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[Cephrir]

They hated Cephrir because he told them the truth

[Frogsterking]

I mean you may as well be voting him, right? I don't see what else you're going to do in this situation.

? I still want Dionysus

And how is that going to look after Cephrir flips scum?

[Alchemist21]

Freud was right about the death impulse

You can always self vote in order to prevent spewing your team. It won't affect my reads but who knows, it might help.

Can you not? Cephrir wasn’t wrong when he said some of your posts were unfair to him and this is one of them.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

And how is that going to look after Cephrir flips scum?

Do you think I'm scum?

[Frogsterking]

Freud was right about the death impulse

You can always self vote in order to prevent spewing your team. It won't affect my reads but who knows, it might help.

Can you not? Cephrir wasn’t wrong when he said some of your posts were unfair to him and this is one of them.

Yeah I can do that. Sorry, Cephrir.

[Frogsterking]

And how is that going to look after Cephrir flips scum?

Do you think I'm scum?

Yes.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Why?

[Cephrir]

Thought crimes

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Alchemist, where were you going with the questions you asked Ceph?

[Eiralox]

Wise.

You know that NM doing it just to hammer?

Maybe, maybe not?

[Alchemist21]

Alchemist, where were you going with the questions you asked Ceph?

The Enchant questions were to get a bit more understanding of he’s thinking about things.

With the other questions I wanted to know if there was someone I could trust to sanity check my read on Cephrir and if to know which reads of a TownCephrir I could trust, and it would help establish some more associations if he’s scum.

Saying “nobody here can read me well” is unfortunate and doesn’t inspire a lot of faith in him being Town, and I kinda doubt he’ll even be able to change my read on him at this point, but if he does flip Town I’m sheeping his Townread on you until the end of time.

[Enchant]

Wise.

You know that NM doing it just to hammer?

Maybe, maybe not?

Ceirtanly i know better

[Cephrir]

Alchemist, where were you going with the questions you asked Ceph?

The Enchant questions were to get a bit more understanding of he’s thinking about things.

With the other questions I wanted to know if there was someone I could trust to sanity check my read on Cephrir and if to know which reads of a TownCephrir I could trust, and it would help establish some more associations if he’s scum.

Saying “nobody here can read me well” is unfortunate and doesn’t inspire a lot of faith in him being Town, and I kinda doubt he’ll even be able to change my read on him at this point, but if he does flip Town I’m sheeping his Townread on you until the end of time.

Sorry for not having more friends??? This is such a wild take

[Cephrir]

If you really need me to have some STD might be able to read me but I feel like I need more data before I let him have this

But dang you really did say the quiet part out loud about cliques dude

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I don't think he was saying you don't have friends

[Cat Scratch Fever]

The Enchant questions were to get a bit more understanding of he’s thinking about things.

Yeah that's what I was thinking of when I asked this, did that line of questioning affect your read of Enchant or Ceph?

[Alchemist21]

Alchemist, where were you going with the questions you asked Ceph?

The Enchant questions were to get a bit more understanding of he’s thinking about things.

With the other questions I wanted to know if there was someone I could trust to sanity check my read on Cephrir and if to know which reads of a TownCephrir I could trust, and it would help establish some more associations if he’s scum.

Saying “nobody here can read me well” is unfortunate and doesn’t inspire a lot of faith in him being Town, and I kinda doubt he’ll even be able to change my read on him at this point, but if he does flip Town I’m sheeping his Townread on you until the end of time.

Sorry for not having more friends??? This is such a wild take

I think I worded it poorly. I’m not scumreading you for not having anyone in this game who can metaread you, it’s just at this point I don’t think anything else would be able to make me change my read.

[Cephrir]

I mean he said there's nothing I can do to change his opinion (strong shit for page 26) but if I could provide someone who can read me well (which I don't have because I haven't played with most of this game before) that would change things

That seems like functionally the same thing

[Cephrir]

...this game much* before

[Frogsterking]

Why?

It will take me a long time to actually write up all the reasons. The first few things in chronological order were that you didn't express any paranoia about my alignment, you were extremely pockety with how you treated my page 1 post wrt to Eiralox, and I value T3's early scum ping on you pretty highly. Also, you didn't question Brickwalll while you were voting them for pressure which I notice are things you often combine as Town, and you moved your vote before Brickwalll could do anything AI. In fact this lack of questioning who you are voting and innopportune vote movements are a common theme in fact in your ISO. Non-chronologically, off the top of my head I value Enchant's point in 285 pretty highly, I noticed your SvS interaction with lycanfire, you TMI'd Penguin as Town, I believe you are a capable scum hunter who can recognize that Dionysus is likely to be Town and I believe this whole Dionysus push is likely to be a counterwagon. Tonight your language in 586 was extremely suspicious: you seem self-conscious in general when posting with Cephrir (which you do reluctantly after I call you both out together) and in 586 you felt the need to qualify that you *are* in fact trying to sort Cephrir lol.

That is basically just the cliff notes of my scum case on you. Really it is going to be quite difficult to convince me that you're Town because I have a lot on you. I think if I had to choose a few things overall that would help to change my mind it would be if you could convince me that you didn't magically divine my alignment at the beginning of the game, you and lycanfire weren't SvS, and there was some purpose behind your vote movements throughout the game.

[Cephrir]

I'll be sure to only sign up for lobbies my professional references are playing in next time lol

[Alchemist21]

If you really need me to have some STD might be able to read me but I feel like I need more data before I let him have this

But dang you really did say the quiet part out loud about cliques dude

I’m not trying to make this personal and I’m not a part of any clique. Hell, this is my first game back in over a year, maybe 2.

I’m also not assuming someone has to be your friend to read you well, or that a friend always can read you well.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I mean he said there's nothing I can do to change his opinion (strong shit for page 26)

yeah that's fair

[Frogsterking]

Town
Dionysus
Furtiveglance
Penguinpower
Enchant
Alchemist
Dragons

Town lean

Brickwalll
T3
Eiralox

Null

0

Scum lean

0

Scum

NM
CSF
Cephrir

[Alchemist21]

The Enchant questions were to get a bit more understanding of he’s thinking about things.

Yeah that's what I was thinking of when I asked this, did that line of questioning affect your read of Enchant or Ceph?

I think he has a good point on Enchant and I’m more suspicious of Enchant for it, but I kinda think Town would maybe wait it out a bit given that there are games where it took Enchant a bit to Town it up, but I also think it’s fair to go on the basis of that Enchant’s scum more often than not here given how few games there were that contradicted the point.