Legends of the Buisness Company [Staplers Take Over the World]

[SirCakez]

i think enough people r willing to flip psyche/shirou in some order that we should just bite the bullet and do it and if its a throw its a throw we should be proud of

ya also im kinda over this dilemma

[SirCakez]

why can't the same be said about psyche

cuz it feels like psyche is the lim this game state is going to end up with because there's so much resistance to shirou
just look at Pooky asking Shirou's permission to lim him. what kind of bullshit is that?

I got to E-1 before psyche did yesterday fwiw, and then when psyche was about to happen there was a quickswitch to titus<br style="color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><br style="color: rgb(204, 204, 204);">saying psyche has been an easier wagon than me just isn't true, i've been suspected since d1 in this game and wagoned since d2

okay but you're alive and titus is not

[SirCakez]

Freedom being scummy is prolly my biggest qualm with the Psycho slot

[SirCakez]

wait im actually stupid

[SirCakez]

okay Psyche = Penguin not Freedom
but Penguin was also fairly scummy before the rep out so that doesn't change much

[SirCakez]

okay but you're alive and titus is not

??????

I WAS COMPARING MY WAGON TO PSYCHE'S WHAT DOES TITUS HAVE TO DO WITH THIS

oh misunderstood what you were getting at

[SirCakez]

also reiterating something I said earlier but pretty much everyone on Shirou wagons earlier have been either now flipped town or in my higher tier town reads
i don't really like the people pushing Psyche

[SirCakez]

as i stare at this vc i cant help but feel a sense of impending doom if these two are both town

lmfao i have that sense at all times regardless of who is being wagoned

maybe we should just yeet cakeboi

no stfu

[SirCakez]

what if the scum team was some bullshit like STD + Enchant + Sir Cakes + NorwegianBoy

LOL in what world are StD and I scum together
and Enchant is not scum

[SirCakez]

dropping fresh reads
made these with random.org probably more likely to hit scum this way lmfao

town - norwegianboyEE, Dunnstral
nulltown - Save the dragons,
null - t bone, psyche, shirou
nullscum - sheepsaysmeep
scum - thestatusquo, pookythemagicalbear, gamma emerald, enchant

[SirCakez]

like cakes progression on shirou doesnt make a lot of sense to me

ok does any1 here actually think cakes is town

no

ok does any1 here actually think cakes is town

not really

wow look at the wolves circling back around for new mislim targets

[SirCakez]

the fact that the game is this stuck makes me feel like we are onto scum with one of the lim targets here
we did not stall this much on furtive or Titus

[SirCakez]

what if they are both scum lmaoo

[SirCakez]

also even if Psyche v Shirou is T/S I still think Cakes is scum

i could be mod confirmed IC and u would still push me

[SirCakez]

i think the fact that we only had 3 gunshots and i know one of them was mine and the other one is gamma's means that the scum dont give a fuck about the mini game which implies they are probly doing pretty well in terms of cruising to a win and that suggests Psyche v Shirou is T/T

not really? the game being so stuck right now feels like scum in these two wagons

[SirCakez]

probably on the psyche wagon or off wagon?
why hasn't one of psyche or shirou be limmed by now if they are town? feel like scum would take the mislim at this point no?

[SirCakez]

r u saying they're both mafia

I'm saying I think at least one of them is

[SirCakez]

Also I agree Norwe looks pretty scummy at this point regardless of where these two wagons flip

[SirCakez]

like if you think its T/S then why have the scum not limmed the T person?

I think they are worried that the S person in the pair is going to get limmed if a T person does

Thus why I find it scummy that some people are pushing for someone outside the current pool to get limmed

[SirCakez]

if you think its S/S why havent the scum decisively bussed?

They obviously think they can switch the teams out and get a town

[SirCakez]

The scum team in this situation in my T/S theory would be Pooky/std/Shirou/some rando like Norwe

[SirCakez]

I really don't like Pooky suddenly trying to push both wagons as town

[SirCakez]

I shot std lol

[SirCakez]

on one hand i dont think cakez is town

on the other hand i dont see why norwee hands me cakeboi on a plate like this if he's teamed with cakes.

so i have to figure out a team where cakes is scum and norwee is town before i feel good about this

Instead of mental gymnastics just go to Occam's razor and figure that Norwe wants me mislimmed instead of one of his buddies

[SirCakez]

I don't really want to talk to Pooky anymore it gets me tilted every time and it's not productive
Someone else

[SirCakez]

And he's like >50% scum here

[SirCakez]

And he's like >50% scum here

who r u talking about

You

[SirCakez]

i wish cakes would stop using drugs for long enough to take this game seriously cuz i cant tell if hes making no sense because he's scum who's making shit up or if he's just baked out of his mind

I'm doing no weed february so baked Cakez is not coming back for a while dw

[SirCakez]

Why isn't Norwe/Psyche an option here?

[SirCakez]

let me see VC and then I'll vote Psyche
i don't want any more team swapping waffling around wagon swapping let's just flip this

[SirCakez]

dude you've been voting for shirou and saying psyche is town for fucking days and now you're just fine flipping psyche?

Yeah I can't fucking vote for Shirou anymore obviously and I've always said Psyche has a chance of being scum and I think that went up with Norwes ass swap and I'd much rather lim Psyche then t bone or myself obviously

[SirCakez]

ooh i would be good with Norwe getting swapped in and limmed

[SirCakez]

Also I think Norwee and Cakez have good partner equity

Wtf?

[SirCakez]

Also I think Norwee and Cakez have good partner equity

Wtf?

Maybe don’t flip your sticks so badly at scum controlling the thread tempo
Your outrage feels like how I acted in the first round of Slaughter Hour: lots of overblown reactions at shadows.

why am I not allowed to get tilted lol

[SirCakez]

VOTE: psyche idc idc idc idc idc idc idc idc idc idc idc idc idc idc idc idc idc idc idc idc idc idc idc idc

[SirCakez]

bc I don't want to wait for another swap and psyche's recent posting has been nothingsauce and like i've been talking about the resistance to this wagon feels pretty fishy

[SirCakez]

i still want to kill norwe too

[SirCakez]

because we can kill norwe tomorrow i've been saying for a while now that I think there's scum in the Psyche/shirou block that was up all day and I want a flip in that pair today

[SirCakez]

we can save the money for something else down the line

[SirCakez]

Hyperpost Meta vs Board of Mis-directors vs 3.07

Pysche (5): Dunnstral, Shirou, Gamma Emerald, Save The Dragons, NorwegianboyEE ,
Dunnstral (1) : Psyche ,
Shirou (3) : T-Bone, SirCakez, Thestatusquo,

Not Voting (3): Sheepssaysmeep , Enchant, PookytheMagicalBear,,


With 12 Alive, It Takes 7 to Eliminate.
Deadline for challenge is (expired on 2023-02-11 10:45:00)

Mod Notes:

this is the peak of the psyche wagon pre-swap

he's e-2 with Enchant saying he wants to vote for Psyche.

So if Psyche is mafia, where are his teammates?

probably bussing him I don't know
do you think he is town?

[SirCakez]

if shirou was votable right now I would be voting Shirou
however shirou is not votable right now
i feel like this is pretty straightforward

[SirCakez]

also psyche shirou isn't even a 1v1
both could be scum

[SirCakez]

why does there have to be some massive conspiracy? why cant someone just be scum?

[SirCakez]

norwegian is a scumfuck no doubt but why can't we just insta-challenge and kill him tomorrow Pooky?

[SirCakez]

also another thing for the psyche evidence pile is Penguin being pretty scummy before leaving

[SirCakez]

also another thing for the psyche evidence pile is Penguin being pretty scummy before leaving

why didnt this matter to you when you were voting for shirou in the psyche/shirou 1v1

it did matter i just wanted to be on shirou because i also found him scummy
i feel like you are not getting that I think both psyche and shirou could be scum

[SirCakez]

i feel like i literally cannot satisfy anyone this game with my answers

[SirCakez]

i don't want to talk to people who are just going to keep going "WELL WHY DIDN"T YOU THINK OF THIS CAKEZ" over and over again

i voted shirou because i thought shirou was scummy
i also thought psyche was scummy
now shirou is not available so i am voting psyche
i will vote norwe if that option comes up

[SirCakez]

i personally find shirou scummy because they feel very manipulative to me this game
t bone drew my attention to that when we talked in the pt

[SirCakez]

so why can't shirou-scum be manipulating people to kill psyche-town?

it's for sure a possibility

[SirCakez]

i personally find shirou scummy because they feel very manipulative to me this game
t bone drew my attention to that when we talked in the pt

can you provide examples

sorry its like hard for me to explain
its kind of a tonal thing like I read his posts and sometimes get pinged like that all this psyche stuff is just him pushing people around to seal the mislim
but i also could just be getting over-paranoid (thanks Pooky!) and its just straightforward psyche is scum and shirou is town on a good push

[SirCakez]

i personally find shirou scummy because they feel very manipulative to me this game
t bone drew my attention to that when we talked in the pt

can you provide examples

i have another question

do you think t-bone could have been manipulating you into going after shirou

yeah but it wouldn't be my first guess

[SirCakez]

i feel like i've had this conversation before

[SirCakez]

Also I think Norwee and Cakez have good partner equity

Wtf?

Maybe don’t flip your sticks so badly at scum controlling the thread tempo
Your outrage feels like how I acted in the first round of Slaughter Hour: lots of overblown reactions at shadows.

why am I not allowed to get tilted lol

The tilt feels wrong, is the problem
Remember how early on, I got upset at being pushed by folks I’d scumbinned already? That’s the sort of thing I’m seeing

ok but that's not what's happening here

[SirCakez]

I talked to t bone in the pt and he changed my mind on some things

Also you aren't my top suspect but I want to be on this wagon for now

I am really interested in the details of how this conversation played out

Okay we have to back up a bit. I had a theory prior to Furtive being limmed that explained a Furtive/Shirou scumteam. I think this is where I started talking to Cakez about my reads in more detail. I remember Furtive being so incredulous that anyone would not rank their own team first. And I thought that lined up well with why we got blocked, because I very openly was not ranking my team first. Like we know that Hyperpost was not first on everyone's list, so I thought the block on us was crucial to Hyperpost winning (and it still might have been we'll find out later). Anyway there may still be a chance that scum thought like Furtive.

Anyway after Furtive got flipped I asked Cakez if I was making a mistake on Shirou like I did Furtive or if I had a good reason to think Shirou town. Cakez said he thinks Shirou is town because Pooky is scum. Then I explained why I think Shirou is scum in short. Cakez offered that one of Shirou/Pooky had to be scum. He said he finds everything Pooky says scummy, then asks me to explain more on Shirou. I do, and then Cakez said he can get on board. Then I asked him to forget about Pooky and explain his Shirou town read. He said he liked some posts and thought Pooky's push was scummy making Shirou town. Basically a reiteration of one scum in Shirou/Pooky. Then FB posted the start of the flag mini game and we haven't spoken since.

If you're wondering about that, neither of us posted for round 1, Cakez posted guard round 2 and I said maybe we should steal from Shirou, and then neither of us responded so we also didn't submit for round 3. You are now all caught up on our PT.

I've also made my reads publicly known so its not like he or anyone could be confused by them. At least not more than I am lolol

for std

[SirCakez]

VOTE: norwegian

[SirCakez]

just hammer this idc anymore

[SirCakez]

Fuck yes finally

[SirCakez]

Are we yeeting Shirou now

[SirCakez]

VOTE: shirou ok lol

[SirCakez]

honestly I feel like I only see scum make that kind of dramatic rage out getting limmed post

[SirCakez]

i'm starting to write my previous "town case" on norwee that existed on my mind but i just wanted again to say something that you may rightfully accuse of being WIFOM given you don't know my alignment yet, but from my POV is something important to note for later:

if i was scum, out of Pooky/Shea/Tbone the correct daykill would be shea or tbone that were much less amenable towards me overall if you don't take into account the Shirou vs Pooky thing in the first pages of the game, so although theoretically it could be a WIFOM attempt from scum!me from your povs, i know that to be wrong and know that if shea/tbone are town that means there's scum in the "shadows" trying to kill me for awhile now.

i think pooky dying is a bit weird for another reason though, if the plan really was to mislim me as it looks like by this point to me, even though pooky was more amenable he was still likely to vote me today. Why not kill enchant instead that is also a strong townread for most? i think after my flip confirming this analysis to come from town, you may want to take a closer look at enchant and maybe don't let him reach endgame...?

this doesn't really make sense to me
pooky still was sus of you despite some backtracking - killing him seems pretty clearly to be in your favor

[SirCakez]

fuck yeah two down
feels good that I was right on shirou

[SirCakez]

i think haschel/sheep is looking like a pretty good scumspect right now. could def be on team with norwegian/shirou
VOTE: sheep

[SirCakez]

also with shirou flipping scum i feel pretty decent about psyche slot being town as I said for a while I thought that was TvS and scum wanted the T of the two dead

[SirCakez]

Hyperpost Meta vs Board of Mis-directors vs 3.07

Pysche (5): Dunnstral, Shirou, Gamma Emerald, Save The Dragons, NorwegianboyEE ,
Dunnstral (1) : Psyche ,
Shirou (3) : T-Bone, SirCakez, Thestatusquo,

Not Voting (3): Sheepssaysmeep , Enchant, PookytheMagicalBear,,


With 12 Alive, It Takes 7 to Eliminate.
Deadline for challenge is (expired on 2023-02-11 10:45:00)

Mod Notes:

key wagon spot here
at least two scum were on Psyche, would there have been another one?

[SirCakez]

looking at the remaining slots i feel like scum are inside (sheep, Dunn, StD)

Enchant has been town all game
can't see Gamma instachallenging me as scum
t bone wouldn't have gotten me to vote shirou over pooky if he was scum
tsq has been pissed off in a pretty townie way like all game lmao

[SirCakez]

i see some people saying sheep town but the Poe is getting small enough for me that i'm struggling to find scumspects elsewhere
it would take a good bit to convince me any of (enchant, gamma, tbone, tsq, gimli/psyche) were scum

[SirCakez]

ok regardless of what we do today StD should be getting flipped very soon

[SirCakez]

Why is everyone just ignoring me on the last page. I legitimately think I found something huge.

i think you're right and it would line up with my views of the gamestate rn

[SirCakez]

I also want people to comment on Dunns post and my thoughts which can be summed up with the following syllogism points

1) That post is not fake. It is too detailed and too correctly aligned with what was happening in the actual thread.
2 There is no reason for Alisae and Shirou to have a PT that looks like that if they're scum-scum
3) Therefore dunn is town.

PEDIT: I don't you believe thats what that post says. It's just not what it says.

also +1 to this which is just leaving me at Sheep/StD

[SirCakez]

Everyone is saying I'm town. I've been right on two flips in a row, and no still no one is listening to me. Cakez what do you think about my argument that sheep is town?

PEDIT: Haven't read all of tbones wall but I was on shirou before you iirc.

if sheep is town who are the scum here?

[SirCakez]

Ok literally everyone has StD as scum so if we're swapping can we flip him pls

[SirCakez]

I really don't think scum were bussing here
Norwe swapping me in to save Shirou is evidence enough of that

[SirCakez]

why was StD not swapped in? so dumb

[SirCakez]

What are your reasons for thinking std is scum?

he fits into like every scum team, he was on the Psyche wagon away from Shirou, his posts today read like scum who is accepting their lim

[SirCakez]

pretty demoralized when everyone's coming out of the woodwork to sus me for no reason

this feels so fake

[SirCakez]

okay then just kill me already??????

and consider psyche when i flip green it's not that hard to see where i'm coming from

you think Psyche and Shirou was S/S dueling wagons?

[SirCakez]

I have strange unexplainable urge to kill Sheep

this is also a good candidate his play today just feels like scum trying not to get noticed

[SirCakez]

Flip psyche after me please that's all I ask

Flip psyche after me please that's all I ask

This feels incredibly weird to just post out of the blue

pretty demoralized when everyone's coming out of the woodwork to sus me for no reason

these were the posts that made me think scum giving up

[SirCakez]

What are your reasons for thinking std is scum?

i'll also add on to this like there's not many other suspects left

i strongly think Gamma, T Bone and you are town
Dunn/Psyche seems not to be scum-aligned with the flips we have
and I think Enchant is townier than Sheep or StD

[SirCakez]

It would be different if StD was on the chopping block.

i feel like he is? someone mentioned swapping him in besides me

[SirCakez]

What are your reasons for thinking std is scum?

i'll also add on to this like there's not many other suspects left

i strongly think Gamma, T Bone and you are town
Dunn/Psyche seems not to be scum-aligned with the flips we have
and I think Enchant is townier than Sheep or StD

fuck I always mix up who replaced who
Gimli/Psyche* not Dunn/Psyche
I thought Alisae was town also though so Dunn/Alisae I also wouldn't lim before other suspects

[SirCakez]

instead of trying to convince people enchant is town, I'm gonna just side with him and enable him

not doing meta dives for you, do your own work yo! this is not my game I don't wanna dwelve too hard into it, quite frankly I don't care much if we win but we're not flipping goddamn enchant today

You have read roughly zero of the game so like this is an extremely frustrating perspective. I did my own work. I played the fucking game. Why don't you try fucking reading it?

too many pages

this is what you get mate, I'm really sorry

lol i feel bad for tsq he's been tilted all game then gets this

[SirCakez]

i'm not touching Gamma unless someone can convince me she really decided this would be the game as scum where she would immediately attack me and try to powerlim me within the first 48 hours of the game. dont think gamma is that player.

[SirCakez]

i'm not touching Gamma unless someone can convince me she really decided this would be the game as scum where she would immediately attack me and try to powerlim me within the first 48 hours of the game. dont think gamma is that player.

Don’t think gamma is wolf but dude it’s page 200 lmfao

don't see how that changes anything

[SirCakez]

nah psyche is an innocent child

What is your read on the gamestate?

Shirou/norwe + something like dunn-std picked Villa Psyche as the hang before Elo but I’ve still been putting off picking out quotes

but enchant does need to be resolved

Do think this is consensus but wolves went from winning to losing recently
Though the only person who felt rejuvenated is shea who was already clear

Have been saying am p sure it’s just within std/enchant/dunn, but not as 100% confident as I’d like
Obv if we hit a v flip I’ll think v hard abt life

Tbone is fine
Ur fine
Cakez has some spew cred ig meh

like posts like this it feels like you don't even care who gets limmed here
why are you settling for Enchant?

[SirCakez]

kinda definitely feeling like shit today i'll try to do something here
i don't really feel i have that much more to contribute

[SirCakez]

i guess we have to flip enchant but i really don't feel great about it
StD seems legitimately pissed off but i don't think it makes him town?

[SirCakez]

VOTE: save the dragons at least we can finally toss this

[SirCakez]

is anyone even surprised that enchant was town? that was fucking dumb

[SirCakez]

See

Garbage

See you in 2 days

if you're trying to get me tilted it's not gonna work

[SirCakez]

my Gamma townread is def down

[SirCakez]

Gimli is really not inspiring confidence
ugh

[SirCakez]

i just really cannot deal with this right now

[SirCakez]

UNVOTE:
StD let's pretend we TR each other for a day or two while we think and consider some other people. im somewhat worried im getting confbiased this game and scum are snowing me.
if we don't think of anything we can always go back to murderfacing each other

[SirCakez]

you're gonna have to talk to me about this one

[SirCakez]

i'm definitely considering the world where t bone has spent the whole game pocketing me in the pt and early on when he was refusing to vote me when I almost got turbolimmed day one

[SirCakez]

cakez pg ~182-184 is really bad, all the "let's please just hang psyche rn instead of swapping in norwe first, even tho norwe is absolutely wolf and also my first choice vote is shirou"

Yeah this was fucking terrible from me no doubt about it I can't defend this LOL

[SirCakez]

For t bone like
It doesn't seem like scum wanted to bus Shirou yet he pointed me in that direction. I'm stuck on that.

[SirCakez]

Yeah truce is up but i don't wanna go back to sitting on StD yet

[SirCakez]

Gimli is really killing me here

I think I want to lim in StD, Gimli, Dunn

[SirCakez]

I can't see T bone getting limmed before several more controversial slots are tossed anyways, StD

[SirCakez]

Gimli is really killing me here

I think I want to lim in StD, Gimli, Dunn

Can you give a short explanation why you think it is Gimli or me

Or point me to where you do

i've kinda gone over this a few times but essentially this game is turning into "who do I think is town?" moreso then me scumhunting and I'm just coming down to the leftovers as my PoE pool

I tr t bone, i tr gamma, i tr tsq, and tsq is really convinced sheep is town
so i'm left with those three

[SirCakez]

sheep pretty sure we haven't played together before right?

[SirCakez]

I just do not think it makes any sense for both shirou and psyche to be actively bussing psyche in an almost won game state.

this is my hangup with Psyche slot/Gimli but Gimli's lack of literally anything to work with today is not giving me any confidence
earlier I said that I thought psyche/shirou could be SvS but I don't know like what tsq said that doesn't really make sense in the game state at the time it was in

[SirCakez]

ok and like if TSQ is scum this game I'm gonna be so devastated I haven't felt so good about a townread in a while

[SirCakez]

gamma getting pissed on page 225 feels more town then scum I think???

[SirCakez]

y'all i am not fucking scum here
why did Norwe literally swap me in for a scum buddy and then try to lim me if I was scum with them
like what was even that point of that?

[SirCakez]

Probably sircakez the most IG, I've still not forgotten about the norwee post either and that is still shaping some amount of my worldview.

cakez iso is pretty bad and legit looks like he and std have been bussing

will discuss when I get home and finish

in response to these

[SirCakez]

what's your take on sheep slot

okay in vacuum I think sheep is a pretty good candidate for scum here but also my townreads don't really seem to think he is scum so i'm stuck

[SirCakez]

also think overall, starting to be like "sheep is poe" as endgame came, fits into a pattern of sussily trying to get rid of LHF, like with cakez using "furtive/Titus is w/v" which was pretty bad and then whatever cakez was saying about psyche which I definitely remember being pretty bad

this doesn't even make sense bc StD has been on top of my scum list for a while and that dude is definitely not LHF

[SirCakez]

i will concede to sheep that I haven't really reevaluated a lot of reads in a while but also like I haven't felt the need to because everyone is flipping correctly w my reads since Titus. norwe scum, shirou scum, enchant town. ig Pooky was town but i was weakening on that one.

[SirCakez]

Gimli is really killing me here

I think I want to lim in StD, Gimli, Dunn

Can you give a short explanation why you think it is Gimli or me

Or point me to where you do

i've kinda gone over this a few times but essentially this game is turning into "who do I think is town?" moreso then me scumhunting and I'm just coming down to the leftovers as my PoE pool

I tr t bone, i tr gamma, i tr tsq, and tsq is really convinced sheep is town
so i'm left with those three

Not really the answer I was hoping for. So do you think Psyche was being bussed? Do you think I lied about shirou talking to Alisae? That kind of thing

this is where i'm stuck dude everyone has reasons they could be town
your recap of the hood definitely looks real
it doesn't make sense for psyche to be bussed
but two people have to be scum here

y'all i am not fucking scum here
why did Norwe literally swap me in for a scum buddy and then try to lim me if I was scum with them
like what was even that point of that?

This is fair, but you've got Gimli in your pool when similar could be said about them

Psyche wasn't swapped in though?

[SirCakez]

yeah and that's my big hangup with that slot

[SirCakez]

I feel so stuck this game
Like I don't know what to do to help me solve or progress reads

[SirCakez]

Like I don't feel that strongly about anyone being scum but I know two of you fuckers are
I just don't know how to ferret it out

[SirCakez]

I always have difficulty interacting with other players and sharing my perspectives that's not even AI for me

[SirCakez]

Honestly I don't have the energy to fight this lim because I'm just way too unsure about all my reads and I know my slot needs to be cleared up

[SirCakez]

Like I would fight to stick around here if I thought I could do some good for the town but I really don't feel like I can right now

[SirCakez]

i salute you all and good luck

[SirCakez]

Damnnnn T bone totally snowed me WTF

[SirCakez]

GG scum you had a great game

[SirCakez]

Or replace out. My biggest fear was another replacement. Like Dunn replacing in shifting momentum so much that it took away the clean sweep I thought we were set for. My plan for most of the game was to turn on Cakez in LiLo, so we needed just one other.

omg my paranoia was so right!!!

[SirCakez]

but what do I know I don't even play mafia anymore

do it and you're cool

[SirCakez]

sry for leaving
this game was cannibalizing so much of my time and even *then* i still couldn't get any momentum going
will be more careful throwing
that said, hope i was able to help give town a run for its money

you were good!