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It's apparently "too wolfy to be a wolf", meaning "too scummy to be a real scum".
Also, sorry for not posting here in a while. I'm back. I haven't done any analysis of anyone at all. Doing it now.-
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Going to do a quick ISO of all the less active players (who I also have less to read off of), as I promised in 355
Starting with Flea:
Yeah this feels like town!FleaIn post 213, Flea The Magician wrote: Morning.
Anything spicy in te 9 pages I'm not going to read?
VOTE: Rat
HURT: Flea The Magnificant, Gimli, Tweetie, Kyoko
This is weird reasoning because scumchat is very different to main thread. And if Flea knows that then why are they posting that?In post 248, Flea The Magician wrote:
Not always, he did mech spec in the scum chat in Mutiny.In post 234, Save The Dragons wrote: enchant having wim/not trolling/doing mech spec is probably town enchant
Also feels like town!Flea (from the one town game I played with faer).In post 406, Flea The Magician wrote:
its more the readslist is force than the post, I haaaaaate having to spew D1 reads because they're like 1 point in either direction usually, sometimes 2... out of 10.In post 401, TemporalLich wrote: HURT: Save The Dragons, KawaiiKame, Gimli, Ranger, Doctor Drew, Morning Tweet
updating nightmare vote, removing kyoko for potentially having scummy pushes (exactly what wedon'twant in the nightmare) and adding doctor drew because of 398 giving good reasoning for reads and being proactive.
also adding morning tweet for the proactive post 396
I still think imaginality and Flea The Magician are scummy, and 357 is self-admittedly forced (very bad for nightmare votes!)
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Next up: Doctor Drew:
Kinda reads like scum trying to make a town-sounding post and deciding to post about nothing.In post 24, Doctor Drew wrote: I know this is wacky, even more wacky than a Korina game normally is, because they didn't make me CL.
Now I am all out of sorts.
I don't understand how anyone can read this as solvy? This is literally hurting players based on how good DD thinks they are at solving. It's basically meta and mech based, no solving.In post 302, Doctor Drew wrote: HURT: Gimli, Meg, Botanical
I think I do remember people saying we want the most solvy players to run the nightmare?
To me, at least who I have played with recently, Meg and Gimli would be at the top of my list. As far as the hydra, they both are quality as well....but I figure two heads are better than one in this scenario (it pains me to compliment a hydra lol)
This is kinda NAI on the surface, my brain says it's even a bit townie but my guy says it's actually scum trying to sound townie. Especially in Donner Party Firebringer (who was scum) was also posting about how they are not towny at all and they were scum.In post 316, Doctor Drew wrote: I do wonder why Kawaii is so low, along with Morning.......and I have been lock town apparently, even I would say I haven't been blatant town.
So I'm just going to say this sounds a bit like a stretch. If scum!me wanted to warn scum!Gimli about being scummy, I would've done it in the PT.In post 381, Doctor Drew wrote:
This just screamed of 'hey fellow scum, don't act so scummy'In post 350, DragonEater70 wrote:
You really shpuld be playing D1 when it's your town meta to be very active D1. Idk why town you wouldn't want to play D1.In post 339, Gimli wrote: you're really gonna make me have to play this d1 aren't you kyoko
hood <<<< vig, no? why would you prefer a hood over a vig instead?
Maybe this is actually a townie post? Acknowledging they haven't made any reads so far (except the one on me). Hm.In post 384, Doctor Drew wrote: And TL, tbf I did say I think they are solid players, not that I was town reading them per se.
Overall verdict: moderate scumlean.
VOTE: Doctor Drew
And to answer your question,
Maybe because I was really surprised Gimli was acting that way, and wanted to point it out? I was actually thinking that if Gimli refused to play this D1 actively then that'd be a meta scumtell. Gimli explained it quite well here:In post 393, Doctor Drew wrote: I bit on the nose yes for scum for scum, as I stewed on it a little bit more it seems more of a S v T thing.
I don't understand why town would say that though.
In post 395, Gimli wrote: DE just expects me to play harder than this since last game we played together I played it pretty hard and was hard TR'ed throughout
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Morning Tweet:
NAIIn post 31, Morning Tweet wrote: I once had a dream that Enchant.....
once had a dream that DragonEater70..........
once had a dream that imaginality.....
once had a dream that imaginality..........
once had a dream that KawaiiKame.....
once had a dream that Enchant..........
once had a dream that Ranger.....
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once had a dream that Ranger.....
once had a dream that Empathice..........
once had a dream that Save the Dragons.....
woke up
VOTE: Dragons
I see this is a somewhat townie post.
Like this one, feels like townie mindset.In post 303, Morning Tweet wrote:
Reflecting.. I'm inclined to agree I think. I think him getting upset at people voting him plus sweating over the nightmare mechanic for some reason probably comes from a genuine place.In post 234, Save The Dragons wrote: enchant having wim/not trolling/doing mech spec is probably town enchant
It's less likely that he's reacting in a frustrated way in response to OMGUS as scum i think, I think he'd be more likely to brush it off. And I think his fixation on how the mechanic is used is more likely to be real, not sure what the obvious motive is for scum
HURT: DragonEater This is a very good bet.
Someone said that scum can't get in the nightmare. Sort of. I mean, if scum shoots the person who receives the nightmare, we're still gonna learn there's scum running the nightmare. The more people we put in there that we're sure are town, the better the result could potentially be. And the less likely scum will want to do that
Ideally it still needs to be as towny as possible so this nitpick im making doesnt rlly matter. But if scum get in we can still work w that is what I mean
Another very good post, feels very organic, I like how you can see MT's thought process unfold while writing the post. Very very townie.
I really like the critical thinking here.
Verdict: Strong town.-
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Meg ISO:
In post 12, MegAzumarill wrote:eggIn post 65, MegAzumarill wrote: Someone make reads so I don't have to
These feel very carefree in attitude, in a way that is usually townie. I don't think scum would fake this very easily. Like when Enchant fakes it, it's obvious.In post 107, MegAzumarill wrote:
You should put me in, so I can use the vigIn post 102, Enchant wrote: You should put me in, otherwise these idiots will try to use vig.
HURT: MegAzumarill
In post 268, MegAzumarill wrote: Not really sure how to parse imaginalities opening here because it feels very forceful and I don't think scum would draw that attention to themselves but also I don't think town has reason to do that.
I kinda like the critical thinking here, even though it's not a lot.In post 277, MegAzumarill wrote:
I mean it feels like making a mountain out of a common occurence (discussing RVS) and making a read purely off of that feels a bit unnaturalIn post 273, Empathice wrote:
Reason to do what, exactly?In post 268, MegAzumarill wrote: Not really sure how to parse imaginalities opening here because it feels very forceful and I don't think scum would draw that attention to themselves but also I don't think town has reason to do that.
Having moderately scummy players is ideal for making use of FN so Rat's comment has value.In post 269, MegAzumarill wrote: Empath, what do you mean by the fn bit
I get you said that but you followed it up with that if that wasn't the case then FN is the best option. Do you think FN is just the best option?
Would love an explanation of this read, at least in 1-2 sentences.In post 364, MegAzumarill wrote: Dragoneater prolly town
Verdict: townlean.-
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Hmmm maybe I should just get myself a note PT, do all these ISO's in there, and then just give you guys a readlist at the end of all this.-
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Okay heading to sleep and will continue this tomorrow, maybe. But not before I HURT: Temporal, Kyoko, Tweet, Kawaii, Dragon, Empath, Ranger
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DragonEater70 has really turned it around with the catch-up and ISOing of several players
very solvey and quite towny indeed
HURT: Save The Dragons, KawaiiKame, Gimli, Ranger, Doctor Drew, Morning Tweet, DragonEater70time will end-
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doctor drew still feels slightly towny and solvey to me tbh... so doctor drew is still in my nightmare vote for nowtime will end-
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DragonEater was not under severe pressure, and the push was one with a weak enough basis that focusing on it as you did seems unnatural. It was overblown. It was out of place. It wasn't something casually done, or done to make a point. It looked like you went out of your way to defend DragonEater, in a way I don't think town would be inclined to.In post 414, Morning Tweet wrote:I'm curious why exactly I come across like im forcing a townread on Dragon to Ranger. And also prolly why Ranger has Enchant so low
Enchant is so low because Enchant's contributions have looked strongly +scum to me. The reasons for defense of Enchant boil down to meta, but those meta defenses of Enchant seem lazy at best, disingenuous at worst. I don't think people being truly honest with themselves have conviction Enchant's contributions are definitively town. I can understand themviewinghis posts as town. I can understand them having a surface-level take on Enchant which they don't bother to dig deeper on at this stage.
But from what I've seen, Enchant is not outside of his scum range, and his contributions have been suspect.
Why wouldn't I have him so low?
Enchant's contributions have been forced in a way I feel is likely scum-indicative. I'm not seeing anything which looks remotely town from Enchant, and I see plenty which looks like scum. Given me not buying the meta defense, I've no reason to not have him that low as meta is hisIn post 414, Morning Tweet wrote:I can understand disagreeing with the meta but what has Enchant at the bottom of your possible suspects at the bottom of your reads since P4 onwards to presentonlydefense for his play right now.
You hard-1v1d the cop who I fully believed to be the real cop, that made it much easier. :PIn post 416, Enchant wrote:Idk i remember town!ranger also put me as scum in Gnosia, but tried to kill me more actively than that.
After your retraction I retracted my scumread there because you were no longer confscum.
Speaking of that game, you were scum there and your contributions here remind me of your contributions there, so...AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Press X to doubt. :PIn post 422, imaginality wrote:I start off slow in large games but when I'm given the chance to get into the game I can be as powerful as a Nightmare.
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Change because I vibe with DragonEater's take on Flea. It's the only take I vibe with (I disagree on Morning Tweet being town, MegAzumarill being town, and Doctor Drew being scum), but I still vibe with it.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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I joked about being traitor, i was actually town.In post 439, Ranger wrote:
DragonEater was not under severe pressure, and the push was one with a weak enough basis that focusing on it as you did seems unnatural. It was overblown. It was out of place. It wasn't something casually done, or done to make a point. It looked like you went out of your way to defend DragonEater, in a way I don't think town would be inclined to.In post 414, Morning Tweet wrote:I'm curious why exactly I come across like im forcing a townread on Dragon to Ranger. And also prolly why Ranger has Enchant so low
Enchant is so low because Enchant's contributions have looked strongly +scum to me. The reasons for defense of Enchant boil down to meta, but those meta defenses of Enchant seem lazy at best, disingenuous at worst. I don't think people being truly honest with themselves have conviction Enchant's contributions are definitively town. I can understand themviewinghis posts as town. I can understand them having a surface-level take on Enchant which they don't bother to dig deeper on at this stage.
But from what I've seen, Enchant is not outside of his scum range, and his contributions have been suspect.
Why wouldn't I have him so low?
Enchant's contributions have been forced in a way I feel is likely scum-indicative. I'm not seeing anything which looks remotely town from Enchant, and I see plenty which looks like scum. Given me not buying the meta defense, I've no reason to not have him that low as meta is hisIn post 414, Morning Tweet wrote:I can understand disagreeing with the meta but what has Enchant at the bottom of your possible suspects at the bottom of your reads since P4 onwards to presentonlydefense for his play right now.
You hard-1v1d the cop who I fully believed to be the real cop, that made it much easier.In post 416, Enchant wrote:Idk i remember town!ranger also put me as scum in Gnosia, but tried to kill me more actively than that.
After your retraction I retracted my scumread there because you were no longer confscum.
Speaking of that game, you were scum there and your contributions here remind me of your contributions there, so...
It just happened that role list was never released so you never knew.
Game is also ridiculously bastard. Who makes OPEN SETUP and then "hey you know i silently make one of roles modified".
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That changes things, actually.
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Can't fall asleep so I'm gonna squeeze in one more post before I close this game for the night:
I agree with you actually about the defense being overblown and out of place, but I feel the rest of MT's posts are very very good posts and I don't feel it's fair to SR them based on that defense alone. Further, I don't actually see a scum motivation for defending me?In post 405, Ranger wrote:
I agree with the sentiments. There was nothing bad about that DragonEater post.In post 392, Morning Tweet wrote:Does it though? Wouldn't that be super on the nose? This just seems like the way it was phrased that is pinging you more than anything. like by saying "town!you" twice it seems slightly lecture-y in tone but other than that im not sure it implies anything about Dragon. He could have phrased that like "You're usually very active D1 as town" and it wouldnt read the way it does, at least to me
However, while I agree with the conclusion of DragonEater not being scum (I'm quite sure DragonEater is town now), I believe Morning Tweet's defense to be out of place. I don't think it's because of being aligned with DragonEater--quite the opposite. It looks like forced White Knighting to me.
Top town read is you. While a lot of people feel townie here and like they are trying to solve, I can say with confidence that you are not TRYING. You are SOLVING. Your investigations are very on point and you have a keen perception of small details (but you don't latch into random NAI stuff)In post 411, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: That being said, I'm not really alarmed by anyone at this moment. I'm trying to see if someone shows some sort of dispersal in their thought process so I would love more if everyone would write down their top town and top scum reads and elaborate on what they see about them
As to top scumread, I can't really say I have a strong scumread on anyone, but the strongest I have are probably on DD followed by Enchant. It's probably true that either we have very townie scum right now, or very inactive scum.
I think you should SR Enchant here, honestly. Their meta is always a bit trollish, but the blatant lack of contribution and reads is actually scummy. Just read their opening posts in Gnosia because it was mentioned, they were efforting a lot more there (and were apparently town).In post 414, Morning Tweet wrote: I can understand disagreeing with the meta but what has Enchant at the bottom of your possible suspects at the bottom of your reads since P4 onwards to present
I'm looking through his ISO and he basically does nothing but fluff, OMGUS Dragon, and focus on the nightmare. Okay so he's not exactly town to the naked eye. But to the discerning viewer, maybee... I'm actually not really as sure now I'm kinda surprised he doesnt have any reads at all. I think I got convinced by someone elses explanation
Yup twas this post, sireIn post 234, Save The Dragons wrote: enchant having wim/not trolling/doing mech spec is probably town enchant
Agree with doing mech spec. He's kind of trolly/fluffy though, light on content (with his full ISO now). I took his investment in the nightmare mechanic as efforty but i dont really read it that way now. He definitely seemed to care about that, for some reason, at the beginning, i dont really know why. if he thinks he is a bad player (198) then why does he also feel qualified to be the voice of reason who should be dictating what's done with it. And why would he expect people to trust him
I don't really know, I feel silly having him near medium level confidence. I'm pretty low confidence on that one now
HURT: TemporalLich, Kyoko, Gimli, Dragon
Honestly, I don't want to be mean but is it possible that you just don't want to admit that you were wrong with your read?In post 438, TemporalLich wrote: doctor drew still feels slightly towny and solvey to me tbh... so doctor drew is still in my nightmare vote for now
Like I'm open to the possibility that DD is towny, but I'd like you to post a paragraph explaining why, if you can. Would be very helpful for both of us I think.
Weird, I just read the first 20 posts of Enchant's ISO on Gnosia and they have a completely different playstyle here. I think if anything, you should conclude that they have the opposite alignment here than they had in Gnosia.In post 443, Ranger wrote: As I said, Enchant is reminding me of Gnosia so if he was town there...-
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Doctor Drew reminds me of the Doctor Drew in AB:LoAF (he was scum that game however) and my initial townread on him was based on vibes. I still think 302 could have reads but that's my main impetus for townreading Doctor Drew. 316 is also a towny post I feel.
I am open to the possibility of Doctor Drew being a nullread, but that would mean 302 would have to be interpreted as purely NAI solveyness reads.
I don't really see how Doctor Drew could be scum asides from that Doctor Drew is convincing as scum.time will end-
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TL you won't believe me but I was sitting here looking through posts thinking DD kinda feels like a wolf in this game too
I also don't like or agree with very much of what ranger posted and I think for someone that posted so much I'm surprised with how little reason she gave for me to townread her effort.
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