Gnosia Game over!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ego post

[Lady Lambdadelta]

On a plane today

[Lady Lambdadelta]

On a plane today

LLD I want to reiterate; I'm not mad at

you

but I AM

frustrated

. You're the

third

replacement to give nothing on replacing in.

It's not your fault, especially given the holidays, but it's still exasperating.

It's also Gnosia. A Flipless Game with a Engineer and Doctor who need to dictate much of the events.

I'll develop reads but the truth is you are going to see me advocating for moves that are like "kill both sides of this" because flipless.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Is Mathblade confirmed good in any capacity?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Enchant, Herta and myself are confirmed crew, and the limmed Jessica Rabbit is confirmed Gnosia.

Is there anything preventing Jessica from being Doctor and Herta from being Gnosia who took a risk and/or has a power to check dead player roles? I suppose Jessica would have claimed before she died, did she?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Math feels scum to me, is my issue

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Enchant, Herta and myself are confirmed crew, and the limmed Jessica Rabbit is confirmed Gnosia.

Is there anything preventing Jessica from being Doctor and Herta from being Gnosia who took a risk and/or has a power to check dead player roles? I suppose Jessica would have claimed before she died, did she?

Doctor’s can’t claim in this setup.

Isn't doctor the one that checks dead bodies for flips?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Anyone wanna double check my Shiki deep wolf theory?

LLD is pushing the same points as outed scum and it has me worried.

I know Jada is the elim today but LLD seems weird. I can’t put my finger on it.

Can be on later days if anyone wants to cop me but she pushing the arguments of conf scum doesn’t feel right.

What arguments am I pushing that they put?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Because I think you are scum... When you are in a grest bussing/bug slot?

Hmm

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Because I think you are scum... When you are in a grest bussing/bug slot?

Hmm

Do you think MB could be Gnosia?

Possible. They can also be Bug.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Because I think you are scum... When you are in a grest bussing/bug slot?

Hmm

Yep. Pretty much this. I don’t think you’ve put thought into why I can’t be group scum based on the setup. And bug will likely resolve itself.

I fully expect NK15 to check me and scum can’t kill me to frame me as bug. So if I die I know it’s the scum NK and then NK15 clears me. If scum kill NK15 to avoid that possibility (assuming no doc protect) then the fact I am not dead confirms me not bug. The slimmest of margins that could be argued after tonight is traitor but then traitors generally die with the last scum.

I really don’t think you’re thinking your sus through.

Cool.

Welcome to not bug status for me.

I have work fires and will get to this later.

Nope. NK15 was roleblocked last night.

No status for you.

Then Drapion slot (now LLD) is confirmed scum since they lied and said it moved votes not roleblock and Jada voted herself to support the bluff unless scum have some secret roleblock which I doubt in flipless.

I'm not the Drapion slot, but nice try?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Gimli replaces ProfessorDrapion it is now Night 2

you have (expired on 2023-01-06 05:02:10) to get actions in

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Anyway, Math is evil and so probably is Drapion so IDGAF.

Besides, Math should know my ability now right? I suspected them yesterday so they should have been able to know my ability?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

also @lld are y'all aware of whether or not shiki ended up using ur reload ability

Nope, still got it

[Lady Lambdadelta]

God Math is scum lmfao

[Lady Lambdadelta]

VOTE: LLD

just because of the 'math is scum' comment, I forgot everything else about this game by now

also I think I was voting beeboy or was going to go there but let's wait for the replacement

I'm sorry, because I think the person self voting is doing a performative bit and knows they won't ever die in freeze, you're voting for me after reacting the same was I did 2 posts earlier?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

no one:
mathblade: self votes
??????????

VOTE: LLD

just because of the 'math is scum' comment, I forgot everything else about this game by now

also I think I was voting beeboy or was going to go there but let's wait for the replacement

Like what is this cognitive dissonance, was the reaction just to say something

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I think we should consider eliminating the player who is asking to be eliminated.

I'll happily refresh a town power, though, that's not all the role can do. It apparently can also remove a power?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeah, quick recheck says it either takes away their character ability or refreshes it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Math, if you're town this game I hope you consider taking a position in mafia games going forward that checks your own ego and doesn't automatically suspect anyone who suspects you.

Because that's part of your general MO and it's what makes you impossible to play with.

You are the reason I have had a hard time engaging with this game. No one else, just you.

At this point I would happily push for you to die just so I could actually enjoy playing this game without having to defend myself from baseless OMGUS arguments that are founded on literal nothing besides "I'm too townie to be scum so you must be scum teehee".

Genuinely Unpleasant to deal with.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

not cause of the mechanics cause idk what anyone is talking about re: mech

but trying to jump on your self made wagon indicates scum to me

???

I HAVE BEEN PUSHING FOR MATHBLADE TO DIE LITERALLY THE SECOND I JOINED THIS GAME

HOW IS THIS JUMPING ON I'VE ALREADY BEEN CALLING FOR THIS

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Holy fuck can you at least pretend to read the fucking game before you open your mouth and spout uninformed nonsense like FUCK dude

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And yet, dealing with you is STILL more enjoyable than having to play counter Mathblade rn, so, I guess it's a step up

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This is not an opportunistic situation of "oh look someone is voting themselves let's kill them"

this is "oh look the person I've been scumreading for days is pulling a weird gambit trying to kill themselves, let's not allow them to use that to generate sympathy and avoid being PoE'd and killed".

[Lady Lambdadelta]

how were you so sure math was scum from the get go btw?

Because I've played with him before, because his play indicated the position of a player trying to run the town while also scum and balance the middle and their reaction to being pushed by me intitially was horrible and confirmed my suspicions.

Literally it was a gut read that turned into a positional read and then Math's reaction made it far more solidified.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

My job this game is literally just to ensure Mathblade does not go to endgame. The rest I don't care about, others can handle. You've killed a gnosia already, we can kill more. FG and Ranger seem to have a handle on the game, us losing our cop was bad but...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Refesh is a day ability so I can do it whenever lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I am considering how I want to use it tbh

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Results?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i will be going through player interactions with the flipped scum to find the last scum

not sure what to do about bug

my ability lets me detect traitors if you can refill me my shot and want me to use it on someone

Explain what that means? Like, it's a cop check?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I publicly ask someone to state their role, and they must do so, unless they are Gnosia, Bug, or Guardian Angel.

I confirmed with the mod that traitors will be forced to reveal that they are a traitor.

I already used my role on NK15 in 396.

So it just says "traitor" or "non traitor"

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Math, if I have to read you say how good you are at flipless one more time I'm going to claw my eyes out.

It's bad enough your ego fills the whole room, but pretending that somehow you're less egotistical in OTHER types of games and don't behave precisely this way until you get what you want, is just ridiculous.

I didn't refresh Ranger because I was mildly concerned about Ranger's alignment. I'm not just auto refreshing someone without a good reason.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

can we kill MB at this point? I recognize that my read on them is blinded by my frustration but it's ltierally impossible to engage with this game while he is alive and saying this shit on repeat like a broken record every game day.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Besides FG who else has a power that can info gain us at this point that isn't MB

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So it just says "traitor" or "non traitor"

No, it reveals their role, but Bug, Gnosia, and Guardian Angel can lie.

If it hits a town power role, it's going to reveal their role.

Do you want to take another shot at it? I just question if that's a good idea.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What the fuck does my refreshing your power actually even DO Math.

You get to rolecop someone else on their personal ability when no one isn't fucking trueclaiming at this point?

And if your power can do a secondary function like MINE can, that might hurt us, I'd just be giving you ammo.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The fact that my ability has a secondary funcction is part of why I am so hesitate to refresh anyone. It speaks to some sense that other abilities may have a similar duality.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If your claimed ability function doesn't serve much purpose, I'm not likely to refresh you because the upside is very very low and the downside is... possibly immense.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The Bug is going to be someone who understood their only goal was to assist town in winning, after the first flip. For the first flip, they were probably present and towntelling, maybe even pushed someone they were certain was Gnosia, but likely talked themselves up as useful and tried to position themselves as not worth night killing, but not worth eliminating.

This describes MathBlade, for the record.

Math's desperate attempts to be cleared as "Not Bug" after the event occured also indicate this to me as well. He's got box ticks on Bug from top to bottom.

We should be removing MathBlade today.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh, and on the topic of Fearmongering.

I'm presenting logical reasons for my actions.

Mathblade is suggesting that SHIKI TOLD A NEEDLESS LIE ABOUT THEIR POWER THAT COULD BE PROVEN AT ANY POINT, AND THEN I CAME IN AND WHEN ASKED IF SHIKI HAD USED IT WENT "NAH, I STILL GOT IT" BECAUSE I ALSO WANTED TO TELL LIES.

That, is fearmongering. it's also Math trying to bait me into using the ability. I'll use it if and when I feel like.

Let's get that massclaim popcorned today, with a little force behind it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Characters and roles and everything we are legally allowed to do. Abilities all in one place. It's... Mm.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

We can just do me today then make sure LLD doesn’t survive to end game.

But LLD should refresh me so I can provide info on the way out.

Her defense is a lazy “no you” and she’s not hunting at all

She should be looking to prove her role and she’s not.

If we do me today you promise LLD later

I'm never refreshing you. Your power is literally pointless. You just check people's fucking character powers. No one is lying about those lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Is it someone's ability to make everyone vote narrow or did everyone just vote narrow

I think everybody just voted narrow.

Thing is, I didn't... Yet it showed that I did. Which means someone moved my vote. Not sure how much relevance it is, but likely someone is lying about their power. Either way, I think mafia was probably given fake claims anyway.

Moved your vote onto the Gnosia?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Wait now that you mention it, I didn't submit a vote this freeze phase. I just checked, I should have been voting for myself, and I wasn't.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If you really think I can't prove my power you are literslly out of your mind.

And when I prove it you will be like "her not USING IT is scummy" so don't move the goal posts.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

At this point I want Guard Duty claimed, is what I want. We need to bug hunt so...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

None. They're only masons.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like, Masons who when they claim become innocent children.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

No, but you qere on my bug list.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm crewmate, if that weren't obvious by now. Who next, Herta?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Do GDs know eqch other?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Okay. And because people can't Fake GD, FG and Gerry are both town. Along with Herta.

Good. This works well.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So we have 2 Gnosia, possible 1 traitor one not or two group gnosia, and one Bug.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Herta does your role specify their role or only alignment.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Okay, and there is no weirdness for Bug right?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh there is weirdness for Bug. Gross. Grossssssss

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Then... Okay. Until we see another Gnosia flip, we need doctor on Herta.

We need to know if and when we flip from 2Gn to 1.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Er. GA. You get what I mean.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh wait Traitor appears human? Hmmm

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So Herta role only has a use IFF we hit the last group gnosia and the game still continues.

At which point having FG able to determine if soneone is a traitor or not is good.

...FG would you like your power refreshed

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Only if Traitor is dead right?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Wait really? Hmmmm.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The rules don't seem to say that. Er... We hmm.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Trying very hard not to get mod killed because there isn't a sample town PM but...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I would consider a traitor a threat to our win condition no?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Dude can you please read the setup already

nah, it's just a mason being all pissy about having to out as mason instead of playing a bad -EV long game where they get to feel special and important.

For now, let's freeze Math is the play I think.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Jada imho was pretty obvious traitor. Jada was obviously evil and the “cop was supposed to check me so I can play” is not something a bug says. Since she came up human traitor is the only thing that works. She’s done that defeatist crap as scum.

I am viewed as the threat otherwise LLD would be full claiming the secondary thing and letting me check her

Just assuming people don’t lie in a mafia game is silly.

CHECK WHAT?

LIKE LITERALLY CHECK WHAT

IF I REFRESH YOU, IT PROVES THE FUCKING ABILITY YOU CLOWN

[Lady Lambdadelta]

your ability doesn't do shit for us. my ability is a day activation IN THREAD. It'll be fucking proved the INSTANT I use it.

So what the fuck does your ability do for us?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Honestly, to me, this sounds like Math is bug and genuinely and falsely thinks I'm Gnosia for the truly clowniest reason imaginable.

And is salty about it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If Gimli inherits dead roles, could they inherit NK15's "State you are human" power?

If so, can I refresh Gimli to do that?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I suspect esooa is gnosia.

Concur.

Which is why Bug is the real problem

[Lady Lambdadelta]

...i had a thought that copy a dead power sounded like the kind of power a bug might be given, also.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

How would Enchant be conf town again?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Okay, awesome. So not bug not Gnosia, that's useful.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I mean, I see no better role to use this on so

Exaggerate: Fake God, refreshing a Charge

[Lady Lambdadelta]

and yeah, I have that neighbourhood with STD so, it's confirmed.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I mean, I see no better role to use this on so

Exaggerate: Fake God, refreshing a Charge

quoting this to a new page for easier mod viewing

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The action resolved so now FG can do his thing

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Your action, your call. It seemed like the only reasonable ability useage. Target someone you think is a traitor, perhaps? That's our best outcome right.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like part of me would be like check me check me but

It's only really useful if we hit traitor to remove them from the Bug pool right?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

WAIT there is another use for this.

So.... If we needed to confirm the GA, at any point.

We could tell the GA to claim scum, a thing they could do, have you target them and lie about yheir role by claiming Gnosia.

So we would know they are GA. It does lead to possible duplication errors if a Gnosia fakes it but there is only one kf those alive ANYWAY and we don't want to kill them yet so it works too

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Actually that's kind of genius.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So Gnosia lose if they are eliminated, right?

So here is the play.

Pick the player you want to eliminate today.

Check them with your power.

If they are GA or Gnosia, they should say Gnosia.

If they are traitor they must say traitor.

If they are human they must say human.

If they say Human... We kill them today.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I doubt gnosia will cooperate. But okay.

If they say Human, they die.
If they say Traitor, they die eventually.

Like, its a full trap.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why would we use it on a confirmed town you clown

[Lady Lambdadelta]

We can use this to determine something we should or should not eliminate.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yes. I unambiguously am. Because GA cant claim and its more useful to know who they are than it is to have them secret at this point.

Like, catch up lmfao

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I get that now that my power is confirmed you have to switch what new bad logic you use to push me but you are like.... 3 steps behind on where you should be.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The Gnosia will... Ahhhhhhh how are you this bad

It's not a matter of when we kill Gnosia or bug but in what order.

With 2 GD, 1 clear in Enchant, 1 Doctor and 1 GA thats 5 confirmed townies in 10. We never run out of confirmed townies to lead us. Suck know its wrong to shoot outside those townies so why does a GA save help us it DOESNT.

WE ONLY LOSE TO JITTING GNOSIA BEFORE BUG AT THIS POINT

[Lady Lambdadelta]

im not a mech guy but this mech seems pretty easy to follow

knowing who doctor is saves us a kill there. yeah they probably die but there's no power role worth saving

i can see why we NORMALLY would keep GA hidden to potentially save ourselves a kill but these circumstances are normal, and we're unlikely to lose to gnosia at this point

And there is the common sense thank gods

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm gonna have fun quoting this game for the rest of time.

Also, it is funny that you have run out of excuses to nail me with. Everything has been cleared and checked and in order and so all you have left is what I knew to be true from jump.

That your suspicions on me started with a pre supposition that I was scum and ended with you fabricating a reason to have reached that conclusion.

So now we are back at "soul read" and "it must benefit her!"

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I doubt gnosia will cooperate. But okay.

If they say Human, they die.
If they say Traitor, they die eventually.

Like, its a full trap.

I don't trust this.
I feel like only Gnosia will benefit from this in the end.

Gnosia are dead my dude. Gnosia can't win this game anymore... Like... Mathematically.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Let FG target someone use the abiliy and we will freeze wirh that info as part of the choice

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Did someone ask if we can force GA to claim with codeword.

For example "If you GA, say Tomato". And then by order from scummiest to towniest. Do it result in modkill? Mod answers like once per year, so uh.

Fairly. SHOULD we force GA to claim?

At this point? Absolutely.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So if FakeGod were to query esooa, Esooa would need to answer honestly their role, right?

Unless they are GA, Bug or Gnosia, yes.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I sort of doubt it, but I'm SQ

[Lady Lambdadelta]

FakeGod, please target Mathblade with the ability.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm down to do whatever.

LLD makes sense but I think traitor is already dead which would make this moot.

I think Gnosia Bug GA all would claim non VT because VT claim gets them killed.

Yeah, but it puts us in a more info spot then.

Either way, fire at Math please.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

FG, use it on Math.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

To be clear, I think MB may be the traitor.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If we target you and you end up claiming traitor, I won't be killing you today, I agree

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Me too, I also didn't vote

[Lady Lambdadelta]

We'll if I were scum you would need to kill me last anyway?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

We'll if I were scum you would need to kill me last anyway?

Yeah.
If you're Gnosia.
On another note, should we assume Bug is still alive?

We probably should yes. For the record I'm not Gnosia or Bug but I'm saying that people have exclusively called me Gnosia for DAYS and never bug.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I think I want

STD
Gimli
Freedom
Esooa (who I think is Gnosia. Assumign that the timing on that works and we have votes? If not, Freedom is probably just town so)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What I want specifically is to kill the people who are just vibing and letting things go and giving townie vibes to the world because they are hyper likely to be Bug.

And kill the person who is likely to be Gnosia at the very end.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

right but I more mean the players whose goal is essentially just to look town and float while other non confirmed players die

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why? We have to kill Bug first, is that something bug says?

Or are you just trying to kill me now that I've described what you are doing and want to kill you, which makes me a threat to your wincon?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

FG, all these lists putting the person most likely to be scum at the top make 0 sense when we need Bug first.

Gnosia is mathematically eliminated. This is just about finding and hitting the bug.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So OMGUS. Basically. I'm calling out specifically what you're doing by your own admission and you're not happy with it.

Gottt it.

Well I don't much care if I die, as long as people follow my list.

If people want to do

LLD
STD
Gimli
Freedom
Esooa

In that order, I'm pretty chill with it tbh.

But you HAVE to follow that order. If you're going to kill me today after this response just to be certain you HAVE to follow that order.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

right but I more mean the players whose goal is essentially just to look town and float while other non confirmed players die

damn it's probably me

fuck bro, nooooo

not the confirmed townie bro ;-;

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why? We have to kill Bug first, is that something bug says?

Or are you just trying to kill me now that I've described what you are doing and want to kill you, which makes me a threat to your wincon?

immediate omgus doesn't work on confirmed town players

Gimli isn't confirmed town

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I think I want

STD
Gimli
Freedom
Esooa (who I think is Gnosia. Assumign that the timing on that works and we have votes? If not, Freedom is probably just town so)

Huh

I thought Esooa might be bug actually

really? i didn't really see that as a bug play

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm currently deciding between LLD and Esooa.

Herta did say he thought Esooa was the last Gnosia in 2492, so I'll probably go with LLD's list, and eliminate starting with LLD.

If you do my order, you have to actually enforce among the confirmed townies you're DOING MY ORDER, savvy?

Like if I'm going to consent to be frozen for 0 good reason beyond Mathblade is salty about everything and I want to be listened to, I need people to actually kill down the list I made.

No doing one and bailing, you kill down that list.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Assuming that Esooa is the last Gnosia and you are dead, I should be able to go down the list as you've written.

i do not think esooa is the last gnosia

This is why we need to agree to follow the list, or otherwise kill me later.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If you don't kill me today and follow my list, don't kill me at all.

Like don't make me sit here and twiddle my thumbs further. Killing Esooa probably is a bad outcome but if you're doing to go against me and kill them anyway you should probably just consider killing me at the end.

Or is your plan to do what nearly every player who was on the block wanted you to do, which is a pretty much guaranteed loss.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

in general

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Got that.
For me personally, I'm fine with either you or Esooa eliminated first.

If you do me first, fine.

If you do Esooa, you have to do me last.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So OMGUS. Basically. I'm calling out specifically what you're doing by your own admission and you're not happy with it.

Gottt it.

Well I don't much care if I die, as long as people follow my list.

If people want to do

LLD
STD
Gimli
Freedom
Esooa

In that order, I'm pretty chill with it tbh.

But you HAVE to follow that order. If you're going to kill me today after this response just to be certain you HAVE to follow that order.

GEE

I WONDER WHY I WROTE THE LIST LIKE THIS

[Lady Lambdadelta]

my hands are fully thrown up in the air at the apathy and incompetence of the like, 5 confirmed townies who just said "meh"

[Lady Lambdadelta]

yeah you scared the shit out of me lol

lol

I was so sure Esooa was Gnosia, and pretty sure you were Bug suspect #1

that I was willing to sacrifice myself FIRST.

DIE.

BE SHOWN NOT TO BE GNOSIA OR BUG BECAUSE I ASKED TO DIE.

Just to have Esooa killed last.

And no townie, not a single one looked at that and thought

"Hmm wait that's probably the right move."

No townie looked at the massive lists of possible bug players all saying Esooa first

and one player saying "No, Esooa is Gnosia"

[Lady Lambdadelta]

internal screaming

so much internal screaming

i wish some of these confirmed townies could have replaced out or magically morphed into players who might give a shit.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Anyway, sorry Maria but this game was a trashfire in terms of mechanics because Bug hunting as town is literally fucking impossible. Scum need to kill the only tool we have for hunting the bug to have any chance at winning.

If you run something similar again I suggest splitting the investigate role and the bug shooting role.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Or possibly providing the town 1 day once the Gnosia has been eliminated to find the Bug.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Who was traitor anyway?