@ari: I posted read progressions in every slot and I just replaced in. you said my play was to OMGUS you and avoid that, which was the first thing I did. I could be scum, sure, but I'm working the game and I'm not antispewy. I can't think you seriously thought that now.
In post 477, Wavelength wrote:
Gimli, what page are you on for your catch up at this point?
I'm on page 6, I might finish it today but it could take a while still. but I read ari's ISO and some other minor things to make sure where I'm going with this.
In post 455, mykonian wrote:
I still have the whole "he's not posting and that's the reaction" in my head. I.. just don't understand what kind of mind that comes from. And what alignement that mind would have to have. I think she's played bad, I'm not sure she's scum. Could very well be, it was in my top two worst votes on that wagon, yes.
@Datisi:
You and Aristeia are the bestest of pals apparently, help me out here with some meta.
Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.
In post 455, mykonian wrote:
I still have the whole "he's not posting and that's the reaction" in my head. I.. just don't understand what kind of mind that comes from. And what alignement that mind would have to have. I think she's played bad, I'm not sure she's scum. Could very well be, it was in my top two worst votes on that wagon, yes.
@Datisi:
You and Aristeia are the bestest of pals apparently, help me out here with some meta.
i also don't understand it. but if i pushed aristeia every time i didn't understand what she was saying or how she got there, i'd be misyeeting her every game.
i think she's townie. i don't think she'd be pushing herta as scum, it's too easy to get called out for it. i don't think she'd be trying to defuse me/ali.
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
your #126 is great, cause I think klick's opener explanations on aureal's townread are what makes klick town a lot here, I think.
I think aureal is always going to look at myko's posts about her and think they're in bad faith, so I think it's still a town play by her to be pushing back at that in #128.
In post 131, Andante wrote:
I like 128, are you thinking Aureal not town?
Yeah, I'd vote there but I don't want the wagon to grow too big just yet
bruhh it's not "I'd vote there but that makes it e-1" please explain why you're currently voting me then if you have no interest in my wagon
I actually hard townread Aureal and have talked about it in the thread
I just wanted to see what you'd say if I hard countered my thread narrative to see if you really hadn't read the thread. I think the answer is probably yes?
In post 475, Gimli wrote:
@ari: I posted read progressions in every slot and I just replaced in. you said my play was to OMGUS you and avoid that, which was the first thing I did. I could be scum, sure, but I'm working the game and I'm not antispewy. I can't think you seriously thought that now.
your only meaningful push is to shove back at your main shover[me] and the only other person voting you.
you more or less townread everyone else
so if i flip you and you flip scum, it looks like the person who was shoving you[me] is not aligned with you. which was pretty obvious. that is the definition of anti-spew
I'm gonna post less things but more posts just to get to current page
In post 148, Alisae wrote:
I really don’t get the tantrum and I don’t really see how these votes are the end of the world if you’re a villager. Like I feel like you should still be able to play and try to generate something that’s useful or helpful even after death?
I expect town!datisi to look at alisae's post in this page and then look at aristeia's post in the same page and see the differences in treatment from a townie slot that's playing the game always from a suspicious and uninformed mindset to one that isn't doing that. even if you don't scumread aristeia I don't see how - and I know e is pushing you for whatever reason e is pushing you - you don't see er as towny.
In post 167, mykonian wrote:
It's completely different from here where she goes into a vote on me without talking about me at all till the vote, then coming up with logical reasons from the posts where I accuse her without actually calling out why I'm stupid to even think those reasons could apply to her here. She's not calling out the evidence, but calls out that I don't talk about andante when asked and instead talk about her.
In post 481, Datisi wrote:
i don't think she'd be trying to defuse me/ali.
Town doesn't tend to care so much. Feels it's more often scum that try to make people see reason.
Because these page long arguments with a spammer tend to be unreadable, and who's going to defuse the sides if you don't have a clue whether one argument might actually be disingenuous.
Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.
I also think that Aureal's actual responses to me make me feel less good about their alignment then Klick's theoretical explanation for their earlier posting.
Why did me saying this not get a reaction like Ari saying it did? Because I think I am town?
In that case, why did someone you think is town saying it, not lead to questioning the scumminess of others doing it?
In post 481, Datisi wrote:
i don't think she'd be trying to defuse me/ali.
Town doesn't tend to care so much. Feels it's more often scum that try to make people see reason.
Because these page long arguments with a spammer tend to be unreadable, and who's going to defuse the sides if you don't have a clue whether one argument might actually be disingenuous.
I didn't say their argument was unreadable
I said I think they are both town.
Alisae feels like she really believes in what she is saying about mass-claim solving the game and Datisi feels like he is really annoyed/insulted that Alisae pushed at him the way he did.
Both feel like townies to me.
I don't want two people that I think are townies to argue with each other and push at each other because it's not useful for catching scum.
your take that a townie would let two people she thinks are townies just argue endlessly in the thread is pretty nonsensical.
I also think that Aureal's actual responses to me make me feel less good about their alignment then Klick's theoretical explanation for their earlier posting.
Why did me saying this not get a reaction like Ari saying it did? Because I think I am town?
In that case, why did someone you think is town saying it, not lead to questioning the scumminess of others doing it?
I explained the part of your post that is "great" and it's not the part where you're scumreading my slot. anyone can think that a person with 3 posts in one week is a scum slot, but knowing it's town, and after checking herta's ISO, my immediate response was to check who's pushing that and how. as I said to ari I don't care much for the scumread on herta itself, but the reasons why people are doing that. you didn't explain yours in that post, I don't care about it it doesn't and shouldn't affect either my read on you or my read on aristeia. aristeia is pushing herta for herta's meta of lurking as scum. herta's ISO shows they have a procedure and couldn't play the game, so it feels like hiding behind meta to push a lurker, from my POV from when I replaced in. my interactions with aristeia were not great, I don't see her talking to me in good faith, so my position is that I think she is scum. I've been liking other datisi's posts in other parts of the game, and I'm not unidimensional to just do everything from the standpoint of 'are they pushing my slot or not', that was just how I entered the game because it's from what position I'm playing.
In post 491, Aristeia wrote:
Your take that a townie would let two people she thinks are townies just argue endlessly in the thread is pretty nonsensical.
I'm quite impressed you can read either from that, because I feel that if Lisa is scum his bringing up the massclaim with his (probable) actual role which is a scum role really, is where we are going to say after the game that we could've told. I think (and Datisi already confirmed) that he's quite comfortable to go into such an argument and take the correct side and then just argue till worlds end, he's likely going to come out looking like a decent person. Because he's a decent person as either allignment, except this time he picked the argument. It could be two town, but either would happily be in this position as scum as well.
So I'm happy to ignore the whole shitshow and just skim their posts because I know the start and I know the end and all in between is people flinging shit. And given the amount of comments on the discussion, I am not alone.
Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.
I didn't understand alisae's point re: mechanics but I think datisi comes off looking towny from these exchanges, not interacting in a bullshit manner to entertain thoughts he doesn't believe in. I can see ari's standpoint wrt tvt infight and I see her 'distancing' post to me as reminiscent of her earlier herta-myko solve from page 11, so I can see us playing a game where aristeia is town and I'm dropping a bit on my alisae townread just because I heavily heavily heavily dislike er putting aureal in E-1 and the way e is hooked up in mechanics comes from a ?????????? place. I expect myself to understand how er plan makes any sense if it makes any sense.
I think one thing that could happen here is that scum!alisae picked up a vendor bullshit role and knows everytime there's a vendor bullshit scum there's other vendors who are town and whatnot and e wants to get ahead of them and hardclaim. then everything else is painting mechanics over it to make it seem like you're the towny who came up with the idea first, so that when the town fruit vendor dies people don't wanna flip you necessarily.
so I'm open to reevaluating my reads on everything, it's still early isn't it.
So sure, he's lurkerscum. Which is why by the time of the deadline we are going to Elim him (I just noticed I got that wrong in the previous post, apologies
@MOD
). But it's a bit boring.
Fine, next point then. How am I attached. You've got a plan ready.
In post 280, Aristeia wrote:
his rvs vote got run up to e-1 and he is just doing nothing
that feels like scum who doesnt care about solving and thinking how nice it would be if his rvs gets elimmed on d1 without him doing anything
i think town would at least feel alarmed that his rvs vote got to e-1 before he expressed a read on it.
I agree. He had promised he was going to post that evening, it would have been fun to see him post while he somehow as on the E-1 wagon. Wavelength is there for a reason, I am there for a reason, Lisa was there for a reason and Herta is not. So it's not a real E-1 wagon, and there's only two honest votes on Aureal atm. It's one reason why I really wanted Lisa on that wagon, as stated. If somehow it goes to completion with Herta never saying a thing about it that's pretty scummy. He'd have to address it in his next post.
Sadly we got the unvote and such, but such is life.
I think this is a scummy post. there's excessive posturing wrt herta without going there and I can clearly see how myko and herta would be viewed as aligned. I also think the 'yeah herta is scum but flipping them is boring' an alarming take in a 9er with 2 scum. 'boring' is half the game if you're so sure about it.
So sure, he's lurkerscum. Which is why by the time of the deadline we are going to Elim him (I just noticed I got that wrong in the previous post, apologies
@MOD
). But it's a bit boring.
I think this is a scummy post. there's excessive posturing wrt herta without going there and I can clearly see how myko and herta would be viewed as aligned. I also think the 'yeah herta is scum but flipping them is boring' an alarming take in a 9er with 2 scum. 'boring' is half the game if you're so sure about it.
Well hello, scumbud! This is your slot.
I fear you are misreading my statement, which tbf is partly on me, I'm shortening the sentences.
I do not like deadline elims. I certainly do not like them on default options. A elim a day earlier has people commit, a deadline elim is where people get to pile on wagons where they have the excuse that it was the only way. A deadline elim on someone people barely knew anything about anyway is doubly boring. So I'm glad you are here, I doubt you are a default option now. If someone wants you gone, they will have to work for it.
Which is not boring.
Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.
