it odd and thought it might even be scum indicative for you

Do you really think that on like page 3, scum!notty would think that the best use of his time to get town read would be to do some meta work on the Taly slot?

Like, that does not seem like the natural thought process on how to spend time for scum.

Is in thread actively talking to players -> decides to stop posting for 20 mins to do some meta on a slot, and then not even use it to make a push -> unvote from the slot that.

It just does not seem like realisitic scum motivated plan.

Compared to the town process

Sees something that they find suspicious about a player -> go skim that player's opening games to see if it was scum indicative -> realize that it is a play style difference -> unvote.

Yeah, the town process seems more likely to me then the scum one.

Like reading this interaction, Luke feels like he is saying things because they are what he is supposed to say, as opposed to approaching it more naturally.

[unwnd]

I am being tongue and cheek here.
I don't truly have much reason to think you're scum this game though. It doesn't really fit with anything resembling a plan.

I guess you could say your plan is to appear self-aware and cautious as scum, but like. That's weird.

This thought feels non-exclusive to a lot of people here

Why I think it's going to be a pain in the ass

Kind of surprised to hear "trying to appear self aware as scum is weird" from a player who correctly scumreads me so often

This at me or Bell?

Both?

[petapan]

Okay, so Unwnd, can you tell me if you think Luke is the type who would specifically mimic an interaction to try and engender a townread?

i think it's not uncommon practice for people to repeat things they said as town when they're playing scum to fake a towntell, i'd have to check the original interaction to see how similar it is but if it's a copy i'd be more concerned, not less

[Lukewarm]

I have returned