In post 532, Gimli wrote:
comus you say I'm not open minded but you've been tunneling elsa since page 1 and your entire case against me is associative.
This is a complete lie.
In post 532, Gimli wrote:
like I said many times, and like I do in every town game I play, I recommend us killing amongst the people failing to play the game first, at least as far as d1 goes.
Gimli said even if Elsa is scum, let's vote other scum. This statement is a repeat of that one, though it's clear Gimli insists Elsa is a villager at this point. Still hasn't really explained. If Gimli is scum and Elsa a villager these statements serve to keep an Elsa execution on the table at a later date.
In post 532, Gimli wrote:
I don't read elsa's posts and think they're scummy. you do. ausuka does.
The earlier statement about how Elsa can be scum but we should vote elsewhere today is jarring considering the above. Regardless of what Elsa is, the way Gimli talks about them is abnormal and might easily indicate wolf.
In post 532, Gimli wrote:
I explained why I'm townreading her but everything I post you take as me using a buzzword, not saying anything, and etc. IDK if wordbombing the thread will help you see what I mean because you're married to your tunnel.
Your explanations lack substance. As do most of your reads. You say get the lurkers, and almost everyone else is a villager. You are hesitant to go beyond that. Hesitant to lock yourself in? Need allies as wolf to push on your lurker picks? Why isn't Elsa a lurker? Throwing out reads but offering little explanation means you get the allies and you get the ability to easily backtrack on those reads as executions become viable, having the your other allies not yet betrayed push those executions through because you fostered a faux trust in them.
In post 532, Gimli wrote:
I think elsa is posting sharp reads that are so good they're almost TMIish (but I think she is just town playing well) in at least two occasions: her Kawaii = town PR read makes sense as someone who is seeing a player acting jumpy and preemptive, trying to make people townread him like kawaii seem to be doing. and her kokichi townread as 'playing scummy on purpose to gauge reactions' and whatnot is a difficult read to make. you can see other players thinking kokichi is just scummy instead of this.
These are two reads. Why would Elsa as a villager call out a possible powered role? That doesn't bother you? The Kokichi read is not difficult to make. Wolves can easily say anything about villagers if they know they are villagers.
Where are these other 'sharp reads'? They don't exist. Elsa isn't sharp, they come in with simple statements and aren't solving. No sharpness. Kawaii can be a powered role and Kokichi is the good kind of lurker are something a wolf can say, and moreover, you have to know the alignment of Kawaii and Kokichi to call Elsa's reads sharp in any way.
In post 532, Gimli wrote:
can this be a wolf? yes this can be a wolf. is it a good d1 elimination? no I don't think it is and I hate how everyone is casing her with flimsy whatever things.
Still hedging despite going after me and Ausuka for thinking Elsa is scummy. If a wolf is found day one, vote them out. Very simple. You continue to say Elsa can be a wolf but let us vote for someone else who can also be a wolf, and then you say Elsa isn't a wolf.
There's a reason Gimli is a good vote today.
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If Elsa is a villager, Gimli is setting them up while pocketing them, a very nuanced play because Elsa will trust Gimli enough for the defense to not notice the future shade.
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If both are wolves, they are clearly defending each other while doing low-effort distancing to appear unaligned.
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If only Elsa is the wolf, Gimli is absolutely siding with evil to push on lurkers, who have less information to go on, less wolfy play than Elsa.
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Gimli can go today. I see no value here.