Newbie 2113 - Shea it ain't So! | Game Over!

[Black]

What about my other questions?

[skitter30]

Having a mess of a timw trying to quote it in a way so that my response is readable, give me a few. The forum ate the post twice now

[Black]

fos: mafiascum

that's pretty scummy tbh

[skitter30]

- i don't like dio's vote on empathice when he joined the game, or his vote on hadriaan while pushing patches.

These votes are consistent with his playstyle. He votes inactives/lurkers and that's NAI

How do you know his playstyle? Have you played with him before? I don't recall seeing him do this last time

I feel like they are performative.

Townies are performative all the time. This isn't a scumtell

again, i don't recall seeinf him do this before + i think being performative is a lot more likely to come from scum than town. (When do you even see townies being performative)

I also don't like the sr on empathice

Do you like his sr on Kawaii? Also do you like Empathice's sr on patches?

i have no significant thoughts on either of these

- i like empathice's sr on dio, and i'm townreading the aggression/confidence.

Why don't you tr Dio for his aggression/confidence?

it isnt as extreme and doesn't feel as unlikely to come from scum
also feels less real to me

I don't think most wolves sugggest a thunderdome, or would ask abt masons in thread. These sorts of thinga might not be *pro-town* (in fact, i would argue that they aren't), but they aren't very likely to come from scum either. I would be v surprised tbh if scum did eitther of those things. The way ge's playing is unideal, sure, but it'a hard for me to call it scum. This is at that point the main reason for the tr, it's a little less abt his dio push tbh

I don't think justifying scummy behavior because "scum probably wouldn't do this" is good logic. And I disagree that wolves are unlikely to try to pull this off, especially in a newbie game where it would be much easier to try to out the Masons D1. Thunderdoming? It's too easy for a wolf to manipulate in a newbie game, and Emp never said he would go first. wolf!Emp could easy have the motive of suggesting this to clear himself, pushing for the Dio lim, and then finding a way to get out of it on D2. That's not out of the question at all

addressed this one already

Also: i don't really liie the conclusions of ' there's probably scum in me/empathice' b/c i know i'm town and i think empathice is as well, and trying to flip both of us is rather unideal from my pov

If Emp somehow flips town then your buddying will have seemed really informed tbh

1. That's v unfortunate b/c i am town
2. I don't think i'm buddying him at all
3. If he is town there'sv likely scum in people suggesting this, there's been a few of you

I'm responding in another color

[Empathice]

Empath, please respond to the colors. You dodged all these questions somehow...

You

ARE

going to die tonight.

Maybe

It's optimal to claim if you are masons with Dion right now

because Dion's absorbing the attention of the thread.

Even if I am a mason, what good would it do to claim it now?

Your argument is based around the fact that:

a) Dio is under pressure
b) I'm going to die tonight

It doesn't look to me like there is enough support to vote Dio out, at least not yet. And shouldn't he claim mason in that case if he is one?

Literally what good does it do to give BOTH masons away to the wolves on D1??

All that does is make sure the only two confirmed town in the game are dead N1 and N2

As far as me dying tonight, so what? I flip mason and Dio can then choose to confirm himself at any point. How would me claiming now change this at all?

Black WILL die regardless. I'm only asking if they are masons with one particular person.

This is always a wolf post and a wolf mindset. Always

I Didn't think about that when I asked.

^

Blue answer.

[Black]

Empathice, I'm not buying that. An experienced town player wouldn't push for both masons to claim D1. And for your blue answer I'll reiterate: Dio is not in danger of being limmed atm and even if he was, it should be him that claims, not me

[Black]

Skitter, who do you think has been trying to solve this game more: Dio or Empath?

[Thestatusquo]

Herta has not responded to prod and will be replaced.

[Black]

Two replacements incoming

UNVOTE:

My vote is spirituality on Empath but I don't want any crazy hammer nonsense before the two replacements get caught up and contribute

[Thestatusquo]

Furtiveglance replaces Herta

[furtiveglance]

Hello

ඞ

[Black]

Hi furtive :3

3/3 of my MS games have you in it lol. Are you stalking me?

[Black]

Now go read and tell me if I'm way off on Empath or not

[furtiveglance]

Now go read and tell me if I'm way off on Empath or not

I'm Empath with a 2

I haven't read anything but will do

[KawaiiKame]

'Scum wouldnt do this' is like the key metric for scumhunting imo. That's how i find town and my thought process when trying to read people

If you can figure out what scum won't do, and you see someone doing it anyways, they're probably town. It works

And honestly i townread the sheet audacity of offering a thunderdome: i have a really, really hard time seeing scum trying that move

Would scum thunderdome? If the thinking is only town would do something this insane then yes, scum would do this
Would scum ask 2 masons to out dpI? Definitely, yes, scum would do this

[furtiveglance]

What if I do the classic 10 page sample catch up

Spoiler: Page 1

Dionysus' 14 is scummy. BBT's 23 would be +town if he hadn't voted Dio before 14.

Spoiler: Page 2

KawaiiKame and skitter30 feel +town, patchwork null

Spoiler: Page 3

BBT reads +town. I don't think Dionysus' explanation is +town.

Spoiler: Page 4

patchwork reappearance is null/scum I think, they feel a bit reactive.

Spoiler: Page 5

Hadriaan is a tricky read. Null/town I think. Black catch up looks +town.

Spoiler: Page 6

patchwork's posting is +scum, looks quite reactive/beetlejuice/active lurking. Empathice entrance looks +town in its boldness.

Spoiler: Page 7

Empathice +town. Dionysus and patchwork +scum.

Spoiler: Page 8

patchwork's defence is unconvincing. Dionysus' reads have patchwork as a scumlean, but doesn't vote them even though they're at E-2 or something. And the list below leaves out patchwork.

Spoiler: Page 9

patchwork continues to talk primarily about themself, +scum.

Spoiler: Page 10

The VC has both my scumreads at E-2, neither voting the other, which looks promising. patchwork's readslist has Dionysus second from bottom, mirroring Dionysus' read on them. Then their interaction with Dionysus voting patchwork only after skitter unvoted.

Page 10 reads: It's Dionysus and patchwork.

[furtiveglance]

VoteCount 1.7

Empathice [ 3 ]

Black, dionysus kawaiikame

Dionysus [ 2 ]

skitter30, empathice

Herta (SE) [ 1 ]

Hadriaaan

patchwork [ 1 ]

BluebloodedToffee

Not Voting [ 2 ]

Herta, Patchwork,

With 9 alive it takes 5 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline:(expired on 2023-02-28 21:26:00)

No tips or tricks this time. Your mod is exhausted.

Hadriaaan has requested replacement and herta has been prodded.

VOTE: Dionysus

[Black]

I will be looking forward to your analysis on the next 17 pages and I'm curious how they will change your current opinions

[furtiveglance]

I will be looking forward to your analysis on the next 17 pages and I'm curious how they will change your current opinions

I don't think they will really, but I'll let you know

[Black]

How can you say that without having any idea what takes place in those 17 pages?

[furtiveglance]

I'm a confident player

[skitter30]

@furitive why dio

[Black]

Regardless how confident you are...anything can happen in those 17 pages. Like someone trying to force the masons to claim idk

[furtiveglance]

Regardless how confident you are...anything can happen in those 17 pages. Like someone trying to force the masons to claim idk

Someone tried to out us? You didn't spill the beans did you?

[furtiveglance]

@furitive why dio

Just seems awkward and scummy