Hollow Knight Mafia [game over]

[furtiveglance]

None of this is making me think petapan is town. Why don't you case someone other than Baltar? I'll give you some townpoints when you do

[Firebringer]

wow that lolipop even comes with some free dirt.
Thanks petapan!

i feel like talking about blacks scumread of ari.
But there isn't much to talk about.
Its the first thing from black i don't like.
I guess that is worth mentioning at least.

Maybe i will have to wait to see if anything i like comes from it.

[furtiveglance]

there are you happy would you like a lollipop

can i have one

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This reminds me of Mall Cop

[furtiveglance]

I messed up the formatting

[redFF]

need your thought processes behind how u reached these conclusions. It’d be helpful if you could paint the picture so it’s super clear for me

this post feels alisae attempting to look town by not providing their own content, but instead pushing furtive to deliver content, in a way that feels perfomative

This is a weird read. Do you expect Alisae to be providing content in that post in particular? They're asking furtive for reads to better understand him (396).

And it'd only be performative if Alisae hasn't been explaining their reads, but I feel like they have been

Alisae explain thought process behind thought process being helpful?^

Transparency is helpful when it comes to reading people are at least trying to see eye to eye with them. I don't really see any reason why you can't push yourself to try to elaborate on why you have the reads that you do in thread. I've been trying to push myself to do that at least. Even if it's like obv you should still try to elaborate on why you see that in that light and maybe try pointing to posts that make you feel that way. As a wolf something I like to do a lot is not explain obv reads, as a wolf it's really easy to put the obv read (especially obvtownies) in the obv spot w/o much reasoning behind it.

Best way to show towniness is to post literally every single thought you have into the gamethread even if it's a bad one.

again, giving advice, pushing for more information, and attempting to look like they want everyone to post in a pro-town way, it just feels overly performative to me

They were asked to explain their thought process. It doesn't really feel like you're considering motive here

i said my piece, i like my vote

[petapan]

None of this is making me think petapan is town. Why don't you case someone other than Baltar? I'll give you some townpoints when you do

[furtiveglance]

I think both of the Alisae/Aristeia twins are town

[furtiveglance]

I like my vote on redFF, but if people want Klick more then I'll move

Until then, meh

[petapan]

wow that lolipop even comes with some free dirt.
Thanks petapan!

i feel like talking about blacks scumread of ari.
But there isn't much to talk about.
Its the first thing from black i don't like.
I guess that is worth mentioning at least.

Maybe i will have to wait to see if anything i like comes from it.

i think the characterization of ari as fluff/no substance is inaccurate but i can see a player unfamiliar with the playstyle scumreading ari for it. or conversely a scum player thinking she'd be a good push. the possibilities contain multitudes or smth

[VP Baltar]

i don't believe this is at all genuine from baltar, he's focusing on something simplistic to push on that doesn't have any actual connection to whether the person is scum

You're literally trying to make the argument against me that I'm making to Asri...reads that disconnected from substance and true belief.

You fucking with me here?

"you too" is not a convincing defense, nor is what i'm saying remotely similar to you

your argument is that asri refusing to explain their reads makes them scum who is faking opinions

i don't think this is a remotely correct tell and in the case of a clear gimmick alt is likely intentionally stylistic. i don't find it super endearing but someone refusing to explain their reads in the early game certainly isn't a scumtell and you've played enough to know that

this doesn't particularly make asri town, however your case looks like one scum would make


your two pushes so far are downright horrendous in their reasoning, borderline nonsensical, and look significantly more like scum stretching to make irrelevant things look scummy because you can't make a real case

I'm not saying "you too"

I'm saying you can't seriously expect someone to take you as credible when you're literally making essentially the same argument as a reason to call me bad.

You can call me "horrendous" for making thin pushes in early game ... but what do you expect cases to be at this point in a large game?

I don't think my reasoning of scum faking townreads for malarkey reasons WHICH HAPPENS IN LITERALLY EVERY GAME EVER is "horrendous" in the slightest. Thin, sure. Bad, not even close.

Assessing people's reasoning for townreads is actually quite effective at finding who has legit lines of thought and who doesn't, and you definitely know this.

If this is you trying to pressure me to get a read, that's not really how to sort me. If you're telling me you legit believe this is scummy behavior...well

[Firebringer]

VPB are u saying peta pan push is a null or townie or scummy.
What is ur stance on peta pushing u if one and why not if u don't have one

[Firebringer]

that seems like a push to see if peta is just reaction testing u or not.
idk if im reading into things but it seems like we in a situation where ur like "do i need to seriously fight this or is peta just gut checking and i can pass with a decent post reply.

[VP Baltar]

VPB are u saying peta pan push is a null or townie or scummy.
What is ur stance on peta pushing u if one and why not if u don't have one

I don't know. That's what I'm trying to assess here from him. If he's reaction testing me, like just stop.

If he is being serious, I have concerns.

[petapan]

alisae is givine me seriously bad vibes and their posting is super sinister to me so

Which posts

it's mostly gut but i will try explaining my thoughts. generally aristeia is seems like they are trying to assert control over the town and be seen as a leading presence. there's been a lot of talk about their own playstyle, doling out advice. to me, it feels performative in a "look how much thought i'm putting into the game" kind of way.

i think 316 is an odd post dropping so many townreads so early, with their 3rd post of the game. feels like an attempt to hard establish themselves as a town player putting deep thought into the game. but really its just calling a bunch of people light townreads which is the easiest thing in the world to do for scum.

this is okay, don't really see the case on Ari but for someone who hasn't played a mafia game in 8 yearsit's a decent thought

i think people were getting on redff's case too much for trolling/shitposting in the early game and i feel like there are big error bars there for a player who hasn't played in a long time

tbh i think regardless of his alignment he was probbly targeted early game by scum?? because someone playing like that either looks like an easy miselim or someone you dont want on your team

[Firebringer]

i think people were getting on redff's case too much for trolling/shitposting in the early game and i feel like there are big error bars there for a player who hasn't played in a long time

u didn't push a single person who was on my case for trolling/shitposting.
WOW

Also i don't think redff is just trolling right now. I vibe scum it. If this is all u got for redff not scum. I want better.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

i said my piece, i like my vote

VOTE: redFF

I like my vote too

[Firebringer]

Well now i like my redff vote less

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Ouch!

[Firebringer]

I don't trust you!

[Firebringer]

I have yet to see one thought from you CSF where im like "yeah thats a town CSF thought"
Game is young though. Maybe you just need time

[petapan]

I'm not saying "you too"

I'm saying you can't seriously expect someone to take you as credible when you're literally making essentially the same argument as a reason to call me bad.

You can call me "horrendous" for making thin pushes in early game ... but what do you expect cases to be at this point in a large game?

I don't think my reasoning of scum faking townreads for malarkey reasons WHICH HAPPENS IN LITERALLY EVERY GAME EVER is "horrendous" in the slightest. Thin, sure. Bad, not even close.

Assessing people's reasoning for townreads is actually quite effective at finding who has legit lines of thought and who doesn't, and you definitely know this.

If this is you trying to pressure me to get a read, that's not really how to sort me. If you're telling me you legit believe this is scummy behavior...well

"i'm not saying you too i'm just saing you're making the same argument"

like ???

by definition any early game push is thin but you didn't act like it was thin, you acted with a really disproportionate confidence. and the problem with this is i don't actually think you tried to assess asri's reasoning for their townreads, you just went "okay you can't answer me you're clearly fake die"

which, like, isn't how the game works and doesn't come across as actually attempting to assess asri's alignmnt

like i've been saying, surface level

[furtiveglance]

CSF has been surprise town to me before, it's quite cool when that happens

[petapan]

i think people were getting on redff's case too much for trolling/shitposting in the early game and i feel like there are big error bars there for a player who hasn't played in a long time

u didn't push a single person who was on my case for trolling/shitposting.
WOW

Also i don't think redff is just trolling right now. I vibe scum it. If this is all u got for redff not scum. I want better.

that's because it was funny to have everyone bullying you obviously

idk, not saying i'm super confident in the read at all but i don't feel like pushing redff right now. i obviously don't think he's trolling anymore, he got serious with his posts. why do you vibe it scum?

[furtiveglance]

Actually, should we powerlim CSF

I'm torn

[furtiveglance]

Just disregard everything I say apart from the most recent thing

redFF flips red today.