Mini Normal 2294: Monkey Business (Endgame)

[Ausuka]

Kokichi gimli std

[Gimli]

@ausuka: you're voting kokichi so why don't you scumcase him if you feel stronger about it?

@magical girl (dio, nono, std) as well

I was going to make a joke about this game ending on d5 with elsa jay being miselim'ed and flipping town modified cop variant and the scumteam of dio, std and nono winning the game. glad to see us sharing a POE anyway.

[Ausuka]

@ausuka: you're voting kokichi so why don't you scumcase him if you feel stronger about it?

Have i not already done this?

[Gimli]

when std asked you who you wanted to lim you mentioned other names but not koki, did you forgot?

and yeah I still don't fully grasp the nature of your scumread on him

[Ausuka]

ausuka

if it's not kokichi

who do you think it is

[Ausuka]

anything i can write will probably just be a reiteration of what i've already said in my iso. i could iso him to find more things for a case but i think that just leads to confirmation bias - if you're looking for reasons to justify a position, you will find them

anyway here goes;
- i think his original gambit thing is pretty bad. it's not, like, impossible to come from town? but the idea to do nothing, and then act like people are scum if they are calling you out for doing nothing, looks more like someone trying to give off the chaotic vibes of a 'too scummy to be scum' player vs someone actually trying to sort. like, the idea that saying 'hee hee i'm doing nothing i wonder if people will scumread me' is supposed to make people think you're *not* doing anything is just kind of ridiculous.

- his other push, elsa, is even worse. one of the reasons he gave for this is that elsa was 'discrediting' him by calling him a not_mafia copycat - after he literally just threatened to hammer someone he was clearly not townreading. In 810 he says the reason he did this is because 'he can be wrong with his scumreads' which is obviously a vague justification that could be used to hammer anyone. It's not just that he says this, but he says anyone who suggests in any way this might not be optimal town gameplay is scum for it. I think this read is really difficult to see coming from a genuine thought process, and it reads much more like he started with the idea he wanted to push back against elsa and the reasoning came afterwards.

- his whole softclaim arc just felt sorta gross

- I think townreads on him are based on the idea that someone acting chaotic/antitown would be town for it because his actions are against the norms of how scum play. I think this is basically townreading him for his style, and so long as he acts in this sort of manner as town, if he

didn't

emulate that in his scum game catching him would be incredibly easy.

[Ausuka]

I am aware this won't convince you or anyone else but i felt very strongly his approach to me was not in good faith

[Comus]

Everyone post 3 names (Not 1. Not 2. 3.) who they want to see eliminated today.

Gimli.

[Magical Girl]

Coordinating 7-votes lim with only 10 available is going to be tough

[MegAzumarill]

Dionysus and Nono are being replaced.

Nepenthe is being prodded

[MegAzumarill]

Freezing deadline at 4 days until replacements are found.

[Save The Dragons]

Wanting to lim inactive slots only seems short sighted

[MegAzumarill]

Vote Count 1.0.5

Elsa Jay (3) Nono, Kokichi Oma, nepenthe, [E-4]

Gimli (2) geraintm, Comus
Dionysus (2) Gimli, Magical Girl

geraitnm (1) Enchant
Nono (1) Elsa Jay
KawaiiKame (1) Save the Dragons,
Kokichi Oma (1) Ausuka

Not Voting (2) Dionysus, KawaiiKame,

With 13 players it takes 7 to eliminate.
Deadline: 4 days

Note: Nono and Dionysus are being replaced.

[Magical Girl]

If deadline is frozen then I can actually wait until reps arrive.

[Magical Girl]

UNVOTE:

[Ausuka]

well that case was a total waste of time rip

[Gimli]

nobody interacts with my cases either

but I read and I like what your thoughts on kokichi are. tbh I don't think I can parse him out very well atm, he's done some towny things and some weird/scummy things. I think he is acting very cynical but it seems like a mood and not something related to his alignment.

[Ausuka]

What are the towny things kokichi has done?

That isn't to be snarky, I think most people agree but I don't think townreads on kokichi have been justified often, probably just because there's never been a wagon on him, so I'm not super clear why he's being townread exactly

[Ausuka]

I mean, as I said in my case post I think it is mostly that he is playing in a chaotic and counterintuitive way that people think scum wouldn't do, but shrug there probably should be more to it

[Kokichi Oma]

well that case was a total waste of time rip

It's okay, I read it. All that matters is that you're wrong, but I appreciate the effort

[Ausuka]

well that case was a total waste of time rip

It's okay, I read it. All that matters is that you're wrong, but I appreciate the effort

Your gameplay might not be improving but at least your humour is

[Kokichi Oma]

I mean, as I said in my case post I think it is mostly that he is playing in a chaotic and counterintuitive way that people think scum wouldn't do, but shrug there probably should be more to it

If I'm being honest, if I was scum I'd be more interested in this game.

[Ausuka]

I mean, as I said in my case post I think it is mostly that he is playing in a chaotic and counterintuitive way that people think scum wouldn't do, but shrug there probably should be more to it

If I'm being honest, if I was scum I'd be more interested in this game.

I feel like this game is probably not massively interesting for either alignment at the moment

[Kokichi Oma]

Frogger my scumread on you has dropped slightly. You are no longer the #1 scumread. You've been demoted to #3 scumread. Congratulations

[Gimli]

@ausuka: granted, there isn't much but *feels* to it. I've skimmed through his posting and there isn't much of an argument to be made on why kokichi is town. there's a couple of things I like: when koki made whatever scumclaim thing he made, and kawaii voted him for it. gera picks on that to ask kawaii if that's a joke vote, and kokichi pushes gera for it. I don't think that went anywhere? and then in the pages where me, ausuka and enchant are having a go in the thread, and magical girl calls all those pages garbage (they were) and then kokichi says they're not garbage cause there's a lot of AI stuff going on there.

it's really thin and I think you have a more compelling case for why kokichi is mafia than I could make one for why he is town. at any rate he should town it up if he is town.