Newbie 2111 - Know Your Skittles! (Game Over)

[furtiveglance]

I think we can agree that trying to defend/explain predecessors' posting is impossible, and I won't ask you to account for Elements' play either, catboi.

[catboi]

I hope you don't consider what I'm doing as "shooting you down". I just want to pick at some of the things you've said that I find interesting. And yes I personally won't mind if you elaborate your feelings here. If it is a lot of "homework" I can't promise I can get to it or read over it in a timely manner but I will try my best. I think you should play how you want and not really worry about what other people think of it

I would still like an answer for my question in #1147 if you don't mind. What did you find scummy about HS and Freedom?

I only ask because doing a meta dive is a

lot

of work that is mostly tangential to this game when I still have to post about this game and it's unclear whether I'm being written off as desperate scum flailing etc or if you'll at least try to approach what I saywith an open mind. I'll try to get to it sometime but I think my main priority is going to be this game.

(also fair warning that my meta view is based on having spectated some games of his and modded one so it's not super rigorous but I still think it's distinctive, doing a dive atp is likely to be kind of confirmation biased, regardless of whether i'm right or not)

[catboi]

I think we can agree that trying to defend/explain predecessors' posting is impossible, and I won't ask you to account for Elements' play either, catboi.

I am not asking you to do that either (although I could pretty easily make an argument about elements since I thought the slot was town before taking it), but again I literally just got asked why I thought your predecessors were scummy.

[Black]

Cat - if your meta read on furtive is your only sr on him then yes, I would appreciate it if you did elaborate. I personally won't view it as scummy if you do. You've been providing a lot of analysis from this game so it's not like you would be using the meta case as a way to get out of talking about current events

But like you said I think your main focus should be this game. I just think if furtive is your #1 Sr and your only evidence is from other games, it would be useful to expand on that

[usesPython]

The statement on python in 188 is wishy-washy.

Do you think someone who last played Mafia in 2018 (oh god that's 5 years ago) would be able to get a solid read on my slot by that point? I'd say most people were reading my slot as ??? at the time.

The townread on Black in 189 is vague and lacks actual substance - what does having to play solidly to fake interactions mean? what is he referring to? we don't know.

Seems pretty clear to me at least, because it's the same reason I consider Weuler/Human impossible. Namely, it's an understanding that emulating your town self as scum is

hard

, and if it's

too

hard then being able to do so is basically a towntell because you straight up don't think that person has the raw ability required to emulate their town self to that extent. It's not necessarily HS saying it's impossible but it is a reason to tr someone that early into the game

The interaction with human is also pretty bizarre:

No argument there, that's also pretty much my reasoning for expecting a Human/Furtive scumteam if Weuler flips town

Then there's this:

**Vote: Weuler**
3 on Weuler, L-2, but be careful I might have miscounted.
In my current understanding of the game, I think Euler, Elements and Aureal are the most likely to flip scum. I want to run any of them up to see what content we get.

VOTE: aureal
Do you actually believe what you're writing?

These are HS's only votes/FoSes. and there's no explanation or reasoning to any of them. Notably the Weuler vote is a bandwagon vote with absolutely no explanation that I think looks like a very convenient vote for scum to make.

The Weuler vote is pretty clearly explained to be a reaction test in that same post and the Aureal vote was done after the infamous explanation of the page 4 solve. Maybe it gives off a different vibe if you're catching up but at the time it was a pretty ??? post to me at least.

[furtiveglance]

catboi's worldview doesn't make sense. he says his main read is that I'm scum, and therefore he doesn't think Weuler is aligned with me, but the reason for scumreading me is that I'm coasting along with the consensus, which only makes me scum if Weuler is town. So you have to townread Weuler first in order to scumread me. Does anyone get this, or am I waffling?

[usesPython]

catboi's worldview doesn't make sense. he says his main read is that I'm scum, and therefore he doesn't think Weuler is aligned with me, but the reason for scumreading me is that I'm coasting along with the consensus, which only makes me scum if Weuler is town. So you have to townread Weuler first in order to scumread me. Does anyone get this, or am I waffling?

They do townread Weuler in 1116 and 1117 though? Or am I missing something?

[furtiveglance]

catboi's worldview doesn't make sense. he says his main read is that I'm scum, and therefore he doesn't think Weuler is aligned with me, but the reason for scumreading me is that I'm coasting along with the consensus, which only makes me scum if Weuler is town. So you have to townread Weuler first in order to scumread me. Does anyone get this, or am I waffling?

They do townread Weuler in 1116 and 1117 though? Or am I missing something?

But before that, he posted a lot about me.

[usesPython]

But before that, he posted a lot about me.

They tr Weuler in 1091 and then start talking about you in 1093

[furtiveglance]

But before that, he posted a lot about me.

They tr Weuler in 1091 and then start talking about you in 1093

I did miss that

[Human]

Just me or does this feel like catboi is using chainsaw defence

[furtiveglance]

Just me or does this feel like catboi is using chainsaw defence

cast spell

Chainsaw Defence!

[Black]

Just me or does this feel like catboi is using chainsaw defence

Posts like this make me think Human is more experienced than he actually is. There was also another term he mentioned earlier that I didn't know about (Elo 5 or something?)

Maybe I'm just dumb though

[Black]

Human what is your mafia experience? Have you played forum mafia a lot?

[Human]

Don't have any forum experience but the wiki is informative

[Weuler]

Wow what happened today

[Weuler]

Regarding my meta: 2108 was my first game in a very long time. People hated my play on that game and I got limmed d1, so I tried to reinvent my playstyle for 2109.

In 2109 I found some good leads that I could pursue (none of them lead to the scum though ). Still I got limmed in the end and we lost. All my analysis was essentially wrong (I only found the scum team in the end because there were only 2 possibilities left). So for this game I have abandoned this more aggressive playstyle, at least until I find a good lead

[Black]

Don't have any forum experience but the wiki is informative

So you learned what "Elo" and "chainsaw defense" means by reading the wiki? Not saying you're lying but I just wanted you to clarify

[Weuler]

Also I am voting cat because of Element's weird hammer threat yesterday. In the moment I was concerned with writing stuff before being limmed, but now I realize that threat just doesn't make sense. Seems like scum anxious to get to 2v3.

[Weuler]

Also I didn't like how Arko and Freedom played the furtive slot. I mentioned D1 that I didn't like this slot, and I am wondering whether this is a scum slot that has ended up in more capable hands now

[Weuler]

Have any of you analyzed other newbie games that Weuler played in Meta from one game can be fairly unreliable

I played 2108 with Aureal (and Elements)

[furtiveglance]

Also I didn't like how Arko and Freedom played the furtive slot. I mentioned D1 that I didn't like this slot, and I am wondering whether this is a scum slot that has ended up in more capable hands now

Ask Catboi, I'm bad at scum

[Weuler]

Cat feels more towny than elements, but I'm wary about replacements to suspected slots, as it seems like replacing in has a tendency to clear any slot.

[furtiveglance]

Your read on former players can inform your read on the slot as a whole

[Human]

Don't have any forum experience but the wiki is informative

So you learned what "Elo" and "chainsaw defense" means by reading the wiki? Not saying you're lying but I just wanted you to clarify

ELo was referenced in most setups I looked at (I have looked at like 30% of them) and chainsaw defense was in play articles specifically
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... dard_Tells