Weird Dreams Mafia I [Gone]

[KawaiiKame]

I Don't think inventions being awarded to scum is something you should be worried about as they will be known to have said invention and will be held accountable for it's use. You should still be worried that they may try to choose players to get the invention who will use it in a way that benefits them however.

92 looks pockety to me but it's certainly not a strong read.

My pocket is big enough for everyone. Don't be jelouse

I love big deep pockets f

[KawaiiKame]

Enchant changing the story on their vote or Kyoko pocketing Eater?

Do you not think both is possible at once, why these mutually exclusive?

[Enchant]

Eh.

If you give FN for someone and they scum, they are forced to lie that teammate received message or die or pretend to be roleblocked.

First is gradually risky for obvious reason.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I dont see any issue with discussing what we gonna choose during day. but we should not discuss who we gonna give the skill to during day. The nightmare group should discuss that over night IMO

[TemporalLich]

92 looks pockety to me but it's certainly not a strong read.

92 doesn't look pockety to me but I guess you could generate that thought for some arcane reason

Anyone can be scum trying to control the nightmare mechanic, this is not exclusive to Enchant

yeah... hence why expressing scumreads are important this game

if it isn't obvious, I scumread Enchant

pedit: this setup is possibly not standard-alignment, so fakeclaiming FN wouldn't be without risk. It still would be a good fakeclaim though. FN and Vig get less useful the later in the game we are so that's why I think those are good for the N1 invention.

ppedit: yeah discussing who to give an invention to is best left to the nightmare... otherwise we'd have a 200% chance of scum interfering in that discussion

[Empathice]

I dont see any issue with discussing what we gonna choose during day. but we should not discuss who we gonna give the skill to during day. The nightmare group should discuss that over night IMO

Then we need to put scummy players into the nightmare to make use of FN and those same players will help decide how to use the inventions.

[Enchant]

Vig get less useful the later in the game

Oh shut up already

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Eh.

If you give FN for someone and they scum, they are forced to lie that teammate received message or die or pretend to be roleblocked.

First is gradually risky for obvious reason.

Hmm true. forgot second person is receiving a message here. guess FN is actually the best option then cause it can technically form masons

pedit: no there is a huge chance that there are other mechanics relating nightmares that we're not aware of. Is best to not have a scum sabotage the nightmare in anyway

[DragonEater70]

I don't know who thinked that OMGUS is scummy and writed this on wiki (now people parrot this as universal scumread without thinking), but if someone thinks that selfvoting for PR is scummy, then they DESERVE the vote in response.

Self nightmare isn't scummy, it was mainly an RVS vote.

[Enchant]

It's still bad

[DragonEater70]

Kyoko might be pocketing Eater.

Really? I literally didn't see any interaction directed at me from them.
But might've missed, will ISO them later.

[DragonEater70]

It's still bad

Idk.

I also don't like how you present yourself as tryong to avoid a vig trollshot when knowing you, you would give yourself vigshot at first opportunity.

[TemporalLich]

vig is chaos and chaos is funni

[Enchant]

It's still bad

Idk.

I also don't like how you present yourself as tryong to avoid a vig trollshot when knowing you, you would give yourself vigshot at first opportunity.

Anyone would give self vigshot at first opportunity because they are smartest/deserved it/it's funny/insert reason, it doesh't mean it's best for town.

[Enchant]

As only voice of reason i am going in nightmare.

[DragonEater70]

Wait do you mean that Kyoko saying fluffy thongs about my username is an attempt to pocket me? It's literally just fluff.

[DragonEater70]

It's still bad

Idk.

I also don't like how you present yourself as tryong to avoid a vig trollshot when knowing you, you would give yourself vigshot at first opportunity.

Anyone would give self vigshot at first opportunity because they are smartest/deserved it/it's funny/insert reason, it doesh't mean it's best for town.

Nah I would probably give mysepf cop or FN or something (I forgot what the abilities are so yeah).

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

HURT: Save The Dragons, KawaiiKame, Temporal Lich, Gimli, Empath, DragonEater

Btw Gimli I think is town because, from a mech standpoint, being hated only makes sense for town (basically makes ELo more dangerous) but doesn't work really with scum. Of course it could be a red herring though.
And nightmarin' myself because I'm conftown in my eyes.

I don't like this post.

1- hated modifier is usually not for ELO, vote modifiers get disabled on elo for obvious reasons most of time.
2 - We don't know what skills a scum player might have. It might be strong enough to justify the hated modifier.
3 - You're town hunting more than scum hunting

Would you call that your play style?

I don't know who thinked that OMGUS is scummy and writed this on wiki (now people parrot this as universal scumread without thinking), but if someone thinks that selfvoting for PR is scummy, then they DESERVE the vote in response.

Self nightmare isn't scummy, it was mainly an RVS vote.

This sounds a bit like panicking, the vote was initially done on a serious context/post. Why would you drop a random vote in this:

Botanical Rat is very towny.

Temporal Lich's #34 looks like campaigning to be placed in the Nightmare?

Don't really see it.

I'd say Botanical Rat is null with maybe an iota of town.

34 was me trying to explain the nightmare mechanic, and saying I'd put people who are good at solving the game in the nightmare as that's how to get the most town benefit from that mechanic in my opinion

pedit: good question... I can't answer that myself sadly.

Agreed.

Botanical Rat is very towny.

Temporal Lich's #34 looks like campaigning to be placed in the Nightmare?

Do you think they are good at solving?

No, I don't know them, but they're nearly the only person who's actually solving so far and certainly the person doing the most so far.

Actually it feela you are solvong as well.

HURT: Enchant

Mmm power

VOTE: Enchant

So I feel like you're saying its RVS just to get away from a discussion about it

Kyoko might be pocketing Eater.

Really? I literally didn't see any interaction directed at me from them.
But might've missed, will ISO them later.

really?

[TemporalLich]

yeah a spicy vig shot might be funni but that doesn't mean a spicy vig shot is towny

pedit: and my metric for nightmare votes is propensity to gamesolve, not reasonableness

ppedit: yeah I think fluff makes more sense than pocketing for 92

cop isn't a nightmare ability but tracker is, though giving yourself FN would make sense if you could do that.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I would love if you would talk 1 sentence about all your town reads (you have long hurt list)

[DragonEater70]

Enchant changing the story on their vote or Kyoko pocketing Eater?

Do you not think both is possible at once, why these mutually exclusive?

They are not, Empath is asking ehat TP is failing to see out of these two things.

[DragonEater70]

HURT: Save The Dragons, KawaiiKame, Temporal Lich, Gimli, Empath, DragonEater

Btw Gimli I think is town because, from a mech standpoint, being hated only makes sense for town (basically makes ELo more dangerous) but doesn't work really with scum. Of course it could be a red herring though.
And nightmarin' myself because I'm conftown in my eyes.

I don't like this post.

1- hated modifier is usually not for ELO, vote modifiers get disabled on elo for obvious reasons most of time.
2 - We don't know what skills a scum player might have. It might be strong enough to justify the hated modifier.
3 - You're town hunting more than scum hunting

Would you call that your play style?

I don't know who thinked that OMGUS is scummy and writed this on wiki (now people parrot this as universal scumread without thinking), but if someone thinks that selfvoting for PR is scummy, then they DESERVE the vote in response.

Self nightmare isn't scummy, it was mainly an RVS vote.

This sounds a bit like panicking, the vote was initially done on a serious context/post. Why would you drop a random vote in this:

Botanical Rat is very towny.

Temporal Lich's #34 looks like campaigning to be placed in the Nightmare?

Don't really see it.

I'd say Botanical Rat is null with maybe an iota of town.

34 was me trying to explain the nightmare mechanic, and saying I'd put people who are good at solving the game in the nightmare as that's how to get the most town benefit from that mechanic in my opinion

pedit: good question... I can't answer that myself sadly.

Agreed.

Botanical Rat is very towny.

Temporal Lich's #34 looks like campaigning to be placed in the Nightmare?

Do you think they are good at solving?

No, I don't know them, but they're nearly the only person who's actually solving so far and certainly the person doing the most so far.

Actually it feela you are solvong as well.

HURT: Enchant

Mmm power

VOTE: Enchant

So I feel like you're saying its RVS just to get away from a discussion about it

Kyoko might be pocketing Eater.

Really? I literally didn't see any interaction directed at me from them.
But might've missed, will ISO them later.

really?

1&2 - that's fair. I don't know if Gimli is town or not, I'll change my vote later cause too lazy atm.
3. I feel it's easier to townhunt at the beginning than scumhunt, because I struggle to get scum reads on people before we have big wagons and readlists and all this kinda stuff. But as the game develops it gets easier for me to scumhunt.

[TemporalLich]

if you want a run-on sentence than sure

Save The Dragons has towny vibes (though has no real towny content), KawaiiKame also has towny vibes and also is pretty game solvey with their nightmare votes, DragonEater70 is quite solvey and good at townhunting, and Kyoko Kirigiri is quite towny and good at asking questions to gain info

pedit: uhh... who is TP?

[DragonEater70]

And yeah the only interaction before this post was a bit of fluff and asking me to clarify my townreads. I don't see how this is pocketing.

As to RVS/not RVS - I don't know how other players see it on this site, but in my eyes there's several levels of RVS. I don't feel we've gotten to the point in the game yet where we can be 100% or even 90% certain someone is scum, but we can sorta vote people for semi serious reasons mainly to gauge reactions. I definitely didn't look at Enchant's post and said "okay they are scum", but neither was the vote completely random. It was somewhere in the middle.

[DragonEater70]

if you want a run-on sentence than sure

Save The Dragons has towny vibes (though has no real towny content), KawaiiKame also has towny vibes and also is pretty game solvey with their nightmare votes, DragonEater70 is quite solvey and good at townhunting, and Kyoko Kirigiri is quite towny and good at asking questions to gain info

pedit: uhh... who is TP?

Oh I meant TL, mb.