Micro 1070 | a micro normal | Endgame

[Alianna]

Votecount

VC 1-IV

Aureal (3 = E-2):

Herta, Wavelength, mykonian

Andante (2):

Datisi, Aristeia

mykonian (1):

Aureal

Klick (1):

Andante

Alisae (1):

Klick

Not Voting (1):

Alisae

With 9 alive, it takes 5 for an execution.

Deadline:

(expired on 2023-02-26 00:51:00)

Co-mod notes:

- I'm counting by hand, let me know if there is anything wrong.
- The combined mod ISO can be found here.

[Aureal]

No I thought "wow he did the meta for it wow it looks like he's scumhunting and trying to solve your slot. Sounds like they believe this read they have."
It's pretty shallow.

I'm unclear what the last sentence is referencing.

I don't think comparing Andante to your wagon is fair. Herta is pure RVS while Wavelength and Myko came to that conclusion on their own. My impression of the Andante wagon was it was just 3 people who mutually agreed to vote there. Klick is town, I think Datisi is pushing a read, and I don't really know what Ari is doing.

What makes you certain Herta's vote was RVS?

[Alisae]

I'm unclear what the last sentence is referencing.

my own read

[Alisae]

What makes you certain Herta's vote was RVS?

ok ig pure rvs is kinda wrong. it was during that phase of the game and a lot has happened so it's more so they have to catch up so they have a lot of agency to add something new to the game

[Wavelength]

Long day

Myko and Klick are both town.

Andante's reentry to the thread without having read anything makes more sense if she thought that she was at E-1, so I don't hate her interaction with Klick. But I also don't really town read Andante, would say null, so feels weird defending her

[Wavelength]

I don't really feel like Aureal is arguing in good faith. When Myko pushed back on their cross vote, Aureal took an incredulous angle that obviously town should hunt inside people voting them

I'm sorry, are you seriously trying to argue that town should not scumhunt among people who are voting for them??? I think that's often the most natural thing to do- who else is going to have a better perspective on what's accurate about arguments about me than me?

But then, when talking about Herta's vote asked

What makes you certain Herta's vote was RVS?

Which makes me feel like they have not actually looked at Herta at all

And they also have not appeared to make any statement about my own alignment.

So it does not really look like she is hunting in her voters, she is just fighting Myko. Which makes her response in the first quote I pulled feel like it was just a response to win the argument vs talking about what they were doing, which seems more likely to come from scum to me

[Klick]

Much turmoil over if to hold off or to just shoot
I'm just going to shoot.

Curious as to who is informed of having my exact rolecard. I've done

A LOT

of thinking about this as well as what I think the setup could look like and I feel like it could be productive to massclaim who has this information. I am very curious to see who is willing to come out with it and I think I can find wolves based on the number of people who claim to have this information

No clue

[Klick]

Meh this doesn't go anywhere immediately and I should really sleep

I'm obviously not as confident about you as I'm projecting but I'm really not feeling anywhere near as comfortable about you as I'd like to feel atm and I have several other townreads

where are you at

Don't worry I didn't miss this I'm just going to respond to it when I actually have time and am not skimming

[Wavelength]

Much turmoil over if to hold off or to just shoot
I'm just going to shoot.

Curious as to who is informed of having my exact rolecard. I've done

A LOT

of thinking about this as well as what I think the setup could look like and I feel like it could be productive to massclaim who has this information. I am very curious to see who is willing to come out with it and I think I can find wolves based on the number of people who claim to have this information

Prior to you making this post, the people who were informed of your role card - were they informed that your role card existed in the game, or were they informed that you, in particular, had the role that you have?

(I am not informed)

[Alisae]

Much turmoil over if to hold off or to just shoot
I'm just going to shoot.

Curious as to who is informed of having my exact rolecard. I've done

A LOT

of thinking about this as well as what I think the setup could look like and I feel like it could be productive to massclaim who has this information. I am very curious to see who is willing to come out with it and I think I can find wolves based on the number of people who claim to have this information

Prior to you making this post, the people who were informed of your role card - were they informed that your role card existed in the game, or were they informed that you, in particular, had the role that you have?

(I am not informed)

anyone who can perform the type of action I can perform has my exact role card.

[Wavelength]

Oh. I misunderstood your post then.

So you have a role, and you were informed that there are multiple people with your role?

If that is the case, then from where I am sitting it now makes much less sense to confirm/deny, and I regret having done so

[Wavelength]

If you think that the scum team might have at least one player with your specific role, then doing this confirm/deny of other players having that role seems like a good way to hand them a guide book on where to kill on a PR hunt

If the role is good, then they can target people who say that have it.

If the role is weak, then they can focus their kills on the people who don't have it, thereby hunting for more powerful PRs

[mykonian]

I think this gamestate is pretty well readable already

You aren't part of this gamestate though. I wonder what you

want

. I infer you didn't want to see Aureal at E-1. Was that about her, or that E-1 is too early? What does this mean for your Lisa wagon, should it go to elimination?

I am not sure what more pressure you get on Aureal by putting her at e-1 that you wouldn't get at e-2

if you don't want the day to end just intend your vote instead of putting her close enough to die.

What if its a good thing if Aureal runs the risk of elimination? I made some good points about her, as does Wavelength.

And if we talk gamestate, Lisa made himself part of it by voting for what he wanted, be that e-1 or not. That's a good thing, you know more about them than you did before. He already did the intent and talk, and nobody bothered. But he votes and klick shoots into a panic that this is e-1, despite me basically begging Lisa to put Aureal on e-1 in the previous page. You are worried too. And Lisa unvotes.

I'm not certain why you and klick would be worried about Aureals fate, but now at least I can wonder and ask.

[Datisi]

Datisi help
I found scum but e's going to beat me in an argument

i can potentially be sold on ali!scum but why are you pleading to me

[Klick]

Have I not been previously clear about my Aureal townread? Genuine question, because both yourself and Andante seem to not be considering it in the posts you're making. I don't want Aureal at E-1 because I have a fairly solid townread on Aureal, and I feel like that should be obvious.

There's nothing in particular that I currently want out of this gamestate.

I guess if I dive a bit deeper into that, I want to not disturb it, because I feel that often when I try to influence the discourse with specific intentions, I fail to get anything that significantly influences my read on the game. I find much more success getting an accurate read from watching a game develop naturally without large influence from me. So I want to encourage a gamestate that feels naturally developed to me so that I can solve it properly.

Outside of that, there are a few things that I don't want. I don't want Aureal eliminated. I don't want Wavelength eliminated. I don't want you eliminated, I think.

PEdit: this was @myko

[Klick]

Datisi help
I found scum but e's going to beat me in an argument

i can potentially be sold on ali!scum but why are you pleading to me

How do you currently read Alisae?

[Datisi]

How do you currently read Alisae?

while i was reading their interactions yesterday (either with myko or with aureal, i forget), i did get vague pings that they might be scum. they felt... i dunno, too reasonable? but also like they're trying to appear townie by engaging in longish arguments that i feel like town-alisae wouldn't actually care about engaging in.

if you want, i can go over their iso and give a bit more detailed read later.

can you answer my question now?

[Klick]

I basically agree with that assessment
They feel somewhat detached from what they're arguing in the thread in a way that doesn't sit right with me

There are a couple of reasons I asked you that the way I did
Part of it was because engaging you on a conversation about Alisae might help me sort you
I also feel like us talking about them could help me put my thoughts about them into words and process them better because prior to your 216 I felt vaguely scummy in their direction with very little understanding of the reason why I felt that
You specifically are someone I feel are helpful with that because I trust you to have a fairly nuanced thought-through perspective on the things you think about the game or to otherwise be able to have those thoughts

[Alisae]

Oh. I misunderstood your post then.

So you have a role, and you were informed that there are multiple people with your role?

If that is the case, then from where I am sitting it now makes much less sense to confirm/deny, and I regret having done so

I think it’s +ev

[Alisae]

Especially because the game is a micro, both wolves are likely to have my role even if it is implied that they are/aren’t the same alignment (just makes sense as a designer perspective), and setup was advertised as complex

[Alisae]

I probably would not consider this play if the game is a mini?
The game being a micro genuinely makes me think this is a good idea. Put a lot of thought into how many villagers I think have my role and I want to see what I think compared to what happens

[Alisae]

I think due to the game being a micro, it is a lot more predictable in setup design in a way that a mini can’t be

[Alisae]

Like I think I can put the whole pl into 2 separate groups based off of what happens

[Alisae]

If you don’t believe me, someone smarter in ev calculation can do the math. I would do it under the assumption at least 4-5 players in the game have my role.

[Datisi]

this feels like outguessing the mod, and considering you spelled out what you are looking for wrt wolves in the massclaim - a complete waste of time.