i designed this setup in 2019 [game over]
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I'll reiterate: potato
anyway I should be gone for today, I don't mean to be pointy-
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Yeah, scum knows your claim, share with the class.In post 2638, Ranger wrote:
Speaking of, to the surviving neighborhood members: do you think I should fullclaim here?In post 2618, Summon The Phoenix wrote:Ranger has felt like quite obvious town and claimed a vig shot last night in the neighbourhood-
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Goodnight sweet princeIn post 2650, Gimli wrote: I'll reiterate: potato
anyway I should be gone for today, I don't mean to be pointy
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I realize you've not read the neighborhood.In post 2646, Summon The Phoenix wrote:Okay, so let's start with Ranger.
This is my top scumread besides N_M and I've literally only been in this game like under a day. Their reads don't track with anything I'm getting from others, these questions they're asking on entry here are.... bad. and the VCA you posted implicates them heavily.
It's advisable to do so.
I believed your slot scum strongly before last night. The outcome of last night made me believe the rest of the neighborhood is town. If MathBlade wasn't the last scum there, the outcome of last night would have been different.
The VCA ignores context as well. I had Enchant as among my strongest scumreads, and Not_Mafia as a strong scumread.
While last night I was afraid Not_Mafia was a jester, whatever happened to kill three mafia has convinced me he's not; he's either town or scum, and scum is the most likely.
Quiet Owl was going to be the elimination yesterday before Not_Mafia pulled the trigger on Lycanfire. Quiet Owl got to L-2 I believe. If you think Not_Mafia is suspect, then the context behind him hammering the towniest slot in the game (Lycanfire was universally townread) and saving the scummiest slot in the game (Quiet Owl was universally scumread) should perhaps make you reconsider the thought of Quiet Owl being town.
MathBlade also started the Lycanfire wagon as acounterto the momentum on Quiet Owl. He hashugepartner equity with Quiet Owl when you observe context.
I realize you lack said context, but I can provide more tomorrow. (Busy tonight.)AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
"Ranger fake claiming? I'm shocked"- usesPython-
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Ranger She/Her{Top Tier}She/Her
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Alright.In post 2651, KittyTacky wrote:
Yeah, scum knows your claim, share with the class.In post 2638, Ranger wrote:
Speaking of, to the surviving neighborhood members: do you think I should fullclaim here?In post 2618, Summon The Phoenix wrote:Ranger has felt like quite obvious town and claimed a vig shot last night in the neighbourhood
CLAIM:Indecisive Combined Solo Vigilante Duet Doctor
Paraphrased,
I target a player. If nobody else targets the player, I vig them.
If anybody targets the player, I protect them.
I can't target the same player two nights in a row.
I initially used the role defensively.
On N1, I protected Cat Scratch Fever, for being likeminded to me as part of the Frogsterking trio.
On N2, I protected Lycanfire, for their end of day analysis on kitten around.
On N3, I claimed to the neighborhood and directed the role offensively towards HighPrincessErinys. (I wanted to target one of Not_Mafia or Quiet Owl, but given Not_Mafia did the hammer and Quiet Owl was the elimination candidate until Not_Mafia did that, I figured they would be targeted by PR actions.)
Since CSF didn't die N1, we have confirmation CSF was targeted N1.
Since Lycanfire didn't die N2, that means Lycanfire was targeted N2.
Since HighPrincessErinys died N3, that means HighPrincessErinys wasn't targeted N3.
The neighborhood should also know why MathBlade spewed me town there last night. (Check the last two pages and see MathBlade's interactions.)AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
"Ranger fake claiming? I'm shocked"- usesPython-
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Ranger if you only claimed to the neighbourhood N3 then how could you be so sure CSF would be targeted N1? If you were wrong about that you'd've vigged them"holy shit this entire time i thought imaginalitys profile was a purple seahorse" - camelCasedSnivy-
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CSF was part of the Frogsterking-CSF-Ranger trio which you know so well.In post 2655, imaginality wrote:Ranger if you only claimed to the neighbourhood N3 then how could you be so sure CSF would be targeted N1? If you were wrong about that you'd've vigged them
Frogsterking was eliminated.
I thought the odds quite high CSF would be targeted by scum N1 since CSF was part of the Frogsterking trio and would only be empowered overnight by Frogsterking being quicklimmed.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
"Ranger fake claiming? I'm shocked"- usesPython-
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I would like to remind those who may not have seen it, or those who have forgotten, of this note.
I don't know if that only applies to an early mass claim or if it includes ones that may typically happen late in the game.-
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Doubtful that Phoenix, Gimli, or KittyTacky are scum. Titus resolves tonight. The pool here is fairly narrow, in my view.-
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Reread, actually, and not as confident on Gimli. I forgot that I had some issues with the way he progressed on kitten around. He was also very quick to back off Enchant when I mentioned a post of his that I thought could be town-indicative.-
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Spoiler:
Extreme jumps in confidence like this make me nervous. There's not really posts that support the changes in reads. He townreads over the claim, calls the wagon garbage, then later suddenly calls them the scummiest poster in the game and starts solving around them being scum and Ranger defending them. This confidence seems to disappear later, though, and he doesn't push for them at all the next day.
I had similar issues with his progression on kitten around. I'm not willing to call Gimli locktown. That said, I think his claim and play today feels more like it comes from town.-
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Gimli he/himGoodfellas/White Knighthe/him
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"sudden change" is two whole real life days. I ISO'd mcmenno and figured they were probably scum. My starting posts were not as good as I was a D2 replacement and didn't remember much of what I read before day started.
As to my KA read, I explained countless times why I was confident she was scum and why we didn't need to flip elsewhere, cause her progression on QA was almost definitely coming from mafia. Those were posts I either didn't read or understood well at first, which is why I couldn't get a proper read on the slot until later that day.
But I'm only defending myself for the sake of it. If the majority wants I'll happily get voted out this gameday, and then I'm removing NM.-
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I should also note that in this post I'm going after three UTR slots that are all scum (unless NM flips something else which I doubt).In post 2067, Gimli wrote: I'm not going there as a matter of policy, I'm going there as a matter of gamestate + I find all three of them scummy tbh. enchant does not feel like town at all, mcmenno showing up to go 'omg im not wagonz' is something that deserves a dayvig, and NM started getting a little survivalistic once we tried forming a wagon around him. gun to head they're all scum.-
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I was the only player being loud about enchant/NM/mcmenno on d2, I think. did I move from KA and QO to these slots? yes I did, but they were mafia so it's okay.-
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I'm calling UTR under the radar, not universal townread, and I need to stop using that acronym anyway cause it confuses more than it helps-
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I'd still like to sleep on this but I think Not Mafia is the play today due to policy.
I'd like any claims of people who visited Ranger's n1 or n2 "targets".
We need to track these guns and kills.
There's probably more mech than that but Mama Bear is tired.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
You're letting Titus win the game by herself.Good luck now I guess.You have no chance to win.~Tywin
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Let's suppose for a moment that every gun was successfully given and hit it's target despite no one claiming guns. We have an extra kill night 1 as no guns were given.
N2 has no extra kill. Scum have a compulsive disloyal doctor. If third party was aiming for scum, but hit the compulsive target, then this explains the missing n2 kill. It also could be 3p bulletproof.
I don't like Ranger claiming a gun here.
There's the ??? mark phase as well.
I think we MUST conclude at least 1 3p maybe 2.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Prince, why are you town, aside from VCA?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
You're letting Titus win the game by herself.Good luck now I guess.You have no chance to win.~Tywin
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Gimli he/himGoodfellas/White Knighthe/him
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I think trying to understand the mechanics is gonna be more complicated than just flipping all the remaining scum atm. after they're gone we can check out what kill belongs to what power role or player etc until we can finally understand what kills belong to a 3p, if such a 3p exists.
titus, do you think a 23er like this would have 6 nontowns total? being 5 groupscum and one SK neutral, for instance?-
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if there's no neutral and it's a 6 player groupscum, then day 3 was all about reaching parity. they had to keep quiet owl alive and fastplayed with NM and mathblade outing themselves to get a kill. Bare in mind that mathblade's lycan vote was the most absurdly insane thing and it was 99% of the time coordinated with NM so they could get lycan killed. my theory is that NM's role would require someone to place a vote, and none of the players voted were good enough kills. lycan was a top townread and math's vote there was meant to activate NM's power.NM's elimination today is not a matter of policy, unless of course the policy is killing scum.-
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note that NM could've killed ranger but didn't.
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Gimli he/himGoodfellas/White Knighthe/him
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that actually makes ranger a likely scum partner for not_mafia, or mafia thought ranger was 3p already and needed her to achieve their wincon
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Gimli he/himGoodfellas/White Knighthe/him
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I don't care about this claim not even a little bit for what it's worthIn post 2654, Ranger wrote:
Alright.In post 2651, KittyTacky wrote:
Yeah, scum knows your claim, share with the class.In post 2638, Ranger wrote:
Speaking of, to the surviving neighborhood members: do you think I should fullclaim here?In post 2618, Summon The Phoenix wrote:Ranger has felt like quite obvious town and claimed a vig shot last night in the neighbourhood
CLAIM:Indecisive Combined Solo Vigilante Duet Doctor
Paraphrased,
I target a player. If nobody else targets the player, I vig them.
If anybody targets the player, I protect them.
I can't target the same player two nights in a row.
I initially used the role defensively.
On N1, I protected Cat Scratch Fever, for being likeminded to me as part of the Frogsterking trio.
On N2, I protected Lycanfire, for their end of day analysis on kitten around.
On N3, I claimed to the neighborhood and directed the role offensively towards HighPrincessErinys. (I wanted to target one of Not_Mafia or Quiet Owl, but given Not_Mafia did the hammer and Quiet Owl was the elimination candidate until Not_Mafia did that, I figured they would be targeted by PR actions.)
Since CSF didn't die N1, we have confirmation CSF was targeted N1.
Since Lycanfire didn't die N2, that means Lycanfire was targeted N2.
Since HighPrincessErinys died N3, that means HighPrincessErinys wasn't targeted N3.
The neighborhood should also know why MathBlade spewed me town there last night. (Check the last two pages and see MathBlade's interactions.)-
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enchant, QO, ranger are the wagons on D3. my theory is that NM had to pick an existing wagon, not vote someone with 0 votes, which is why mathblade went to lycanfire after doing some theatre in the thread.In post 2563, xyzzy wrote: 2 players voting for Lycanfire (MathBlade, Not_Mafia)
4 players voting for Quiet Owl (HighPrincessErinys, Gimli, imaginality, furtiveglance)
2 players voting for Ranger (Titus, Lycanfire)
1 player voting for Enchant (UltimateGamer)
9 players not voting (Quiet Owl, Prince of Paterson, McMenno, Enchant, Not_Mafia, MathBlade, Ranger, KittyTacky, UltimateGamer)
with 15 votes, it takes 8 to eliminate...
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A PLAN: we flip NM, titus targets ranger, ranger targets quiet owl. if anyone is alive tomorrow we eliminate them. that might end the game.
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