I love big deep pockets fIn post 148, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:My pocket is big enough for everyone. Don't be jelouseIn post 144, Empathice wrote: I Don't think inventions being awarded to scum is something you should be worried about as they will be known to have said invention and will be held accountable for it's use. You should still be worried that they may try to choose players to get the invention who will use it in a way that benefits them however.
92 looks pockety to me but it's certainly not a strong read.
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Do you not think both is possible at once, why these mutually exclusive?In post 139, Empathice wrote: Enchant changing the story on their vote or Kyoko pocketing Eater?-
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Eh.
If you give FN for someone and they scum, they are forced to lie that teammate received message or die or pretend to be roleblocked.
First is gradually risky for obvious reason.Wizard-Mercenary
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I dont see any issue with discussing what we gonna choose during day. but we should not discuss who we gonna give the skill to during day. The nightmare group should discuss that over night IMO-
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92 doesn't look pockety to me but I guess you could generate that thought for some arcane reasonIn post 144, Empathice wrote:92 looks pockety to me but it's certainly not a strong read.
yeah... hence why expressing scumreads are important this gameIn post 145, KawaiiKame wrote:Anyone can be scum trying to control the nightmare mechanic, this is not exclusive to Enchant
if it isn't obvious, I scumread Enchant
pedit: this setup is possibly not standard-alignment, so fakeclaiming FN wouldn't be without risk. It still would be a good fakeclaim though. FN and Vig get less useful the later in the game we are so that's why I think those are good for the N1 invention.
ppedit: yeah discussing who to give an invention to is best left to the nightmare... otherwise we'd have a 200% chance of scum interfering in that discussiontime will end-
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Then we need to put scummy players into the nightmare to make use of FN and those same players will help decide how to use the inventions.In post 153, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: I dont see any issue with discussing what we gonna choose during day. but we should not discuss who we gonna give the skill to during day. The nightmare group should discuss that over night IMO-
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Oh shut up alreadyIn post 154, TemporalLich wrote: Vig get less useful the later in the gameWizard-Mercenary
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Hmm true. forgot second person is receiving a message here. guess FN is actually the best option then cause it can technically form masonsIn post 152, Enchant wrote: Eh.
If you give FN for someone and they scum, they are forced to lie that teammate received message or die or pretend to be roleblocked.
First is gradually risky for obvious reason.
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Self nightmare isn't scummy, it was mainly an RVS vote.In post 121, Enchant wrote: I don't know who thinked that OMGUS is scummy and writed this on wiki (now people parrot this as universal scumread without thinking), but if someone thinks that selfvoting for PR is scummy, then they DESERVE the vote in response.-
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It's still badWizard-Mercenary
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Really? I literally didn't see any interaction directed at me from them.In post 136, Empathice wrote: Kyoko might be pocketing Eater.
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Idk.In post 159, Enchant wrote: It's still bad
I also don't like how you present yourself as tryong to avoid a vig trollshot when knowing you, you would give yourself vigshot at first opportunity.-
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Anyone would give self vigshot at first opportunity because they are smartest/deserved it/it's funny/insert reason, it doesh't mean it's best for town.In post 161, DragonEater70 wrote:
Idk.In post 159, Enchant wrote: It's still bad
I also don't like how you present yourself as tryong to avoid a vig trollshot when knowing you, you would give yourself vigshot at first opportunity.Wizard-Mercenary
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As only voice of reason i am going in nightmare.Wizard-Mercenary
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Wait do you mean that Kyoko saying fluffy thongs about my username is an attempt to pocket me? It's literally just fluff.-
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Nah I would probably give mysepf cop or FN or something (I forgot what the abilities are so yeah).In post 163, Enchant wrote:
Anyone would give self vigshot at first opportunity because they are smartest/deserved it/it's funny/insert reason, it doesh't mean it's best for town.In post 161, DragonEater70 wrote:
Idk.In post 159, Enchant wrote: It's still bad
I also don't like how you present yourself as tryong to avoid a vig trollshot when knowing you, you would give yourself vigshot at first opportunity.-
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I don't like this post.In post 109, DragonEater70 wrote: HURT: Save The Dragons, KawaiiKame, Temporal Lich, Gimli, Empath, DragonEater
Btw Gimli I think is town because, from a mech standpoint, being hated only makes sense for town (basically makes ELo more dangerous) but doesn't work really with scum. Of course it could be a red herring though.
And nightmarin' myself because I'm conftown in my eyes.
1- hated modifier is usually not for ELO, vote modifiers get disabled on elo for obvious reasons most of time.
2 - We don't know what skills a scum player might have. It might be strong enough to justify the hated modifier.
3 - You're town hunting more than scum hunting
Would you call that your play style?
This sounds a bit like panicking, the vote was initially done on a serious context/post. Why would you drop a random vote in this:In post 158, DragonEater70 wrote:
Self nightmare isn't scummy, it was mainly an RVS vote.In post 121, Enchant wrote: I don't know who thinked that OMGUS is scummy and writed this on wiki (now people parrot this as universal scumread without thinking), but if someone thinks that selfvoting for PR is scummy, then they DESERVE the vote in response.
So I feel like you're saying its RVS just to get away from a discussion about itIn post 94, DragonEater70 wrote:
Don't really see it.In post 66, Empathice wrote: Botanical Rat is very towny.
Temporal Lich's #34 looks like campaigning to be placed in the Nightmare?
Agreed.In post 68, TemporalLich wrote: I'd say Botanical Rat is null with maybe an iota of town.
34 was me trying to explain the nightmare mechanic, and saying I'd put people who are good at solving the game in the nightmare as that's how to get the most town benefit from that mechanic in my opinion
pedit: good question... I can't answer that myself sadly.
Actually it feela you are solvong as well.In post 69, Empathice wrote:
No, I don't know them, but they're nearly the only person who's actually solving so far and certainly the person doing the most so far.In post 67, Doctor Drew wrote:
Do you think they are good at solving?In post 66, Empathice wrote: Botanical Rat is very towny.
Temporal Lich's #34 looks like campaigning to be placed in the Nightmare?
VOTE: Enchant
really?In post 160, DragonEater70 wrote:
Really? I literally didn't see any interaction directed at me from them.In post 136, Empathice wrote: Kyoko might be pocketing Eater.
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yeah a spicy vig shot might be funni but that doesn't mean a spicy vig shot is towny
pedit: and my metric for nightmare votes is propensity to gamesolve, not reasonableness
ppedit: yeah I think fluff makes more sense than pocketing for 92
cop isn't a nightmare ability but tracker is, though giving yourself FN would make sense if you could do that.time will end-
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They are not, Empath is asking ehat TP is failing to see out of these two things.In post 151, KawaiiKame wrote:
Do you not think both is possible at once, why these mutually exclusive?In post 139, Empathice wrote: Enchant changing the story on their vote or Kyoko pocketing Eater?-
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1&2 - that's fair. I don't know if Gimli is town or not, I'll change my vote later cause too lazy atm.In post 167, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
I don't like this post.In post 109, DragonEater70 wrote: HURT: Save The Dragons, KawaiiKame, Temporal Lich, Gimli, Empath, DragonEater
Btw Gimli I think is town because, from a mech standpoint, being hated only makes sense for town (basically makes ELo more dangerous) but doesn't work really with scum. Of course it could be a red herring though.
And nightmarin' myself because I'm conftown in my eyes.
1- hated modifier is usually not for ELO, vote modifiers get disabled on elo for obvious reasons most of time.
2 - We don't know what skills a scum player might have. It might be strong enough to justify the hated modifier.
3 - You're town hunting more than scum hunting
Would you call that your play style?
This sounds a bit like panicking, the vote was initially done on a serious context/post. Why would you drop a random vote in this:In post 158, DragonEater70 wrote:
Self nightmare isn't scummy, it was mainly an RVS vote.In post 121, Enchant wrote: I don't know who thinked that OMGUS is scummy and writed this on wiki (now people parrot this as universal scumread without thinking), but if someone thinks that selfvoting for PR is scummy, then they DESERVE the vote in response.
So I feel like you're saying its RVS just to get away from a discussion about itIn post 94, DragonEater70 wrote:
Don't really see it.In post 66, Empathice wrote: Botanical Rat is very towny.
Temporal Lich's #34 looks like campaigning to be placed in the Nightmare?
Agreed.In post 68, TemporalLich wrote: I'd say Botanical Rat is null with maybe an iota of town.
34 was me trying to explain the nightmare mechanic, and saying I'd put people who are good at solving the game in the nightmare as that's how to get the most town benefit from that mechanic in my opinion
pedit: good question... I can't answer that myself sadly.
Actually it feela you are solvong as well.In post 69, Empathice wrote:
No, I don't know them, but they're nearly the only person who's actually solving so far and certainly the person doing the most so far.In post 67, Doctor Drew wrote:
Do you think they are good at solving?In post 66, Empathice wrote: Botanical Rat is very towny.
Temporal Lich's #34 looks like campaigning to be placed in the Nightmare?
VOTE: Enchant
really?In post 160, DragonEater70 wrote:
Really? I literally didn't see any interaction directed at me from them.In post 136, Empathice wrote: Kyoko might be pocketing Eater.
But might've missed, will ISO them later.
3. I feel it's easier to townhunt at the beginning than scumhunt, because I struggle to get scum reads on people before we have big wagons and readlists and all this kinda stuff. But as the game develops it gets easier for me to scumhunt.-
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if you want a run-on sentence than sure
Save The Dragons has towny vibes (though has no real towny content), KawaiiKame also has towny vibes and also is pretty game solvey with their nightmare votes, DragonEater70 is quite solvey and good at townhunting, and Kyoko Kirigiri is quite towny and good at asking questions to gain info
pedit: uhh... who is TP?time will end-
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And yeah the only interaction before this post was a bit of fluff and asking me to clarify my townreads. I don't see how this is pocketing.
As to RVS/not RVS - I don't know how other players see it on this site, but in my eyes there's several levels of RVS. I don't feel we've gotten to the point in the game yet where we can be 100% or even 90% certain someone is scum, but we can sorta vote people for semi serious reasons mainly to gauge reactions. I definitely didn't look at Enchant's post and said "okay they are scum", but neither was the vote completely random. It was somewhere in the middle.-
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Oh I meant TL, mb.In post 172, TemporalLich wrote: if you want a run-on sentence than sure
Save The Dragons has towny vibes (though has no real towny content), KawaiiKame also has towny vibes and also is pretty game solvey with their nightmare votes, DragonEater70 is quite solvey and good at townhunting, and Kyoko Kirigiri is quite towny and good at asking questions to gain info
pedit: uhh... who is TP?
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