Hollow Knight Mafia [game over]

[furtiveglance]

Well, maybe that post is pro-town^

CSF is a hard one to read

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[furtiveglance]

What if CSF, Klick and petapan are all scum

then you've already lost

is this a serious thought you had in your head or an idle musing

Serious

Do you think you're towny rn?

i'm not out of scum range but i'm rarely going to be, however i'm sure whatever reason you have for scumreading me is dumb as fuck

Setting aside ranges, would you have normally done more as town than just shade VP?

[petapan]

oh yeah my hot take is that furtive's handling of taly might be scummy but im nowhere near confident on that just all the "if you dont see taly is obvtown you're openwolfing" felt overblown

him sussing Black when he didn't didn't feel like a move scum would make, i think scum see a player like that typically and surrender the read where town are going to be paranoid and less trusting and get into the weeds more

[petapan]

Setting aside ranges, would you have normally done more as town than just shade VP?

i'm insulted at the implication my arguments amount to "shade"

but also no i'm going to press at what interests me i'm not interested in performing towniness and discuss reads when i feel they're relevant

[petapan]

What if CSF, Klick and petapan are all scum

I'd probably feel really bad for petapan lol

i've dragged worse scumteams to victory

[furtiveglance]

I don't use shade in a dismissive way, it's similar to 'push' or 'case' for me

[petapan]

I don't use shade in a dismissive way, it's similar to 'push' or 'case' for me

i don't think they carry the same weight as verbs whatsoever, but semantic distinction aside, is your belief that because i have a narrow range of focus on the game so far, i am mafia?

[furtiveglance]

UNVOTE: redFF

I'm no longer convinced he's racist against Dwarves.

Interesting case against Gimli though. There were lots of people posting early and no one was really advancing the game, yet for some reason he only picked on furtive

i find this post moderately scummy

I will say the "reads" other posters were making came across as jokes to me. Is a joke read better than no read at all?

games here start jokey and get more serious as the day goes on, imo even frivolous discussion eventually leads way to analysis and sometimes scum get caught out trying to blend in poorly

Well it's a very good read of my intentions by Klick. Maybe informed makes you get there easier. Am I so cryptic? I don't actually suspect Ari I kind of just wanted to get that bit about the fun/whimsy out of my system it's been bugging me.

You're also no longer a good vote IMO x3

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Klick

hrm

redff is funny leave him alone

No

VOTE: redFF

What's your read on the thread?

i don't know what that means

I understand this perspective. I never said my reads were any good. I've openly questioned my own reads even. None of them have been strong enough to do anything with. I mostly want to keep discussion going and analyze things as they go since I don't have much history to work with

don't worry about your reads being 'good' if you're town, it's more about making your overall thought process visible to others so they can understand where you're coming from, i think that's what alisae was getting it

oh yeah my hot take is that furtive's handling of taly might be scummy but im nowhere near confident on that just all the "if you dont see taly is obvtown you're openwolfing" felt overblown

him sussing Black when he didn't didn't feel like a move scum would make, i think scum see a player like that typically and surrender the read where town are going to be paranoid and less trusting and get into the weeds more

Sorry for massive quote, I'm on mobile. Petapan's progression on Black makes no sense. Calls him scummy, advises him as if he's town (with awkward phrase 'if you're town'), then towncases me for scumreading Black, again treating the slot as town.

[furtiveglance]

Yes I'm slightly justifying my pre-existing thought, but I found this in the ISO and it's sketchy

[Firebringer]

i'm not out of scum range but i'm rarely going to be, however i'm sure whatever reason you have for scumreading me is dumb as fuck

look how town petapan is being right now

[Aristeia]

i dont think petas treatment of black is even scum indicative

lets go thru the possible worlds:

peta/black s/s;

he would just coach black in the scum pt.

peta/black s/t;

he has no incentive to make black look townier, peta doesnt really do that to lhfs.

[petapan]

Sorry for massive quote, I'm on mobile. Petapan's progression on Black makes no sense. Calls him scummy, advises him as if he's town (with awkward phrase 'if you're town'), then towncases me for scumreading Black, again treating the slot as town.

i disliked that post however not enough to vote him for it and he's a new player to the site who is obviously experiencing a bit of awkwardness so i'm going to extend a basic level of courtesy and answer the question he asked about typical game flow

like where in your book do i, because i found a prior post by him suspect, have to not answer a totally harmless question he asked afterward?

i'm not treating black as town when i talk about your read on him, his alignment is basically irrelevant to what i am saying because it's relevant to you and your thought process and how you're approaching the game

i don't have a strong read on black

[Firebringer]

petapan is something up ur butt.
i read ur posts like they are full of rage.

[furtiveglance]

i dont think petas treatment of black is even scum indicative

lets go thru the possible worlds:

peta/black s/s;

he would just coach black in the scum pt.

peta/black s/t;

he has no incentive to make black look townier, peta doesnt really do that to lhfs.

1. Coaching could happen no matter what happens in thread.

2. He hasn't been exclusively treating Black as town. My point is the treatment is inconsistent in a really dodgy way

[Aristeia]

like if peta is _____ and thinks black is being scummy but also is interested in site health and letting newbies get their feet wet without brutaly mauling them for scum slipping all over the place, the treatment makes a lot of sense. also he could simply be unsure of his read since theres no actual meta history and what he's picking up on could just be personality quirks or being used to playing mafia a certain way somewhere else.

i dont think he does it for style points and i dont think its very useful for pocketing.

[Firebringer]

like if peta is a turkey and thinks black is being scummy but also is interested in site health and letting newbies get their feet wet without brutaly mauling them for scum slipping all over the place, the treatment makes a lot of sense. also he could simply be unsure of his read since theres no actual meta history and what he's picking up on could just be personality quirks or being used to playing mafia a certain way somewhere else.

i dont think he does it for style points and i dont think its very useful for pocketing.

Filled it in for you

[furtiveglance]

Sorry for massive quote, I'm on mobile. Petapan's progression on Black makes no sense. Calls him scummy, advises him as if he's town (with awkward phrase 'if you're town'), then towncases me for scumreading Black, again treating the slot as town.

i disliked that post however not enough to vote him for it and he's a new player to the site who is obviously experiencing a bit of awkwardness so i'm going to extend a basic level of courtesy and answer the question he asked about typical game flow

like where in your book do i, because i found a prior post by him suspect, have to not answer a totally harmless question he asked afterward?

i'm not treating black as town when i talk about your read on him, his alignment is basically irrelevant to what i am saying because it's relevant to you and your thought process and how you're approaching the game

i don't have a strong read on black

No, it is relevant. When considering what I would do as scum, you assumed Black would be town, not considering us both being Mafia. You said scum would be likely to let the slot be townread rather than push it. That treats the slot as town (without directly acknowledging it).

[petapan]

petapan is something up ur butt.
i read ur posts like they are full of rage.

i'm being snarky because i (correctly) anticipated fg scumreading me for poorly thought out reasons but i'm not that annoyed, i swear

i'm just having a chat

[petapan]

Sorry for massive quote, I'm on mobile. Petapan's progression on Black makes no sense. Calls him scummy, advises him as if he's town (with awkward phrase 'if you're town'), then towncases me for scumreading Black, again treating the slot as town.

i disliked that post however not enough to vote him for it and he's a new player to the site who is obviously experiencing a bit of awkwardness so i'm going to extend a basic level of courtesy and answer the question he asked about typical game flow

like where in your book do i, because i found a prior post by him suspect, have to not answer a totally harmless question he asked afterward?

i'm not treating black as town when i talk about your read on him, his alignment is basically irrelevant to what i am saying because it's relevant to you and your thought process and how you're approaching the game

i don't have a strong read on black

No, it is relevant. When considering what I would do as scum, you assumed Black would be town, not considering us both being Mafia. You said scum would be likely to let the slot be townread rather than push it. That treats the slot as town (without directly acknowledging it).

lmao

[furtiveglance]

petapan is something up ur butt.
i read ur posts like they are full of rage.

i'm being snarky because

i (correctly) anticipated fg scumreading me

for poorly thought out reasons but i'm not that annoyed, i swear

i'm just having a chat

since which point? My readslist with you as null?

[petapan]

i also don't think you're scum together because scum seeing their partner getting read that way doesn't try to case them unless they're gamethrow tier bad, the thought is not worth considering

ultimately though the whole thing boils down to the fact i believe your suspicion of black is genuine, this isn't really a complicated thought nor is it dependent on black's alignment


there are you happy would you like a lollipop

[Firebringer]

there are you happy would you like a lollipop

can i have one

[petapan]

petapan is something up ur butt.
i read ur posts like they are full of rage.

i'm being snarky because

i (correctly) anticipated fg scumreading me

for poorly thought out reasons but i'm not that annoyed, i swear

i'm just having a chat

since which point? My readslist with you as null?

since the post where you said you were supicious of me but didn't explain why

you're cutting out the "for poorly thought out reasons" clause that is kind of important

[furtiveglance]

I would. I'll settle for my 'cookie bites' cereal straight out of the box instead

[petapan]

there are you happy would you like a lollipop

can i have one