HMS Mutiny [Game Over]

[Radical Rat]

Yeah, 'course it makes sense. It's all very possible. But it is, at this point, nothing more than speculation.

What I'm missing is the evidence other than "I said so"

[Eiralox]

It is 100% possible that Elements lied.

What it isn't is confirmed. The only result that doesn't add up is today's, and that's better explained by Malakittens lying, because, again...

1. Miller doesn't make sense in this setup

Looks like all I'm doing on this ship is repeating myself. This game isn't Normal. So. A miller-equivalent not functioning like a normal miller is like....... normal?


And now I am ignoring you.

Day Three maybe thread clutter helped ya'll in mis-lliming Gamma. Ain't gonna happen here.

[Elements]

Looks like all I'm doing on this ship is repeating myself.

Doesn't seem to have stopped you at any point this game so far

[Radical Rat]

Thank you for ignoring the entire rest of the post that already covers that I know it's likely a non-normal Miller, if it exists at all.

[Malakittens]

Spoiler:

Just did a Mala ISO

I am Miller.

That is all good night.

Well well well, if it isn't the early claim!

It has to be. It’s the only way to play Miller.

I am Miller.

That is all good night.

Well well well, if it isn't the early claim!

Miller is a required post 1 claim on this site

That^

I am Miller.

That is all good night.

Well well well, if it isn't the early claim!

Miller is a required post 1 claim on this site

News to this one but makes sense, outside of the possibility of fakeclaim and yadda yadda not important to consider right now.

I mean a potential cop could waste a check on me, but I’m come up guilty. My role is to weaken cop so it’s better for them to know not to waste a check on me.

D1 of a large, eugh.
VOTE: Malakittens
Miller go yeet.

Flea go yeeeet.

I get a real bad vibe out of some of the wording here

Who asked?

'Cuz it wasn't us.

Hate this

BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETLEJUICEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Also hate this

Might just vote std just to move this game on.

This is legit just focusing all time and energy

Like come on

It’s getting in the way of hunting imo

Also my cat just bit me while I was sleeping so here I am awake when I need to be up in 4 hours

I think I'm right about Dragons because I remember Dragons feeling like they were more helpful than this as Town. I kind of read them like Gamma where if they feel helpful then I think they're Town and if they feel disruptive then I think they're scum. How strong would you say you Town Dragons right now? I'm not inflexible.

Yes this a side track but I wanted to make a point of this when I replaced in, chickened out, and now that I see it again I have a smarter response to it.
OI JOKER! You got Fenrir wrong on this philosophy and you’re doing it again to me.

Do you not think, for just a second, that maybe, just maybe, your method reading the BOTH of us, SUCKS DONKEY BALLS?

Okay…
What is this Black Spot?

If scum killed enchant then they think either he is playing to his town meta or else other people can determine that. I am not familiar with either but I'm doubtful that it's due to fear. Also I would assume it means scum thinks they have the town where they want them.

Immediate people to look at are Titus/Passenger/Elements. I never read Elements meta, I ought to do that. I still think HPE / KJ are town. I think Flea is just town now.

Both of these players are being placed in my townbin for this.

For all the bad scumreads on me, I like this even less somehow. It underrates my scumgame, I think.

KJ appearing to have role specific information on Fenrir (who was a VT) sure is interesting as well.

Can't wait to hear all about that.

NGL i hated that and i hate it even more that STD flipped town
it felt like that was the "push" they needed in order to get std flipped

part of me really wants to townread KJ, but i don't like this at all.

This is actually solid
I also skipped a lot of stuff that was okay earlier too

as of right now I have the following players in my townbin

{Titus, KJ, AD, Gamma}

Id' be ok with yeeting the following players:

Gimli I still have a leftover read from the original slot
bella
hpe

enchant is like on a soft town read rn

VOTE: gimli

Mala was pushing Andres earlier, this is good consistency

Idk but Eira feels like scum failing which is weird bc they aren’t under pressure when they stated acting like that,

I feel like Kj is p clear to be town to me right now between Meta and Titus. So not touching there with a 29008493 foot pole.

Elements im kinda ont be fence about. I can see elements being a scum pr.

Enchant is p town imo

Gamma can go either way

Action Dan can go eight way

Radialrwt might be town but idk how they play but I’m townreading they slot

Flea I think is fae town.

Gimli is gonna be sorted out but obv scum js

Bbt might be town but idk

These actually pretty nuanced

All in all there’s some boba fire stinkers in her ISO but bafflingly enough I think I’m coming out of it townreading her.

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Ironic I said I was gonn do this, but I don’t have a choice.

Elements — you said gamma was scum reading me, which is true, but if you look here that gamma is actually overall townreading me.

So voting me for gamma is suscipion as hell

[Killing Joke]

Yeah, 'course it makes sense. It's all very possible. But it is, at this point, nothing more than speculation.

What I'm missing is the evidence other than "I said so"

viewtopic.php?t=90193&user_select%5B%5D=36844

Why your Mala argument is bad.

~H

[Eiralox]

Enchant checks Mala Night 1 and checks ActionDan Night 2. Makes sense, no? Not saying it played out exactly like that but c'mon, out of all these 'claims' only one is verified as truth, KJ very easy to fake as I said cos c'mon KJ u were bleeding obvious Loya;l Sailor start D2.

What is everyone missing here?

Why does everyone like to be lied to like this?

I'm real confused about humans rn ngl

VOTE: Elements

Thank you!

I'm stepping away now, I need to cool my head.

But........ you've felt good! Makes me think I can hammer Gimli and my paranoia RE: you and elements was much to do about nothing, D1 points away from KJ/Elements but whatever.

I do think I can vote Gimli.

BUT

I wanna hear from both Mala and Bella, as I said earlier. Now I'm gonna clutter this thread less, so ppl can actually read.

[Elements]

VOTE: Eira
Literally the only thing you've done in the last two game days is "Elements and Gimli are scum. You are all terrible at the game for not realising this. I'm going to case them and then you'll see!"
You've then not cased anyone and just kept saying the same things over and over again, and somehow people are townreading you for it.
I'm not thinking it is 5/4 and Eira is scum with Mala pushing for my mis-lim to win the game. Eira/Mala/Bella/KJ??

[Malakittens]

Also side note: didn’t we have a long discussion about elements lie via results which made us think she was scum?
Was rat apart of that? Or pretending to have anemisa as that didn’t happen.

I’m tired and I’m being very short. I’m laying in my bed refusin to move rn

[Elements]

Elements — you said gamma was scum reading me, which is true, but if you look here that gamma is actually overall townreading me.

I was voting you because I think you're scum
I checked you at night for gamma

[Eiralox]

Looks like all I'm doing on this ship is repeating myself.

Doesn't seem to have stopped you at any point this game so far

People not seeing you for the wolf you are sorta forced my hand, cos no one else was doing it? It certainly ain't fun : /

[Malakittens]

ELE in Otder for eira and kk to Jill yoy they need me on their side
I just don’t think it’s the right play to kill a cop after a scum cop has died
ESP with what looks like limited roles on towns side
I mean maybe you’ll flip scum with another role
And yoy lied to fabricate that
But the off chance you are town and voting yoy what seems to be melo
Nah

[Malakittens]

Congrats and all you got that I was a non vanilla
SHOCKING

oh right
I killed enchant

[Eiralox]

VOTE: Eira
Literally the only thing you've done in the last two game days is "Elements and Gimli are scum. You are all terrible at the game for not realising this. I'm going to case them and then you'll see!"
You've then not cased anyone and just kept saying the same things over and over again, and somehow people are townreading you for it.
I'm not thinking it is 5/4 and Eira is scum with Mala pushing for my mis-lim to win the game. Eira/Mala/Bella/KJ??

Meh.

Good luck?

Not really.

Shoulda gunned for me instead of Mala from the start, as I've said. I honestly might just have rolled over instead of putting myself through the hell of defending against 3-4 scum AND BBT.

[Radical Rat]

Yeah, 'course it makes sense. It's all very possible. But it is, at this point, nothing more than speculation.

What I'm missing is the evidence other than "I said so"

viewtopic.php?t=90193&user_select%5B%5D=36844

Why your Mala argument is bad.

~H

Cool. Thing there though is that Flavia didn't pretend to have information she didn't, and also checked and got clarification. Also her role PM did actually describe the role. Slightly ambiguously worded, but it did at least make an attempt to say what the role did, not just drop a name with no elaboration.

Malakittens claimed there was information worth hiding from Mafia, then said there wasn't any actually, and that's independent of whether there actually is or isn't or should be or shouldn't be. She lied about it, regardless of what's actually in the PM.

[Eiralox]

ELE in Otder for eira and kk to Jill yoy they need me on their side
I just don’t think it’s the right play to kill a cop after a scum cop has died
ESP with what looks like limited roles on towns side
I mean maybe you’ll flip scum with another role
And yoy lied to fabricate that
But the off chance you are town and voting yoy what seems to be melo
Nah

I get this. They're really scummy tho. I'm pushing Elements cos I'm paranoid at this point, afraid that Gimli lim is insta-loss even tho I still 100% feel my solve of Gimli/Elements/Flea and then Rat is correct.

But as I said, I'm stepping back for now.

[Killing Joke]

Yeah, 'course it makes sense. It's all very possible. But it is, at this point, nothing more than speculation.

What I'm missing is the evidence other than "I said so"

viewtopic.php?t=90193&user_select%5B%5D=36844

Why your Mala argument is bad.

~H

Cool. Thing there though is that Flavia didn't pretend to have information she didn't, and also checked and got clarification. Also her role PM did actually describe the role. Slightly ambiguously worded, but it did at least make an attempt to say what the role did, not just drop a name with no elaboration.

Malakittens claimed there was information worth hiding from Mafia, then said there wasn't any actually, and that's independent of whether there actually is or isn't or should be or shouldn't be. She lied about it, regardless of what's actually in the PM.

Your argument totally hinges on whether or not traitors exist, so it’s tinfoily at best. I’m not voting the first player to kill actual scum here. Traitors don’t usually gaf about getting towncred. It’s tantamount to gamethrowing for a traitor - if they do even exist in this game - to try to shoot groupscum for towncred because traitors just don’t normally do that unless god only knows what mind bending drugs an actual traitor would have to be on to do that. Just why?

~H

[Radical Rat]

Yeah, 'course it makes sense. It's all very possible. But it is, at this point, nothing more than speculation.

What I'm missing is the evidence other than "I said so"

viewtopic.php?t=90193&user_select%5B%5D=36844

Why your Mala argument is bad.

~H

Cool. Thing there though is that Flavia didn't pretend to have information she didn't, and also checked and got clarification. Also her role PM did actually describe the role. Slightly ambiguously worded, but it did at least make an attempt to say what the role did, not just drop a name with no elaboration.

Malakittens claimed there was information worth hiding from Mafia, then said there wasn't any actually, and that's independent of whether there actually is or isn't or should be or shouldn't be. She lied about it, regardless of what's actually in the PM.

I do want to say though, thank you for sending this. More effort than anyone else has bothered to put into this, and I appreciate that, even though I don't agree with the conclusion.

[Radical Rat]

Yeah, 'course it makes sense. It's all very possible. But it is, at this point, nothing more than speculation.

What I'm missing is the evidence other than "I said so"

viewtopic.php?t=90193&user_select%5B%5D=36844

Why your Mala argument is bad.

~H

Cool. Thing there though is that Flavia didn't pretend to have information she didn't, and also checked and got clarification. Also her role PM did actually describe the role. Slightly ambiguously worded, but it did at least make an attempt to say what the role did, not just drop a name with no elaboration.

Malakittens claimed there was information worth hiding from Mafia, then said there wasn't any actually, and that's independent of whether there actually is or isn't or should be or shouldn't be. She lied about it, regardless of what's actually in the PM.

Your argument totally hinges on whether or not traitors exist, so it’s tinfoily at best. I’m not voting the first player to kill actual scum here. Traitors don’t usually gaf about getting towncred. It’s tantamount to gamethrowing for a traitor - if they do even exist in this game - to try to shoot groupscum for towncred because traitors just don’t normally do that unless god only knows what mind bending drugs an actual traitor would have to be on to do that. Just why?

~H

She wasn't trying to shoot groupscum in my theory; she wouldn't have known Enchant was scum. I said it was possible she just didn't care if she missed, but that is only a possibility, and I never once said I thought it was outright intentional.

You're right that it hinges on a traitor existing. But Malakittens has been caught lying, and her lying solves the problem with Elements' result. There's a reason I was hesitant when I first thought of the idea, but it really does just make sense once you accept the possibility.

[Bellaphant]

Why you didn't target claimed Miller as well then

I don't scumread Mala

What changed?

[Killing Joke]

Yeah, 'course it makes sense. It's all very possible. But it is, at this point, nothing more than speculation.

What I'm missing is the evidence other than "I said so"

viewtopic.php?t=90193&user_select%5B%5D=36844

Why your Mala argument is bad.

~H

Cool. Thing there though is that Flavia didn't pretend to have information she didn't, and also checked and got clarification. Also her role PM did actually describe the role. Slightly ambiguously worded, but it did at least make an attempt to say what the role did, not just drop a name with no elaboration.

Malakittens claimed there was information worth hiding from Mafia, then said there wasn't any actually, and that's independent of whether there actually is or isn't or should be or shouldn't be. She lied about it, regardless of what's actually in the PM.

Your argument totally hinges on whether or not traitors exist, so it’s tinfoily at best. I’m not voting the first player to kill actual scum here. Traitors don’t usually gaf about getting towncred. It’s tantamount to gamethrowing for a traitor - if they do even exist in this game - to try to shoot groupscum for towncred because traitors just don’t normally do that unless god only knows what mind bending drugs an actual traitor would have to be on to do that. Just why?

~H

She wasn't trying to shoot groupscum in my theory; she wouldn't have known Enchant was scum. I said it was possible she just didn't care if she missed, but that is only a possibility, and I never once said I thought it was outright intentional.

You're right that it hinges on a traitor existing. But Malakittens has been caught lying, and her lying solves the problem with Elements' result. There's a reason I was hesitant when I first thought of the idea, but it really does just make sense once you accept the possibility.

Tell me once again the “lie” because like I say, town lies all the damn time about such things. Like town one shot tracker in The Shape of Water lied about only having a one shot or I might have that reversed? But point is that town tracker lied in that game about how many shots they had.

~H

[Radical Rat]

The less amount of information that scum has the better. Can we just move on?

Unless you are telling me that I’m scum and enchant bussed me by fishing for my role.

So, to be 100% clear, all it says is that "you are a miller" with no elaboration on what that means?

Yes

I'll let the asshole thing slide since it was apparently influenced by outside forces, and I think that's mostly reasonable.

But these two posts should not exist in the same universe, EVEN IF we allow the possibility of a Role PM that doesn't explain the role.

The first one implies that information exists, otherwise there'd be nothing to hide from scum, and no reason to ask to move on instead. The answer would be "I already claimed everything" or something along those lines. The latter one claims that there was no such information.

And this isn't an instance of hiding a lack of power as bait either, because "I don't know" is completely neutral and doesn't influence what scum can or can't do with the role.

If she'd said she was only claiming miller to avoid the kill, and said so once the results discrepancy happened, I'd even buy that. But she didn't, and it's too late now that she's reaffirmed the claim multiple times.

Right here. This is the active lying. Explain how it isn't.

[Elements]

What changed?

The almost complete acceptance of the miller claim, that she's done basically nothing all game and no one has even looked in her direction until now, and everything RR has talked about.

[Killing Joke]

The less amount of information that scum has the better. Can we just move on?

Unless you are telling me that I’m scum and enchant bussed me by fishing for my role.

So, to be 100% clear, all it says is that "you are a miller" with no elaboration on what that means?

Yes

I'll let the asshole thing slide since it was apparently influenced by outside forces, and I think that's mostly reasonable.

But these two posts should not exist in the same universe, EVEN IF we allow the possibility of a Role PM that doesn't explain the role.

The first one implies that information exists, otherwise there'd be nothing to hide from scum, and no reason to ask to move on instead. The answer would be "I already claimed everything" or something along those lines. The latter one claims that there was no such information.

And this isn't an instance of hiding a lack of power as bait either, because "I don't know" is completely neutral and doesn't influence what scum can or can't do with the role.

If she'd said she was only claiming miller to avoid the kill, and said so once the results discrepancy happened, I'd even buy that. But she didn't, and it's too late now that she's reaffirmed the claim multiple times.

Right here. This is the active lying. Explain how it isn't.

Did you miss the post where I said I was informed town role blocker and only claimed the informed part? Why couldn’t town!Mala want to be hiding the vig to not being nk’d?

Also, Elements claimed when d2 right? Why weren’t they blackspotted n2? Why wouldn’t scum have wanted to have wanted to silence town!Elements?

~H

[Radical Rat]

You're not listening to me Harley.

I don't care that she didn't claim the killing part.

I care that she acted as though she had information, then claimed there was no information. THAT'S the contradiction.