Weird Dreams Mafia I [Gone]

[TemporalLich]

as for the rest of that nightmare vote, still townread them

[TemporalLich]

wait, idk about save the dragons tbh...

[Gimli]

yeah idk about save the dragons either lol

the game went a little stale didn't it. I'm not sure what to think of a few slots. I might do a POE or something sometime this week

[TemporalLich]

yeah... tried to give my reads so people could read them and comment on them

still can't sort Porkens or Empathice tbh

[Gimli]

yeah porkens and empathice are really hard to sort through. I also think the way doctor drew is playing gives me town and scum vibes in different parts of it. I've advanced some of my leans, I think ranger is a townie now, I still like MT but wish she contributed more so I can be confident about it. I think you're obvtowning this game gladly.

[Botanical Rat]

Plus, like, you're not going to figure this out by *not* voting Clone. Voting Clone is at least marginally better in that maybe it causes Clone to do more

Strong disagree.

3 posts, no content, acknowledging a prod.
That's a slot that doesn't care about anyones read or pressure. Voting there is going to do less than nothing.

Hell I'd go as far as saying that wagons scum driven.

Agree, if the concept is voting Clone to elicit some response that isn't going to work, it's really a deadfish slot. However, @Flea, if you look at greentexts (where he was town), he appeared to actually care at least some about players sr'ing him, which is not what is happening here.

if clone is scum and you're scum you're gonna have to learn the basics which is MURDER THIS SLOT

if you're town I get what you're saying but flipping clone is at least a great base elimination for the day. we find something better we move there, sure.

your weird defense of Clone is not helping Clone's case

pedit: agreed, Clone is low effort lurking scum who is caught in an associative... I highly doubt Clone and Doctor Drew is an SvT interaction

Ladies and gentlemen, here is the difference between a town mentality(Gimli) and scum mentality (TL).

@Drew, does {you considering that post from TL as showing scum mentality} inform your read on Clone? If one assumes that TL there is scum motivated to shade you that would really only work if Clone isn't town.

[Save The Dragons]

i disliked porkens entry but recent posts have seemed alright i guess?

i don't know about clone but it's a decent wagon for now

[Flea The Magician]

If youre going to throw meta posts at me I Will vote you.

[Korina]

Prodding Enchant, imaginality, Clone, Empathice, KawaiiKame

[Korina]

Prodding MegAzumarill. Kyoko Kirigiri is due for a prod in about 24 hours from this post.

[Korina]

VC 1.18

Clone (4):

Gimli, Morning Tweet, Save the Dragons, TemporalLich

KawaiiKame (2):

MegAzumarill, imaginality

Doctor Drew (2):

DragonEater70, Empathice

Porkens (2):

Ranger, Botanical Rat

Gimli (2):

Korina, Clone

DragonEater70 (1):

Doctor Drew

imaginality (1):

Enchant

Botanical Rat (1):

Flea The Magician

Ranger (0):

MegAzumarill (0):

TemporalLich (0):

Save The Dragons (0):

Flea The Magician (0):

Enchant (0):

Morning Tweet (0):

Empathice (0):

Kyoko Kirigiri (0):

Not Voting (3):

KawaiiKame, Kyoko Kirigiri, Porkens

With

17

known votes, it takes

9

of them to achieve a majority.

Deadline is in:

(expired on 2023-03-22 16:20:00)

Moderator Notes:

- Please let me know if there are any errors in any VCs. These are hard to make, and I am prone to errors as a result.
- Kyoko Kirigiri is V/LA until Thursday, March 16th 2023.

Nightmare

Kyoko Kirigi is voting for:

Kyoko Kirigiri (+), Flea the Magician (+)

Enchant is voting for:

Enchant (1)

Save the Dragons is voting for:

Save the Dragons (3), Enchant (4), Gimli (3), Botanical Rat (3)

KawaiiKame is voting for:

Botanical Rat (x), Empathice (x), Kyoko Kirigiri (+), Ranger (+), Save the Dragons (+), TemporalLich (+), KawaiiKame (x)

Flea The Magician is voting for:

Flea The Magician (x), Gimli (x), Save The Dragons (+), Kyoko Kirigiri (x), TemporalLich (+)

Porkens is voting for:

Doctor Drew (+), TemporalLich (+), Morning Tweet (+)

Gimli is voting for:

Kyoko Kirigiri (+), Morning Tweet (+), DragonEater70 (+), TemporalLich (+), Gimli (+)

DragonEater70 is voting for:

TemporalLich (x), Kyoko Kirigiri (x), Morning Tweet (x), Gimli (+), DragoEater70 (x), Empathice (x), Ranger (x) || KawaiiKame (-)

Empathice is voting for:

Kyoko Kirigiri (+), imaginality (+), Morning Tweet (+), DragonEater70 (+), Botanical Rat (+), KawaiiKame (+), TemporalLich (+), Empathice (+)

Ranger is voting for:

Doctor Drew (x), Botanical Rat (x), TemporalLich (x), DragonEater70 (x), Ranger (x), Kyoko Kirigiri (+), Save the Dragons (x)

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MegAzumarill is voting for:

MegAzumarill (x), Porkens (+), Ranger (+), DragonEater70 (+)

Morning Tweet is voting for:

Morning Tweet (+), DragonEater70 (!), TemporalLich (x), Gimli (x), Doctor Drew (x), Kyoko Kirigiri (x), Porkens (+)

imgainality is voting for:

imaginality (x), Morning Tweet (!), DragonEater70 (x), Porkens (+), Gimli (+), Ranger (+) || Enchant (-)

Doctor Drew is voting for:

Gimli (x), Ranger (+), Botanical Rat (x) || MegAzumarill (-)

Botanical Rat is voting for:

Botanical Rat (+), Ranger (+), MegAzumarill (x)

TemporalLich is voting for:

Save the Dragons (x), KawaiiKame (x), Gimli (x), Ranger (x), Morning Tweet (x), DragonEater70 (x), Botanical Rat (+)

Those Confirming Morning Tweet:

imaginality, TemporalLich, Porkens, Gimli, Ranger, Empathice, Morning Tweet, Faceless Jury Member #1, Faceless Jury Member #2

Current tallies are:

Confirmed:

Morning Tweet

8 Votes:

TemporalLich, DragonEater70, Kyoko Kirigiri, Gimli, Ranger

7 Votes:

Botanical Rat

6 Votes:

5 Votes:

Save The Dragons

4 Votes:

3 Votes:

Doctor Drew, Empathice, KawaiiKame, Porkens

2 Votes:

Flea the Magician, MegAzumarill, Enchant, imaginality

1 Vote:

With

17

votes present, it takes

9

of them to ensure someone runs the nightmare.

At day end, Morning Tweet is guaranteed to Run The Nightmare.

From this point forwards, any votes or unvotes for Morning Tweet related to the Nightmare will be ignored.

I have double-checked all votes, this VC is the most accurate one to date. Please let me know if there is an error in it.

You may now reference my key, since I figured out how to make it work. A "+" means this player gained a vote, a "x" means this player remained neutral in number of votes, and a "-" means this player lost a vote. The double lines show who this player unvoted last. This effects VC 1.10 and onwards.

Pronoun Key

Korina - They/Them
Maruchan - She/Her
DragonEater70 - He/Him
Porkens - He/Him
Clone - He/Him
Save The Dragons - He/Him
Botanical Rat - They/Them || He/She
Radical Rat - They/Them
biancospino - He/She
Gimli - He/Him
Ranger - She/Her
Flea The Magician - Fae/Faer
KawaiiKame - No preference.
MegAzumarill - No preference.
Doctor Drew - He/Him
TemporalLich - No preference.
Morning Tweet - She/Her
Enchant - No preference.
Empathice - He/They
imaginality - He/They
Kyoko Kirigiri - She/Her

[Enchant]

I guess i am not in nightmare, but if you decide to use vig, DON'T.

[Morning Tweet]

Plus, like, you're not going to figure this out by *not* voting Clone. Voting Clone is at least marginally better in that maybe it causes Clone to do more

Strong disagree.

3 posts, no content, acknowledging a prod.
That's a slot that doesn't care about anyones read or pressure. Voting there is going to do less than nothing.

Hell I'd go as far as saying that wagons scum driven.

If he doesnt say anything and the elim goes through i still think that's a better result than ignoring him. Less than nothing is hyperbolic, it will accomplish more than ignoring Clone even if met with ignoring back

[Morning Tweet]

Plus you're kind of ignoring everything else i said about clone there. What he did contribute was scummy SO scummy

[TemporalLich]

agreed... clone is scummy and inactive

even if clone were active I'd still scumread clone, but the inactivity just compounds clone's scumminess

[Empathice]

There's no actual reason for the huge shift of enchant in #443 by Ranger and that feels like a genuine town realization. Enchant Ranger S/S also works though, but I'd doubt an Ranger!scum, Enchant!town.

HURT: MegA, Porkens, Ranger,

Interested what people think about the possible Imaginality signaling.

Does fake!you have an explanation for their treatment of Ranger?

[Morning Tweet]

I guess i am not in nightmare, but if you decide to use vig, DON'T.

Why is this your most stated opinion. If theres anything i take away from you so far is that you really really really dont want the idiots to get the vig shot but WHY Enchant why is that the only thing you care about

I think that TL gave some townreads too leniently (I'm not convinced on imagine yet, TL was convinced a little quickly, and why Kawaii) but i wouldnt go so far as to say he's been disingenous trying to look good... I think out of the general consensus town...

I flip on Ranger a lot, I think maybe Enchant's alignment would help me. I dont have a reason to townread them but most of the game does. Their lengthy posts are super lengthy elaborations on how they gain reads ... the way the play would just make it so much easier to maintain as scum ...

I just now saw this

Spoiler: Ranger

About Enchant.. that doesn't make sense. Why do you have him low? You didn't answer the question -- you just said "His contributions are suspect" and then asked me "Why wouldn't I have him so low". He's at the bottom of your reads, not the middle. I'm asking why you think he's the most suspect out of everyone

I don't see where the confusion is. Most of the players in the game look town. Enchant didn't. Enchant's content reminded me of Gnosia (I was under the impression he was scum there), Enchant's content felt forced, Enchant's contributions felt like scum. When not buying the meta defense and having good reason to suspect him, why wouldn't he be that low?

I dont understand -- if DragonEater was not under severe pressure (From my recollection he wasnt), why do you propose I was forcing a towncase on him?

You answered this yourself: spoiler relevant

of course

if scum is smart they will focus attention on getting put in the townblo

c -- which could lessen the work they have to do "lining up suspects" --

they instead just need to play to "infiltrate the townblock" and just not be the least trustworthy

TBH putting the burden on scum to fool me into placing them into my trusted group, rather than taking a more hands-on, interrogation-style approach to search out suspects has always felt perfectly fine to me. I like playing this way. even moreso at the start of the game though

I think you're opening yourself to getting fooled in ways that you couldn't have before, since scum is now intentionally playing to get in your bloc in many cases, but im not sure it's necessarily making it harder for yourself. I think innocent people give off many signs that they're clueless and effortlessly, scum has to try pretty hard to mimic it. I just favour looking for genuine signals over fake ones

This is getting kind of wandered off. But your question definitely feels pertinent to the way i tend to play so theres my opinion

[slashspoiler]What's a good way to infiltrate the townbloc, Morning Tweet?

You've played a great deal of this game, and developed an entire style of scumplay that is influenced by your townplay. Scumplay as the dark mirror of townplay usually takes cues from the townplay. As scum, would you not want to mimic being "clueless", and try to appear genuine, and try to get placed into the trusted group?

What method would you use to accomplish this?

I posit: exactly what you've been doing.

Looking back at it, I was just responding to Drew's vote on Dragon which i disagreed with.

The level of defense for the event seemed out of proportion to me. You went into detail about the situation which wasn't worth having that much detail given. 392 felt out of place with the amount of focus placed on it.

This is a good argument for why I as scum would want to emulate my townplay. It is not a good argument for why you think I'm scum in this case.

Defending townreads from other townreads is not a characteristic of my scumgame -- as you point out it's something I do as town and would want to imitate as scum. You use a lot of space to prove the point that I would be emulating my towngame as scum which is obvious, but didn't exactly provide anything other than that you found my posts "overblown" or "defensive out of proportion" in determining why I'm being disingenuine. That's probably the actual deciding factor for you -- but I guess I don't really have any comment on that. I do, however, dig the wordplay

[Enchant]

I could say only once, but...
Oh well.

[Morning Tweet]

pedit: Isn't who gets the gun more important than whether or not the gun or the medkit is used?

I was originally town reading TL for a solvy approach but their reads on me as it happens seem reeeaaaally flexible with minimal evidence. Like my explanation post was super low content/effort but it completely flipped their read on me? Ya feel me?

I'll probably look at this because my take on TL isnt exactly ver y nuanced

[Morning Tweet]

Err rather, who decides who gets to shoot the gun, I guess. One extra step. Not who gets to shoot the gun

The point i was making is that whichever ability is picked doesnt really stirke me as important as who's controlling it

[Porkens]

Give me the gun

[Gimli]

give me the gun it'll force me to actually read this game and kill mafia

[Korina]

A hammer has been forcibly achieved. I am resolving the hammer now.

[Korina]

VC 1.Final

Ranger (9):

Unknown Voter #1 through #9. -> Hammered.

Clone (4):

Gimli, Morning Tweet, Save the Dragons, TemporalLich

KawaiiKame (2):

MegAzumarill, imaginality

Doctor Drew (2):

DragonEater70, Empathice

Porkens (2):

Ranger, Botanical Rat

Gimli (2):

Korina, Clone

DragonEater70 (1):

Doctor Drew

imaginality (1):

Enchant

Botanical Rat (1):

Flea The Magician

MegAzumarill (0):

TemporalLich (0):

Save The Dragons (0):

Flea The Magician (0):

Enchant (0):

Morning Tweet (0):

Empathice (0):

Kyoko Kirigiri (0):

Not Voting (3):

KawaiiKame, Kyoko Kirigiri, Porkens

With

17

known votes, it takes

9

of them to achieve a majority.

Deadline is in:

(expired on 2023-03-22 16:20:00)

Moderator Notes:

- Please let me know if there are any errors in any VCs. These are hard to make, and I am prone to errors as a result.
- Kyoko Kirigiri is V/LA until Thursday, March 16th 2023.

Nightmare

Kyoko Kirigi is voting for:

Kyoko Kirigiri (+), Flea the Magician (+)

Enchant is voting for:

Enchant (1)

Save the Dragons is voting for:

Save the Dragons (3), Enchant (4), Gimli (3), Botanical Rat (3)

KawaiiKame is voting for:

Botanical Rat (x), Empathice (x), Kyoko Kirigiri (+), Ranger (+), Save the Dragons (+), TemporalLich (+), KawaiiKame (x)

Flea The Magician is voting for:

Flea The Magician (x), Gimli (x), Save The Dragons (+), Kyoko Kirigiri (x), TemporalLich (+)

Porkens is voting for:

Doctor Drew (+), TemporalLich (+), Morning Tweet (+)

Gimli is voting for:

Kyoko Kirigiri (+), Morning Tweet (+), DragonEater70 (+), TemporalLich (+), Gimli (+)

DragonEater70 is voting for:

TemporalLich (x), Kyoko Kirigiri (x), Morning Tweet (x), Gimli (+), DragoEater70 (x), Empathice (x), Ranger (x) || KawaiiKame (-)

Empathice is voting for:

Kyoko Kirigiri (+), imaginality (+), Morning Tweet (+), DragonEater70 (+), Botanical Rat (+), KawaiiKame (+), TemporalLich (+), Empathice (+)

Ranger is voting for:

Doctor Drew (x), Botanical Rat (x), TemporalLich (x), DragonEater70 (x), Ranger (x), Kyoko Kirigiri (+), Save the Dragons (x)

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MegAzumarill is voting for:

MegAzumarill (x), Porkens (+), Ranger (+), DragonEater70 (+)

Morning Tweet is voting for:

Morning Tweet (+), DragonEater70 (!), TemporalLich (x), Gimli (x), Doctor Drew (x), Kyoko Kirigiri (x), Porkens (+)

imgainality is voting for:

imaginality (x), Morning Tweet (!), DragonEater70 (x), Porkens (+), Gimli (+), Ranger (+) || Enchant (-)

Doctor Drew is voting for:

Gimli (x), Ranger (+), Botanical Rat (x) || MegAzumarill (-)

Botanical Rat is voting for:

Botanical Rat (+), Ranger (+), MegAzumarill (x)

TemporalLich is voting for:

Save the Dragons (x), KawaiiKame (x), Gimli (x), Ranger (x), Morning Tweet (x), DragonEater70 (x), Botanical Rat (+)

Those Confirming Morning Tweet:

imaginality, TemporalLich, Porkens, Gimli, Ranger, Empathice, Morning Tweet, Faceless Jury Member #1, Faceless Jury Member #2

Current tallies are:

Confirmed:

Morning Tweet

8 Votes:

TemporalLich, DragonEater70, Kyoko Kirigiri, Gimli, Ranger

7 Votes:

Botanical Rat

6 Votes:

5 Votes:

Save The Dragons

4 Votes:

3 Votes:

Doctor Drew, Empathice, KawaiiKame, Porkens

2 Votes:

Flea the Magician, MegAzumarill, Enchant, imaginality

1 Vote:

With

17

votes present, it takes

9

of them to ensure someone runs the nightmare.

At day end, Morning Tweet is guaranteed to Run The Nightmare.

From this point forwards, any votes or unvotes for Morning Tweet related to the Nightmare will be ignored.

I have double-checked all votes, this VC is the most accurate one to date. Please let me know if there is an error in it.

You may now reference my key, since I figured out how to make it work. A "+" means this player gained a vote, a "x" means this player remained neutral in number of votes, and a "-" means this player lost a vote. The double lines show who this player unvoted last. This effects VC 1.10 and onwards.

Pronoun Key

Korina - They/Them
Maruchan - She/Her
DragonEater70 - He/Him
Porkens - He/Him
Clone - He/Him
Save The Dragons - He/Him
Botanical Rat - They/Them || He/She
Radical Rat - They/Them
biancospino - He/She
Gimli - He/Him
Ranger - She/Her
Flea The Magician - Fae/Faer
KawaiiKame - No preference.
MegAzumarill - No preference.
Doctor Drew - He/Him
TemporalLich - No preference.
Morning Tweet - She/Her
Enchant - No preference.
Empathice - He/They
imaginality - He/They
Kyoko Kirigiri - She/Her

[Korina]

I will add your Nightmare Runners of: Morning Tweet, TemporalLich, DragonEater70, Kyoko Kirigiri, Gimli, Botanical Rat, and Save The Dragons to the PT before resolving the rest of the flip.