Newbie 2111 - Know Your Skittles! (Game Over)

[Aureal]

Human, can you elaborate more on how the VCA of Black affected your impression of her?

[usesPython]

Half way through this post I found out that you can just use the post tag instead of the url tag, pain.

Anyways here's the raw data for how many of Blacks scum/town reads are unique vs non-unique before 485, I'll do an analysis on what relationships are implied from this afterwards

90 follows the lead of 88

154 has a lot but:
Human follows 88
Arko follows 150
General board perception at that time has Elements as town (e.g. 102)
Python follows 73 and 74
The Weuler read is the only unique read here but even that can be argued to be following 150

159 follows 156

169 and 170 follow 166, though there's hesitation in 160 to follow 158 (which could be explained by my tendency to post wild, poorly explained reads before elaborating in other posts)

196 into 202 (explained deeper in 247) are unique but 300 confirms that the read didn't change until Aureals 203

247 somewhat follows 218 for Python but the reasoning is at least unique (if very shallow). For Human it follows 203 (see 300)

249 follows 203 for the Human and Weuler read

252 is unique but it doesn't really go anywhere

253 admits to being sheeped by 203

304 follows 272

307 follows 269

321 follows 316

327 into 329 into 335 and 336, actual discussion for once? (Still follows STDs lead but hey, progress)

339 unique and insightful post (but doesn't go anywhere)

348 is weird and unique progression?

And now we're back to our regularly scheduled programming with 397 following 394

402 follows STDs tunnel on Elements

420 the STD town read can be explained by the board generally being anti-Elements at the time (e.g. 283)

[Black]

I'm glad you finally read my posts. Maybe now you can give me a one sentence summary?

[Black]

Also I'm curious what the raw data would look like if you did this with the other 7 players

[usesPython]

I'm glad you finally read my posts. Maybe now you can give me a one sentence summary?

My problem with you right now is that your actions and the vibes you give off don't mesh together. Vibe wise compare and contrast Human. He gives off some pretty strong newtown vibes while you seem to look like you've played a few games. Your posts don't give off a nervous energy compared to him and you're confident enough to ask probing questions and post your reads. Action wise though you're about as effective as Human when scumhunting. The content you post that's unique and insightful pretty much goes nowhere and peters out on the same page, in order for content on someone you're scumreading to happen someone else also needs to be on the wagon, and you've been on every single wagon in the game other than Weuler (though that was because you were busy being on the Human wagon who was also getting pushed by Aureal).

The experience level suggested by your posts is someone that should be able to at least somewhat competently scumhunt, yet the results match what I'd expect from someone who's new to scumhunting

[Human]

Human, can you elaborate more on how the VCA of Black affected your impression of her?

I feel like she's now kind of null to me because for some reason I still townread her a bit but still the decent possibility of her being scum has came across me

[Black]

If you're expecting me to give some big day 1 solve, it's probably not gonna happen. Why are you holding me to this standard? This is my 2nd game in probably 18 years and when I used to play it was on a completely different site with a very different meta. I don't feel like I'm even in the top half of wolf hunters here tbh but I feel like I'm trying my best

I would like to hear from Arko's replacement. Another perspective can only be beneficial for us

I will try to have more unique reads I guess

[usesPython]

If you're expecting me to give some big day 1 solve, it's probably not gonna happen. Why are you holding me to this standard? This is my 2nd game in probably 18 years and when I used to play it was on a completely different site with a very different meta. I don't feel like I'm even in the top half of wolf hunters here tbh but I feel like I'm trying my best

My point is that your actions and your vibes create a contradiction. If you're good at scumhunting like your vibes suggest then I can't explain the lack of results in a town!Black game. If you're inexperienced at scumhunting like you say you are and your results suggest then I can't explain your confident vibes without suggesting that your posts go through several editing passes instead of posting whatever is in the post once you put your read into words, which would imply a scum!Black game

[Black]

My point is that your actions and your vibes create a contradiction. If you're good at scumhunting like your vibes suggest then I can't explain the lack of results in a town!Black game.

Lack of results? I feel like my scumreads are pretty decent and the results have yet to be seen. I don't know what vibes I give off that I'm good at scumhunting but this whole thing seems to be you expecting me to play a certain way and me not meeting your standard. I think you should lower your standard

If you're inexperienced at scumhunting like you say you are and your results suggest then I can't explain your confident vibes without suggesting that your posts go through several editing passes instead of posting whatever is in the post once you put your read into words, which would imply a scum!Black game

This whole bit about results is a really weird progression you are making. It sounds like it's coming from an informed place. How do you know my reads are bad? Do you know Elements and Weuler are town? Why are you picking me out of everyone to say my scumhunting is bad? And don't say my "confident vibes" because that isn't going to cut it

[Aureal]

Yeah, what on earth does "competent at scumhunting" mean? We don't know how accurate anyone's reads are at this point. You seem to be grabbing "competent at posting" and conflating it with something else. Are you seriously scumreading Black for using proper grammar and thinking about what to write?

[T-Bone]

MegAzumarill replaces Arko, effective immediately.

[T-Bone]

Skittles Fact: The Worst used to work on an off-shore oil rig.

Vote Count

Elements - 1

(Save The Dragons)

e-4

usesPython - 1

(Aureal)

e-4

Save The dragons - 2

(Elements, Weuler)

e-3

Black - 1

(usesPython)

e-4

Arko - 1

( Human)

e-4

Not Voting - 3

(Black, Freedom, MegAzumarill)

With 9 Alive, It Takes 5 to Eliminate

Activity Check: All Good!

Deadline: (expired on 2023-02-16 10:00:00)

[usesPython]

This whole bit about results is a really weird progression you are making. It sounds like it's coming from an informed place. How do you know my reads are bad? Do you know Elements and Weuler are town? Why are you picking me out of everyone to say my scumhunting is bad? And don't say my "confident vibes" because that isn't going to cut it

I don't

know

if Elements and Weuler but if I'm assessing someones skill in scumhunting through d1 reads then I don't

need

to know. Generating content from yourself and others, forming opinions, and then pushing those opinions until you've reached a conclusion, that's what d1 scumhunting is all about in my eyes. When I look at you throughout this game, I don't see that. I see non-committal stances on people until someone else posts their stance on that person. I see content that dies immediately. I see either a scum!Black game flying under the radar or a town!Black game that refuses to do anything other than let themselves get sheeped in their reads while actively admitting to letting themselves getting sheeped.

And as for the "confident vibes", that's the point. The vibes you give off in your first game of mafia are not going to be the same as the vibes in your 5th game and those aren't going to be the same as your 1000th game. The more you play the more experienced you become; the more experienced you are the more confident your unfiltered self will be and the more competent your unfiltered selfs slothunting will be. The more time you spend on drafting a post the more you can stray from this, but a contradiction in confidence and competence arising from that is an indicator that you're taking the time to do drafts instead of posting the first draft as soon as it's done. In my eyes, that's a scumtell

[usesPython]

Are you seriously scumreading Black for using proper grammar and thinking about what to write?

Yes because it creates a contradiction. Go take a good hard look at Blacks posts throughout this game and tell me if that looks like someone actively trying to scumhunt or if it looks like someone trying to be present without explicitly fluffposting.

[Black]

Generating content from yourself and others, forming opinions, and then pushing those opinions until you've reached a conclusion, that's what d1 scumhunting is all about in my eyes. When I look at you throughout this game, I don't see that.

I'm curious, do you see this with the other players?

And as for the "confident vibes", that's the point. The vibes you give off in your first game of mafia are not going to be the same as the vibes in your 5th game and those aren't going to be the same as your 1000th game. The more you play the more experienced you become; the more experienced you are the more confident your unfiltered self will be and the more competent your unfiltered selfs slothunting will be. The more time you spend on drafting a post the more you can stray from this, but a contradiction in confidence and competence arising from that is an indicator that you're taking the time to do drafts instead of posting the first draft as soon as it's done. In my eyes, that's a scumtell

I don't spend any time drafting my posts? I write them and press submit. This scumtell is in your imagination

[Aureal]

So you're scumreading Black for:
1) the reaction of others to her posts
2) thinking rather than gut-reading

As far as 1) goes, I think the content of someone's post should be what matters, not what others do. If I'd started off targeting you I guess you'd be saying the same thing about me now since I don't seem to be getting any traction when I say anything on that matter. I'm guessing people don't really want to engage with your wallposts.

And for 2), I tend to spend a lot of time thinking about my words when I've got the chance, and weren't you just thinking a few days ago that people should be thoroughly analyzing things before posting?

[Black]

Are you seriously scumreading Black for using proper grammar and thinking about what to write?

Yes because it creates a contradiction. Go take a good hard look at Blacks posts throughout this game and tell me if that looks like someone actively trying to scumhunt or if it looks like someone trying to be present without explicitly fluffposting.

This post bothers me. I may not be good at scumhunting but there is no doubt I

am

actively scumhunting. I may not be as thorough as you but I think my style of play is just fine. I make reads, question people, post my thoughts, explain my progressions. I don't know how you want me to play python

[usesPython]

So you're scumreading Black for:
1) the reaction of others to her posts
2) thinking rather than gut-reading

As far as 1) goes, I think the content of someone's post should be what matters, not what others do. If I'd started off targeting you I guess you'd be saying the same thing about me now since I don't seem to be getting any traction when I say anything on that matter. I'm guessing people don't really want to engage with your wallposts.

And for 2), I tend to spend a lot of time thinking about my words when I've got the chance, and weren't you just thinking a few days ago that people should be thoroughly analyzing things before posting?

1) There's a difference between not getting any traction but pushing anyways when you think you have something (town tell) and not getting any traction and then moving on to easier targets (scum tell)

2) There's a difference between thoroughly analyzing things before posting and picking your words carefully. The first half of my posts this game have been the former and if you look carefully you might see that a good few pages were made because I didn't do the latter when it came time to actually explaining what I'm thinking. Black has done the latter without the former, either by making shallow reads that anyone could make without much thought or by straight up copying others reasoning with a few changes.

[usesPython]

I don't know how you want me to play python

I want you to come to your own damn opinions instead of waiting for other to do it for you

[Black]

I don't know how you want me to play python

I want you to come to your own damn opinions instead of waiting for other to do it for you

Why are you being rude now? My opinions have been my own. I'm sorry that other people shared similar opinions dude. I seriously don't know what to say to you. Please hyper tunnel on every other player and show me how they are doing such a good job scumhunting and coming up with such unique opinions

[Black]

1) There's a difference between not getting any traction but pushing anyways when you think you have something (town tell) and not getting any traction and then moving on to easier targets (scum tell)

What are you even saying? I've been on my top two scumreads for most of this game. I haven't moved on at all. I voted for inactives but I made it clear it was to get discussion going. So again this is another scumtell you have of me that I'm not even guilty of...

[usesPython]

My opinions have been my own. I'm sorry that other people shared similar opinions dude. I seriously don't know what to say to you.

Fine then, say you're town. How do I tell which of your opinions are your own and which are ones you're actively letting yourself get sheeped on without telling anyone. The only reason I even knew that your sr on Human was you getting sheeped in 249 was because the progression from 170 made no sense, which I then called you out on in 297 and you admitted to in 300.
How many of your other posts have been you getting sheeped vs reads you came up with yourself and how the hell should anyone be able to tell the difference if you flip town and can no longer explain which is which for the rest of us?

[usesPython]

What are you even saying? I've been on my top two scumreads for most of this game. I haven't moved on at all. I voted for inactives but I made it clear it was to get discussion going. So again this is another scumtell you have of me that I'm not even guilty of...

What are YOU saying? You've been on the Human wagon when there was an active push on a Weuler/Human scumteam, then you switched to Elements when STD replaced and started a wagon on her.

If you want an example of what staying on a person you scumread looks like, Aureals vote has been on me for 2/3rds of the game with just as many posts

[Black]

What are you even saying? I've been on my top two scumreads for most of this game. I haven't moved on at all. I voted for inactives but I made it clear it was to get discussion going. So again this is another scumtell you have of me that I'm not even guilty of...

What are YOU saying? You've been on the Human wagon when there was an active push on a Weuler/Human scumteam, then you switched to Elements when STD replaced and started a wagon on her.

If you want an example of what staying on a person you scumread looks like, Aureals vote has been on me for 2/3rds of the game with just as many posts

Just because I move my vote doesn't mean I have moved on from them as a scumread. And in Weuler's case I don't even need to vote to keep him as a scumread. Let me play Mafia how I want to play it. Your issue with me at this point seems personal

[usesPython]

And in Weuler's case I don't even need to vote to keep him as a scumread.

You're kidding right? You pretty much entirely moved on from Weuler after 307 onto Elements in 321 all the way up to 494 when you needed to respond to Weuler pushing you in 487. That ain't keeping him as a scumread in my eyes