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@ausuka: you're voting kokichi so why don't you scumcase him if you feel stronger about it?
@magical girl (dio, nono, std) as well
I was going to make a joke about this game ending on d5 with elsa jay being miselim'ed and flipping town modified cop variant and the scumteam of dio, std and nono winning the game. glad to see us sharing a POE anyway.-
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Have i not already done this?In post 1026, Gimli wrote: @ausuka: you're voting kokichi so why don't you scumcase him if you feel stronger about it?Reach for my hand, I'll soar away into the dawn-
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when std asked you who you wanted to lim you mentioned other names but not koki, did you forgot?
and yeah I still don't fully grasp the nature of your scumread on him-
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anything i can write will probably just be a reiteration of what i've already said in my iso. i could iso him to find more things for a case but i think that just leads to confirmation bias - if you're looking for reasons to justify a position, you will find them
anyway here goes;
- i think his original gambit thing is pretty bad. it's not, like, impossible to come from town? but the idea to do nothing, and then act like people are scum if they are calling you out for doing nothing, looks more like someone trying to give off the chaotic vibes of a 'too scummy to be scum' player vs someone actually trying to sort. like, the idea that saying 'hee hee i'm doing nothing i wonder if people will scumread me' is supposed to make people think you're *not* doing anything is just kind of ridiculous.
- his other push, elsa, is even worse. one of the reasons he gave for this is that elsa was 'discrediting' him by calling him a not_mafia copycat - after he literally just threatened to hammer someone he was clearly not townreading. In 810 he says the reason he did this is because 'he can be wrong with his scumreads' which is obviously a vague justification that could be used to hammer anyone. It's not just that he says this, but he says anyone who suggests in any way this might not be optimal town gameplay is scum for it. I think this read is really difficult to see coming from a genuine thought process, and it reads much more like he started with the idea he wanted to push back against elsa and the reasoning came afterwards.
- his whole softclaim arc just felt sorta gross
- I think townreads on him are based on the idea that someone acting chaotic/antitown would be town for it because his actions are against the norms of how scum play. I think this is basically townreading him for his style, and so long as he acts in this sort of manner as town, if hedidn'temulate that in his scum game catching him would be incredibly easy.Reach for my hand, I'll soar away into the dawn-
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I am aware this won't convince you or anyone else but i felt very strongly his approach to me was not in good faithReach for my hand, I'll soar away into the dawn-
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Gimli.In post 1024, Magical Girl wrote:
Everyone post 3 names (Not 1. Not 2. 3.) who they want to see eliminated today.
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Coordinating 7-votes lim with only 10 available is going to be tough-
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Dionysus and Nono are being replaced.
Nepenthe is being proddedImprefection is the spice of life.-
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Freezing deadline at 4 days until replacements are found.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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Wanting to lim inactive slots only seems short sighted-
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Vote Count 1.0.5
Elsa Jay (3) Nono, Kokichi Oma, nepenthe, [E-4]
Gimli (2) geraintm, Comus
Dionysus (2) Gimli, Magical Girl
geraitnm (1) Enchant
Nono (1) Elsa Jay
KawaiiKame (1) Save the Dragons,
Kokichi Oma (1) Ausuka
Not Voting (2) Dionysus, KawaiiKame,
With 13 players it takes 7 to eliminate.
Deadline: 4 days
Note: Nono and Dionysus are being replaced.
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If deadline is frozen then I can actually wait until reps arrive.-
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Ausuka she/herCommunity Contributorshe/her
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well that case was a total waste of time ripReach for my hand, I'll soar away into the dawn-
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nobody interacts with my cases either
but I read and I like what your thoughts on kokichi are. tbh I don't think I can parse him out very well atm, he's done some towny things and some weird/scummy things. I think he is acting very cynical but it seems like a mood and not something related to his alignment.-
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What are the towny things kokichi has done?
That isn't to be snarky, I think most people agree but I don't think townreads on kokichi have been justified often, probably just because there's never been a wagon on him, so I'm not super clear why he's being townread exactlyReach for my hand, I'll soar away into the dawn-
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Ausuka she/herCommunity Contributorshe/her
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I mean, as I said in my case post I think it is mostly that he is playing in a chaotic and counterintuitive way that people think scum wouldn't do, but shrug there probably should be more to itReach for my hand, I'll soar away into the dawn-
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It's okay, I read it. All that matters is that you're wrong, but I appreciate the effortIn post 1040, Ausuka wrote: well that case was a total waste of time ripHow do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.-
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Your gameplay might not be improving but at least your humour isIn post 1044, Kokichi Oma wrote:
It's okay, I read it. All that matters is that you're wrong, but I appreciate the effortIn post 1040, Ausuka wrote: well that case was a total waste of time ripReach for my hand, I'll soar away into the dawn-
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If I'm being honest, if I was scum I'd be more interested in this game.In post 1043, Ausuka wrote: I mean, as I said in my case post I think it is mostly that he is playing in a chaotic and counterintuitive way that people think scum wouldn't do, but shrug there probably should be more to itHow do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.-
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I feel like this game is probably not massively interesting for either alignment at the momentIn post 1046, Kokichi Oma wrote:
If I'm being honest, if I was scum I'd be more interested in this game.In post 1043, Ausuka wrote: I mean, as I said in my case post I think it is mostly that he is playing in a chaotic and counterintuitive way that people think scum wouldn't do, but shrug there probably should be more to itReach for my hand, I'll soar away into the dawn-
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Frogger my scumread on you has dropped slightly. You are no longer the #1 scumread. You've been demoted to #3 scumread. CongratulationsHow do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.-
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Gimli he/himGoodfellas/White Knighthe/him
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@ausuka: granted, there isn't much but *feels* to it. I've skimmed through his posting and there isn't much of an argument to be made on why kokichi is town. there's a couple of things I like: when koki made whatever scumclaim thing he made, and kawaii voted him for it. gera picks on that to ask kawaii if that's a joke vote, and kokichi pushes gera for it. I don't think that went anywhere? and then in the pages where me, ausuka and enchant are having a go in the thread, and magical girl calls all those pages garbage (they were) and then kokichi says they're not garbage cause there's a lot of AI stuff going on there.
it's really thin and I think you have a more compelling case for why kokichi is mafia than I could make one for why he is town. at any rate he should town it up if he is town.
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