Newbie 2109: Taco Hemingway | Game Over

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD thinks I’m scum with you, weuler.

For some reason she doesn’t think STD or arko could be your partner.

@LLD what do you make of weuler following near-enough the exact same strategy I outlined scum!weuler would do if they were partnered with arko?

If weuler is not scum with one of STD or arko then my only conclusion is that you are scum, LLD; either with weuler himself or with STD

My dude, you keep engaging me like this when I'm not the person you need to sell.

Weuler is obvscumming in the thread right now right in front of your eyes, and you're actively ignoring this in favour of interrogating me on a worthless point.

Weuler posts all this bad logic and weird reversals trying to step in the path of my conversation with Arko and your only response is to play softball with Weuler?

This is why I think the two of you are scum together. Weuler is supremely confident that he has this in the bag, and you're not reacting to it at all.

The two of you came into today with a plan. That plan, to me, is to isolate STD and I and try to either make us suspect each other, or failing that convince Arko we are scum together.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like, Arko and STD

I want you to look at the way Weuler and AV have progressed in this thread from their initial entrance to my challenging them to their most recent interactions.

Does this look like 2 townies in a eliminate or lose scenario to you? They come off to me as supremely confident, supremely cocky and almost taunting.

The "Arko sees AV as town" post is very that, as is Weuler being like "WELL IF I FOLLOW YOUR LOGIC I ARRIVE AT YOU BEING SCUM LLD" as if he wasn't going to push that argument today already.

This is all theatre, for your benefit specifically Arko.

You found me town by the end of yesterday, and were I scum I literally bared my neck to you and said "kill me, but I won't kill you because I think you're town".

You didn't do that, for a reason.

I beg you to look here and SEE that reason.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And you can tell this was a chained elimination. Weuler basically spewed he knew NK15 would flip town at the end of yesterday with the "if NK15 flips town, I'll look at LLD/STD".

It was a chained elimination setup. So Weuler!scum is okay with either of STD or LLD dying because either one wins him the game, and if Arko is town which he is that leaves only one partner, the partner who has been working with him the whole game.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like, I am specifically speaking to you Arko because this is a forgone conclusion despite how these two would like you to believe it. They're going to hmm and haww their way through this day as if they have not already made their minds up. AV entered wanting to kill STD, and when put to task on that wouldn't commit to STD being their strongest scum read.

Why?

Because the way I was positioning myself meant that maybe AV had to vote for me instead.

You can follow the mental path that AV took to get here. Slow setup onto STD, pretend to look like a townie by not being certain taking it slow blah blah blah and the second I come out saying I think it's Weuler/AV, and ask AV if STD is scum to him and where he wants to vote today there is a massive backpedal away from commitment.

Because AV and Weuler don't HAVE REAL CONVICTIONS beyond their win condition, which is just "kill a townie".

[AurorusVox]

STD is my strongest scumread but that doesn’t mean I am locked in. There are two scum so why shouldn’t I try to determine who the other one is??

I think it’s pretty clear I’m pushing weuler because I suspect them of being the std partner. I just have to see whether they’re more likely than you. If I confidently townread you, then I wouldn’t care out of std or weuler; in fact I’d probably go weuler first to avoid the weuler-arko situation I described.

That’s why I am also questioning you. But the fact you’re not engaging with my questions really isn’t helping.

[Weuler]

If AV is scum then well played, scum has essentially won.

I... I don't know about that.

Right now my top concerning team is You+AV.

Arko is the top town for his behaviour WRT the FN yesterday, leaving STD as the only other option...

and STD doesn't pair well as a partner with either of you two.

So, for me, If Arko isn't scum, it HAS to be you two because STD shares minimal equity with either of you.

Well AV is my top town read. Turns out AV is also Arko's top town, hence my post. Personally I just cannot see myself voting Arko with the other scummy people around.

Consider my post about AV as a cry for help. If you scumread AV then please share your concerns, because right now they seem like the towniest town to me.

Correction: "Personally I just cannot see myself voting

AV

with the other scummy people around."

[Save The Dragons]

hey i need some time to digest this game and i don't think i'll get to it until tomorrow

[Lady Lambdadelta]

STD is my strongest scumread but that doesn’t mean I am locked in. There are two scum so why shouldn’t I try to determine who the other one is??

I think it’s pretty clear I’m pushing weuler because I suspect them of being the std partner. I just have to see whether they’re more likely than you. If I confidently townread you, then I wouldn’t care out of std or weuler; in fact I’d probably go weuler first to avoid the weuler-arko situation I described.

That’s why I am also questioning you. But the fact you’re not engaging with my questions really isn’t helping.

So you'll consider voting Weuler today?

[Weuler]

And you can tell this was a chained elimination. Weuler basically spewed he knew NK15 would flip town at the end of yesterday with the "if NK15 flips town, I'll look at LLD/STD".

I did not claim that I knew NK would flip town, rather I stated the opposite, see 580 where I say that I doubt NK being town. Indeed, I still find it very surprising that NK turned out to be town, because their iso was incredibly scummy with essentially no analysis. See e.g. CCG's post analysing NK.

[Weuler]

I am not a big fan of Arko's reaction to NK getting hammered.

[Save The Dragons]

I just lost a huge post detailing my thoughts fuck me. Will try to paraphrase. It was mostly a to do list for me

[Save The Dragons]

Lld - antagonized by everyone at one point, low partner equity. Lot of conviction in her posts. She seems good today so far. The only thing is it would be a mistake to not have paranoia on the slot but I don't have any other reason and until I do I'm probably not looking here.

Weuler- I suspected them day one for choppy posts that weren't really solvy. D2 they changed and were more logical. I want to look at that logic again in context of the flips.

Av- his push on me is either wrong, in which I need to respond, or it's scum driven, in which I need to figure out. I also don't think if he's scum he deserves it, I think it's totally catchable if he is.

Arko- I'm not sure I buy that his reveal of the FN was townie, it could be a mafia panicking. I want to look at that again. I don't think I've felt great about any of his posts. Need to look at at iso.

[Arko]

Just a reminder that like said I really can't post today at all like yesterday. and AV Not feeling scum wasn't a confirmation, it was really the lowest on my list of scum. Anyways, I think tomorrow once I can post a little more and the game has progressed I can really tell what the fuck is going on with you guys, because this is grand confusion right now, and I can barely react to it with the current time I have to post. So see you tomorrow.

[AurorusVox]

STD is my strongest scumread but that doesn’t mean I am locked in. There are two scum so why shouldn’t I try to determine who the other one is??

I think it’s pretty clear I’m pushing weuler because I suspect them of being the std partner. I just have to see whether they’re more likely than you. If I confidently townread you, then I wouldn’t care out of std or weuler; in fact I’d probably go weuler first to avoid the weuler-arko situation I described.

That’s why I am also questioning you. But the fact you’re not engaging with my questions really isn’t helping.

So you'll consider voting Weuler today?

Yeah - if you were to convince me you’re town, I would probably vote weuler today

STD do you see the possibility of weuler/arko?

[Weuler]

@LLD: if either of me or AV would be town, would you still think the other one is scum?

[Weuler]

Looking through AV's iso and...

I am probably more paranoid about weuler than anyone else because if weuler is scum (esp if they’re scum with arko) I think we’ve already lost;

Great minds etc.

[Weuler]

They come off to me as supremely confident, supremely cocky and almost taunting.

The taunting will not stop

[DkKoba]

Votecount 3.2

Fiji - Taco Hemingway

Not Voting

(5): Weuler, Arko, Save The Dragons, Lady Lambdadelta, AurorusVox

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to eliminate.

Day 3 deadline ends in: (expired on 2023-02-08 00:46:11).

[Weuler]

STD is my strongest scumread but that doesn’t mean I am locked in. There are two scum so why shouldn’t I try to determine who the other one is??

I think it’s pretty clear I’m pushing weuler because I suspect them of being the std partner. I just have to see whether they’re more likely than you. If I confidently townread you, then I wouldn’t care out of std or weuler; in fact I’d probably go weuler first to avoid the weuler-arko situation I described.

That’s why I am also questioning you. But the fact you’re not engaging with my questions really isn’t helping.

So you'll consider voting Weuler today?

Yeah - if you were to convince me you’re town, I would probably vote weuler today

STD do you see the possibility of weuler/arko?

Did your suspicions of STD vanish?

[AurorusVox]

No.

But the way I look at it is this:

If LLD is scummy then STD is the best vote

Std-LLD plus std-weuler teams

If LLD is townie then you’re the best vote

Std-weuler plus weuler-arko teams

You become more likely scum if LLD is townie due to the chaining NK->LLD

Obviously if I think LLD is scummy that doesn’t make sense with you as scum

I’m essentially trying to figure out between you and LLD who is scummier as that will determine which vote has the best chance of landing on scum between you/STD

At the moment my preference is still on STD but I’d consider voting you, which was the question LLD asked

[Weuler]

I don't think STD/Arko is the scum team after looking at Space's iso

[Weuler]

At this point it feels like there is to much interference from the scum who makes up 40% of the remaining players. Today we really just need to find one scum and not the entire pair

[Weuler]

LLD is very hard to read. The whole lunatic defence etc is just weird. Still something feels towny (does the aggression trigger my town indicator perhaps?) But town!LLD does not line up with STD/Arko not being the scum team, and AV being town.

[Weuler]

Now if AV was scum does any partner even make sense?

[Weuler]

(Yes LLD I know you think AV-Weuler makes sense)