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[Lady Lambdadelta]

Antagonizing her in WHAT WAY?

In the way that they think she's scum? And are PLAYING MAFIA?

[Ausuka]

I'm actually not sure what I said is meant to be insulting? If you let me know I won't say it again.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if you keep shitting on her and you're never going to find her, and that's a potential misyeet that could've been avoided by giving some air

I stopped pushing her as soon as she ate'd and just nope'd out of this thread to give her space to do whatever she wants to do. I am happy to keep doing that if you think she's actually becoming more readable but I'm not sure she is.

[Thestatusquo]

VoteCount 1.5

Meowth [ 5 ]

unowen, guiltylion, Save the dragons, LLD, pooky

Unowen [ 3 ]

datisi, meowth, Furtiveglance,

Save the Dragons [ 2 ]

Bloodb0t, ausuka

Datisi [ 1 ]

enchant

Bingle [ 1 ]

sircakez

Not Voting [ 4 ]

Bingle, Actiondan, Sleepykrew, Herta

With 16 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2023-02-26 13:22:00)

[Save The Dragons]

Please kill lld and STD after I die

Bye

I feel like I'm still waiting for why im scummy from you

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I get this is your personal friend and all but I am the LAST person you want to do this shit with because it's not like the fucking rage inside ever died, I just feed it and keep it away from everything because it's not healthy.

But I can feel my fucking blood pressure rising right now

[Datisi]

Ok should I remove all emotion and say

"this looks like Datisi scum is chainsawing a townie that he has TMI on"

and just kill you instead?

go right ahead? i know how ausuka works. i know nothing good comes from this if she's town.

ok but the only way this meta read would make sense if you can even do meta off one game is if you saw how she handled an early push in that game and it was "to not yield/concede"

it's a different mindset. she's had arguments with other players that game, she actually stood her ground and tried to convince people of her own worldview. it was unapologetic. this play is different

[Save The Dragons]

"how do we sort ausuka" idk maybe by giving her a bit of space and letting her do her own thing without antagonizing her whenever we mention her. if she keeps being so underwhelming, then sure whatever.

I feel like I did this and nothing changed

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Ok should I remove all emotion and say

"this looks like Datisi scum is chainsawing a townie that he has TMI on"

and just kill you instead?

go right ahead? i know how ausuka works. i know nothing good comes from this if she's town.

ok but the only way this meta read would make sense if you can even do meta off one game is if you saw how she handled an early push in that game and it was "to not yield/concede"

it's a different mindset. she's had arguments with other players that game, she actually stood her ground and tried to convince people of her own worldview. it was unapologetic. this play is different

Ok and do you have an example of her doing this as town?

[Datisi]

bad faith my ass

i put bad faith in quotation marks because it's not the exact word i'm looking for, but i can't think of a better one.

"lack of benefit of the doubt" is probably more accurate

Antagonizing her in WHAT WAY?

In the way that they think she's scum? And are PLAYING MAFIA?

i think it's pretty clear that if you include her in a post where you kinda talk about her being scum but don't mainly push her and don't go anywhere with it and don't properly engage her, it's gonna seem antagonizing. i would've read it the same way.

I get this is your personal friend and all but I am the LAST person you want to do this shit with because it's not like the fucking rage inside ever died, I just feed it and keep it away from everything because it's not healthy.

But I can feel my fucking blood pressure rising right now

i didn't want to "do" anything "with" you here. i wanted to help you read someone that i think i have more knowledge on how to read than you do and for whom i think your approach will be hugely ineffective and maybe even counterproductive.

i didn't mean to make you angry. i'm sorry if i said anything you found insulting.

i'm getting upset by this, so i will take a break from this game now.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ausuka why are std/lld mafia to you?

[Datisi]

Ok and do you have an example of her doing this as town?

i can look for it later if you want.

but even if i don't find concrete examples, i think i'm not likely to change my mind. i think a person's personality is more likely to authentically come out when they're town than when they're scum. i think town ausuka would be more likely to react this way than scum ausuka would.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

bad faith my ass

i put bad faith in quotation marks because it's not the exact word i'm looking for, but i can't think of a better one.

"lack of benefit of the doubt" is probably more accurate

Antagonizing her in WHAT WAY?

In the way that they think she's scum? And are PLAYING MAFIA?

i think it's pretty clear that if you include her in a post where you kinda talk about her being scum but don't mainly push her and don't go anywhere with it and don't properly engage her, it's gonna seem antagonizing. i would've read it the same way.

I get this is your personal friend and all but I am the LAST person you want to do this shit with because it's not like the fucking rage inside ever died, I just feed it and keep it away from everything because it's not healthy.

But I can feel my fucking blood pressure rising right now

i didn't want to "do" anything "with" you here. i wanted to help you read someone that i think i have more knowledge on how to read than you do and for whom i think your approach will be hugely ineffective and maybe even counterproductive.

i didn't mean to make you angry. i'm sorry if i said anything you found insulting.

i'm getting upset by this, so i will take a break from this game now.

you're not helping anything

I gave a list of 5 players I suspected. I only have one vote and it's on Meowth right now. How the hell am I meant to also vote Ausuka?

It's not randomly prodding to be antagonizing and if you would have taken it the same way too then you're both wrong. I'm allowed to call someone scum while I vote someone else that's literally how the game works.

I did it in HotD when I called Mastina scum while I voted you.

And I need a break too, but in truth this concept that you're here to "help me read" this slot and not to "defend this slot against all transgressors" is untrue.

You didn't come here to help me read this slot if you did it would have been a discussion about why I felt a certain way. Instead it was an argument about your meta AFTER YOU LITERALLY READ THAT I SAID I DON'T DO META.

[furtiveglance]

stop capsing

[Datisi]

okay i didn't say you're not allowed to do it, i'm pointing out how it looks like from someone's pov who's already getting scumreads.

i thought it meant "i don't make reads based on meta" not "i ignore literally everything that someone else says that's related to meta" but whatever

[Lady Lambdadelta]

stop capsing

No?

[Datisi]

stop capsing

furtive no offense but what the fuck is the point of this post

[furtiveglance]

stop capsing

furtive no offense but what the fuck is the point of this post

[Lady Lambdadelta]

stop capsing

furtive no offense but what the fuck is the point of this post

they said i was being rude in the council thread and now i realize they're just being cruel about my typing style and use of caps for emphasis.

i was like "how am i being rude" and they didn't answer and so now i get it.

i'm... so tired

[Datisi]

cool cool fucking off from this game now

[Lady Lambdadelta]

okay i didn't say you're not allowed to do it, i'm pointing out how it looks like from someone's pov who's already getting scumreads.

i thought it meant "i don't make reads based on meta" not "i ignore literally everything that someone else says that's related to meta" but whatever

no i mean my stance on meta is "all meta can be faked" so i don't use it personally or for others

[Lady Lambdadelta]

also yeah i'm done with the game for a bit

[GuiltyLion]

LLD I feel where you're coming from that it's frustrating that Ausuka is reacting to pressure with potentially tactical AtEs and taking offense at being suspected. I felt similarly when I had a dustup with Ausuka earlier in the game. I agree ideally Ausuka would not respond in this manner and it'd be easier to rule out the possibility that she's playing up her emotional reactions to things to defuse pressure and avoid providing more traditionally readable content, especially since you're not actually voting/championing Ausuka

That said I also share Datisi's sentiments that this does not really feel like the game I played with scum!Ausuka and that this is a potential misyeet. I hear you that you don't do meta and don't find that convincing, I mainly just want to say I don't think Datisi is lying in that regard and I can see town!him coming to that conclusion. generally I don't think a scum!Datisi chainsaws for town!Ausuka here because as scum there's not really any incentive to try to come in here and play peacemaker. these past couple pages actually make me feel much more resolute in a Datisi townread. (still can't believe most of y'all voted for Enchant instead -.-)

I think

if

Ausuka is scum and playing this way it's because all her teammates are afk/playing badly which would contribute to an unfun game that she doesn't want to carry. so I feel in that world it'll be straightforward enough to get the easy scum out first, and if by that point she's still not engaging at a deep level showing towniness it'll be easier to revisit and evaluate her alignment

[GuiltyLion]

also I don't mean to stir anything up if we had hit a natural endpoint to the conversation I mostly felt compelled to express that I TR Datisi's last few pages quite strongly and felt I had to address the overall conversation to explain that read without it coming across as dismissive to LLD's point of view

[GuiltyLion]

also I generally TR LLD's past few pages overall here, should say that as well