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Yeah, 'course it makes sense. It's all very possible. But it is, at this point, nothing more than speculation.
What I'm missing is the evidence other than "I said so"-
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Eiralox Mafia Scum
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Looks like all I'm doing on this ship is repeating myself. This game isn't Normal. So. A miller-equivalent not functioning like a normal miller is like....... normal?In post 3422, Radical Rat wrote: It is 100% possible that Elements lied.
What it isn't is confirmed. The only result that doesn't add up is today's, and that's better explained by Malakittens lying, because, again...
1. Miller doesn't make sense in this setup
And now I am ignoring you.
Day Three maybe thread clutter helped ya'll in mis-lliming Gamma. Ain't gonna happen here.-
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Doesn't seem to have stopped you at any point this game so farIn post 3426, Eiralox wrote: Looks like all I'm doing on this ship is repeating myself.I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald
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Thank you for ignoring the entire rest of the post that already covers that I know it's likely a non-normal Miller, if it exists at all.-
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Spoiler:No matter how high the stakes, sooner or later you're just gonna have to go with your gut.
And maybe, just maybe, that'll take you right where you were supposed to be.
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viewtopic.php?t=90193&user_select%5B%5D=36844In post 3425, Radical Rat wrote: Yeah, 'course it makes sense. It's all very possible. But it is, at this point, nothing more than speculation.
What I'm missing is the evidence other than "I said so"
Why your Mala argument is bad.
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Eiralox Mafia Scum
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Thank you!In post 3424, Killing Joke wrote:
VOTE: ElementsIn post 3423, Eiralox wrote: Enchant checks Mala Night 1 and checks ActionDan Night 2. Makes sense, no? Not saying it played out exactly like that but c'mon, out of all these 'claims' only one is verified as truth, KJ very easy to fake as I said cos c'mon KJ u were bleeding obvious Loya;l Sailor start D2.
What is everyone missing here?
Why does everyone like to be lied to like this?
I'm real confused about humans rn ngl
I'm stepping away now, I need to cool my head.
But........ you've felt good! Makes me think I can hammer Gimli and my paranoia RE: you and elements was much to do about nothing, D1 points away from KJ/Elements but whatever.
I do think I can vote Gimli.
BUT
I wanna hear from both Mala and Bella, as I said earlier. Now I'm gonna clutter this thread less, so ppl can actually read.-
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Elements she/herBloopshe/her
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VOTE: Eira
Literally the only thing you've done in the last two game days is "Elements and Gimli are scum. You are all terrible at the game for not realising this. I'm going to case them and then you'll see!"
You've then not cased anyone and just kept saying the same things over and over again, and somehow people are townreading you for it.
I'm not thinking it is 5/4 and Eira is scum with Mala pushing for my mis-lim to win the game. Eira/Mala/Bella/KJ??I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald
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Also side note: didn’t we have a long discussion about elements lie via results which made us think she was scum?
Was rat apart of that? Or pretending to have anemisa as that didn’t happen.
I’m tired and I’m being very short. I’m laying in my bed refusin to move rnNo matter how high the stakes, sooner or later you're just gonna have to go with your gut.
And maybe, just maybe, that'll take you right where you were supposed to be.
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I was voting you because I think you're scumIn post 3429, Malakittens wrote: Elements — you said gamma was scum reading me, which is true, but if you look here that gamma is actually overall townreading me.
I checked you at night for gammaI agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald
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People not seeing you for the wolf you are sorta forced my hand, cos no one else was doing it? It certainly ain't fun : /In post 3427, Elements wrote:
Doesn't seem to have stopped you at any point this game so farIn post 3426, Eiralox wrote: Looks like all I'm doing on this ship is repeating myself.-
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ELE in Otder for eira and kk to Jill yoy they need me on their side
I just don’t think it’s the right play to kill a cop after a scum cop has died
ESP with what looks like limited roles on towns side
I mean maybe you’ll flip scum with another role
And yoy lied to fabricate that
But the off chance you are town and voting yoy what seems to be melo
NahNo matter how high the stakes, sooner or later you're just gonna have to go with your gut.
And maybe, just maybe, that'll take you right where you were supposed to be.
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Congrats and all you got that I was a non vanilla
SHOCKING
oh right
I killed enchantNo matter how high the stakes, sooner or later you're just gonna have to go with your gut.
And maybe, just maybe, that'll take you right where you were supposed to be.
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Eiralox Mafia Scum
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Meh.In post 3432, Elements wrote: VOTE: Eira
Literally the only thing you've done in the last two game days is "Elements and Gimli are scum. You are all terrible at the game for not realising this. I'm going to case them and then you'll see!"
You've then not cased anyone and just kept saying the same things over and over again, and somehow people are townreading you for it.
I'm not thinking it is 5/4 and Eira is scum with Mala pushing for my mis-lim to win the game. Eira/Mala/Bella/KJ??
Good luck?
Not really.
Shoulda gunned for me instead of Mala from the start, as I've said. I honestly might just have rolled over instead of putting myself through the hell of defending against 3-4 scum AND BBT.-
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Cool. Thing there though is that Flavia didn't pretend to have information she didn't, and also checked and got clarification. Also her role PM did actually describe the role. Slightly ambiguously worded, but it did at least make an attempt to say what the role did, not just drop a name with no elaboration.In post 3430, Killing Joke wrote:
viewtopic.php?t=90193&user_select%5B%5D=36844In post 3425, Radical Rat wrote: Yeah, 'course it makes sense. It's all very possible. But it is, at this point, nothing more than speculation.
What I'm missing is the evidence other than "I said so"
Why your Mala argument is bad.
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Malakittens claimed there was information worth hiding from Mafia, then said there wasn't any actually, and that's independent of whether there actually is or isn't or should be or shouldn't be. She lied about it, regardless of what's actually in the PM.-
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I get this. They're really scummy tho. I'm pushing Elements cos I'm paranoid at this point, afraid that Gimli lim is insta-loss even tho I still 100% feel my solve of Gimli/Elements/Flea and then Rat is correct.In post 3436, Malakittens wrote: ELE in Otder for eira and kk to Jill yoy they need me on their side
I just don’t think it’s the right play to kill a cop after a scum cop has died
ESP with what looks like limited roles on towns side
I mean maybe you’ll flip scum with another role
And yoy lied to fabricate that
But the off chance you are town and voting yoy what seems to be melo
Nah
But as I said, I'm stepping back for now.-
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Killing Joke They/ThemGoonThey/Them
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Your argument totally hinges on whether or not traitors exist, so it’s tinfoily at best. I’m not voting the first player to kill actual scum here. Traitors don’t usually gaf about getting towncred. It’s tantamount to gamethrowing for a traitor - if they do even exist in this game - to try to shoot groupscum for towncred because traitors just don’t normally do that unless god only knows what mind bending drugs an actual traitor would have to be on to do that. Just why?In post 3439, Radical Rat wrote:
Cool. Thing there though is that Flavia didn't pretend to have information she didn't, and also checked and got clarification. Also her role PM did actually describe the role. Slightly ambiguously worded, but it did at least make an attempt to say what the role did, not just drop a name with no elaboration.In post 3430, Killing Joke wrote:
viewtopic.php?t=90193&user_select%5B%5D=36844In post 3425, Radical Rat wrote: Yeah, 'course it makes sense. It's all very possible. But it is, at this point, nothing more than speculation.
What I'm missing is the evidence other than "I said so"
Why your Mala argument is bad.
~H
Malakittens claimed there was information worth hiding from Mafia, then said there wasn't any actually, and that's independent of whether there actually is or isn't or should be or shouldn't be. She lied about it, regardless of what's actually in the PM.
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I do want to say though, thank you for sending this. More effort than anyone else has bothered to put into this, and I appreciate that, even though I don't agree with the conclusion.In post 3439, Radical Rat wrote:
Cool. Thing there though is that Flavia didn't pretend to have information she didn't, and also checked and got clarification. Also her role PM did actually describe the role. Slightly ambiguously worded, but it did at least make an attempt to say what the role did, not just drop a name with no elaboration.In post 3430, Killing Joke wrote:
viewtopic.php?t=90193&user_select%5B%5D=36844In post 3425, Radical Rat wrote: Yeah, 'course it makes sense. It's all very possible. But it is, at this point, nothing more than speculation.
What I'm missing is the evidence other than "I said so"
Why your Mala argument is bad.
~H
Malakittens claimed there was information worth hiding from Mafia, then said there wasn't any actually, and that's independent of whether there actually is or isn't or should be or shouldn't be. She lied about it, regardless of what's actually in the PM.-
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She wasn't trying to shoot groupscum in my theory; she wouldn't have known Enchant was scum. I said it was possible she just didn't care if she missed, but that is only a possibility, and I never once said I thought it was outright intentional.In post 3441, Killing Joke wrote:
Your argument totally hinges on whether or not traitors exist, so it’s tinfoily at best. I’m not voting the first player to kill actual scum here. Traitors don’t usually gaf about getting towncred. It’s tantamount to gamethrowing for a traitor - if they do even exist in this game - to try to shoot groupscum for towncred because traitors just don’t normally do that unless god only knows what mind bending drugs an actual traitor would have to be on to do that. Just why?In post 3439, Radical Rat wrote:
Cool. Thing there though is that Flavia didn't pretend to have information she didn't, and also checked and got clarification. Also her role PM did actually describe the role. Slightly ambiguously worded, but it did at least make an attempt to say what the role did, not just drop a name with no elaboration.In post 3430, Killing Joke wrote:
viewtopic.php?t=90193&user_select%5B%5D=36844In post 3425, Radical Rat wrote: Yeah, 'course it makes sense. It's all very possible. But it is, at this point, nothing more than speculation.
What I'm missing is the evidence other than "I said so"
Why your Mala argument is bad.
~H
Malakittens claimed there was information worth hiding from Mafia, then said there wasn't any actually, and that's independent of whether there actually is or isn't or should be or shouldn't be. She lied about it, regardless of what's actually in the PM.
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You're right that it hinges on a traitor existing. But Malakittens has been caught lying, and her lying solves the problem with Elements' result. There's a reason I was hesitant when I first thought of the idea, but it really does just make sense once you accept the possibility.-
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What changed?In post 1456, Elements wrote:
I don't scumread MalaIn post 1442, Enchant wrote: Why you didn't target claimed Miller as well then-
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Tell me once again the “lie” because like I say, town lies all the damn time about such things. Like town one shot tracker in The Shape of Water lied about only having a one shot or I might have that reversed? But point is that town tracker lied in that game about how many shots they had.In post 3443, Radical Rat wrote:
She wasn't trying to shoot groupscum in my theory; she wouldn't have known Enchant was scum. I said it was possible she just didn't care if she missed, but that is only a possibility, and I never once said I thought it was outright intentional.In post 3441, Killing Joke wrote:
Your argument totally hinges on whether or not traitors exist, so it’s tinfoily at best. I’m not voting the first player to kill actual scum here. Traitors don’t usually gaf about getting towncred. It’s tantamount to gamethrowing for a traitor - if they do even exist in this game - to try to shoot groupscum for towncred because traitors just don’t normally do that unless god only knows what mind bending drugs an actual traitor would have to be on to do that. Just why?In post 3439, Radical Rat wrote:
Cool. Thing there though is that Flavia didn't pretend to have information she didn't, and also checked and got clarification. Also her role PM did actually describe the role. Slightly ambiguously worded, but it did at least make an attempt to say what the role did, not just drop a name with no elaboration.In post 3430, Killing Joke wrote:
viewtopic.php?t=90193&user_select%5B%5D=36844In post 3425, Radical Rat wrote: Yeah, 'course it makes sense. It's all very possible. But it is, at this point, nothing more than speculation.
What I'm missing is the evidence other than "I said so"
Why your Mala argument is bad.
~H
Malakittens claimed there was information worth hiding from Mafia, then said there wasn't any actually, and that's independent of whether there actually is or isn't or should be or shouldn't be. She lied about it, regardless of what's actually in the PM.
~H
You're right that it hinges on a traitor existing. But Malakittens has been caught lying, and her lying solves the problem with Elements' result. There's a reason I was hesitant when I first thought of the idea, but it really does just make sense once you accept the possibility.
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In post 3361, Radical Rat wrote:
Right here. This is the active lying. Explain how it isn't.In post 3303, Radical Rat wrote:In post 3158, Malakittens wrote: The less amount of information that scum has the better. Can we just move on?
Unless you are telling me that I’m scum and enchant bussed me by fishing for my role.
I'll let the asshole thing slide since it was apparently influenced by outside forces, and I think that's mostly reasonable.In post 3181, Malakittens wrote:
YesIn post 3178, Radical Rat wrote: So, to be 100% clear, all it says is that "you are a miller" with no elaboration on what that means?
But these two posts should not exist in the same universe, EVEN IF we allow the possibility of a Role PM that doesn't explain the role.
The first one implies that information exists, otherwise there'd be nothing to hide from scum, and no reason to ask to move on instead. The answer would be "I already claimed everything" or something along those lines. The latter one claims that there was no such information.
And this isn't an instance of hiding a lack of power as bait either, because "I don't know" is completely neutral and doesn't influence what scum can or can't do with the role.
If she'd said she was only claiming miller to avoid the kill, and said so once the results discrepancy happened, I'd even buy that. But she didn't, and it's too late now that she's reaffirmed the claim multiple times.-
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The almost complete acceptance of the miller claim, that she's done basically nothing all game and no one has even looked in her direction until now, and everything RR has talked about.In post 3444, Bellaphant wrote: What changed?I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald
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Did you miss the post where I said I was informed town role blocker and only claimed the informed part? Why couldn’t town!Mala want to be hiding the vig to not being nk’d?In post 3446, Radical Rat wrote:In post 3361, Radical Rat wrote:
Right here. This is the active lying. Explain how it isn't.In post 3303, Radical Rat wrote:In post 3158, Malakittens wrote: The less amount of information that scum has the better. Can we just move on?
Unless you are telling me that I’m scum and enchant bussed me by fishing for my role.
I'll let the asshole thing slide since it was apparently influenced by outside forces, and I think that's mostly reasonable.In post 3181, Malakittens wrote:
YesIn post 3178, Radical Rat wrote: So, to be 100% clear, all it says is that "you are a miller" with no elaboration on what that means?
But these two posts should not exist in the same universe, EVEN IF we allow the possibility of a Role PM that doesn't explain the role.
The first one implies that information exists, otherwise there'd be nothing to hide from scum, and no reason to ask to move on instead. The answer would be "I already claimed everything" or something along those lines. The latter one claims that there was no such information.
And this isn't an instance of hiding a lack of power as bait either, because "I don't know" is completely neutral and doesn't influence what scum can or can't do with the role.
If she'd said she was only claiming miller to avoid the kill, and said so once the results discrepancy happened, I'd even buy that. But she didn't, and it's too late now that she's reaffirmed the claim multiple times.
Also, Elements claimed when d2 right? Why weren’t they blackspotted n2? Why wouldn’t scum have wanted to have wanted to silence town!Elements?
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In post 3367, Radical Rat wrote: You're not listening to me Harley.
I don't care that she didn't claim the killing part.
I care that she acted as though she had information, then claimed there was no information. THAT'S the contradiction.
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