Newbie 2114: Life Imitates Art...in Memes! -- End

[patchwork]

and what if they do get quickhammered? we lose?

Fair but they’re much more likely to be scum than town, and Kanna wouldn’t vote them

[patchwork]

gotta UNVOTE: though, im gonna get a bite

[Elpis]

Couldn't that excuse also just be used to start a bus if you're scum, though? Like.. "ooh they aren't getting hammered, that makes them scum"...but if you're scum that just seems like a lackadaisy way to toss arbitrary suspicion onto someone. At best this seems like a HORRIBLE plan to sprint us to a loss, and at worst, a tactic to make yourself seem in the clear and create distance. I can't say I'm happy about it either way.

[fferyllt]

VC 3.4

Not Voting (5):

bewolkt, Elpis, DragonEater70, patchwork, Kanna

With 5 alive it takes 3 votes to eliminate

Deadline: March 25, Midnight US Eastern Daylight Time

countdown: (expired on 2023-03-24 21:00:00)

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[DragonEater70]

Couldn't that excuse also just be used to start a bus if you're scum, though? Like.. "ooh they aren't getting hammered, that makes them scum"...but if you're scum that just seems like a lackadaisy way to toss arbitrary suspicion onto someone. At best this seems like a HORRIBLE plan to sprint us to a loss, and at worst, a tactic to make yourself seem in the clear and create distance. I can't say I'm happy about it either way.

I'll tell you what, if scum decide to bus we should be happy because that means one less scum to worry about. We can worry about the last scum later.
I'm kinda tempted to vote bewolkt now but I want to be fair to everyone so I'll wait until the initial 9 hours have passed (now it's 3 and a half remaining) or Kanna gets to respond to my solve, whichever happens first.

[Kanna]

just woke up. i’ll respond to whatever dragon has said later today. wait for me fellow townies (elpis/bewo)!

[patchwork]

Kanna tunneling

[patchwork]

Couldn't that excuse also just be used to start a bus if you're scum, though? Like.. "ooh they aren't getting hammered, that makes them scum"...but if you're scum that just seems like a lackadaisy way to toss arbitrary suspicion onto someone. At best this seems like a HORRIBLE plan to sprint us to a loss, and at worst, a tactic to make yourself seem in the clear and create distance. I can't say I'm happy about it either way.

how do I start a bus if there is only two scum, three votes is required for an elim, and one wouldn’t vote themself

[DragonEater70]

Kanna tunneling

Or more likely trying to buddy one specific town player.

But could also be tunneling, ig

[DragonEater70]

Kanna you have 30 minutes before I'm voting bewolkt.

[DragonEater70]

Then probably nothing happens simce they are scum. But still. It's dramatic, ig.

[Kanna]

that’s kinda rude in a “for real, I’m talking to you as a person and not as a player of the game” kinda way, dragon. i also have a life and you saying that I have to do something and give up my other priorities is very disrespectful. even if your vote doesn’t matter cause you’re scum, I take a bit of offence you’re not respecting me as a person

[DragonEater70]

I didn't say you have to do anything at all.
I am just really dying to place that vote.
But I can understand your perspective and am willing to delay that vote if you think it's realky necessary and you would like a chance to respond.

[DragonEater70]

even if your vote doesn’t matter cause you’re scum

I changed my mind
VOTE: bewolkt

[DragonEater70]

And now we wait, to see how the quickhammer doesn't occur.

[DragonEater70]

Kanna you literally could have made that post without politics and I would've taken it seriously and not voted. But that one line is making something about your personal feelings into another bullshit push against me and I have zero respect for that.

So I am sorry if you felt I was being disrespectful but your tunneling is extremely bad and if you are town I have to tell you that your playstyle is actually extremely unfun for other players and you should change it ASAP. If you scum I can at least understand that you are playing to your wincon but then you shouldn't care when I vote for bewo since you know they won't get hammered.

[DragonEater70]

Okay now I feel mean.
Please don't take it as a personal attack.
I'm just really frustrated this game and I'm unfairly taking it out in you.

[DragonEater70]

I apologize.

[Kanna]

that’s kinda rude in a “for real, I’m talking to you as a person and not as a player of the game” kinda way, dragon. i also have a life and you saying that I have to do something and give up my other priorities is very disrespectful. even if your vote doesn’t matter cause

(i think/in my opinion/from my perspective)

you’re scum, I take a bit of offence you’re not respecting me as a person

does that make it any better to you? because it’s what I mean

but still I stand by what I said by “do something in 30 mins or I will do this” is disrespectful no matter what it is because you don’t know what I’m doing and the fact you’re threatening me do anything in the next 30 mins is not cool.

maybe I’m a little soft and most people don’t hold the same opinion but that’s how I feel

i accept your apology and no offence taken! maybe we can talk about things postgame.

i am not at home right now so i will need a bit of time before i get to things. but at least this is post to say i’m not quickhammering

[DragonEater70]

Yeah it's be good to talk about it in postgame. Glad you didn't take offense.
You are welcome to read my solve when you have the time!

[fferyllt]

VC 3.5

bewolkt (1): DragonEater70

Not Voting (4):

bewolkt, Elpis, patchwork, Kanna

With 5 alive it takes 3 votes to eliminate

Deadline: March 25, Midnight US Eastern Daylight Time

countdown: (expired on 2023-03-24 21:00:00)

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[Elpis]

Couldn't that excuse also just be used to start a bus if you're scum, though? Like.. "ooh they aren't getting hammered, that makes them scum"...but if you're scum that just seems like a lackadaisy way to toss arbitrary suspicion onto someone. At best this seems like a HORRIBLE plan to sprint us to a loss, and at worst, a tactic to make yourself seem in the clear and create distance. I can't say I'm happy about it either way.

how do I start a bus if there is only two scum, three votes is required for an elim, and one wouldn’t vote themself

That's the idea, though as I explain it, it makes me think maybe this was not your intent, since otherwise you would maybe know. You would be starting a wagon on someone, KNOWING that nobody would vote them because YOU are scum, and then claiming that they're scum because the hammer didn't happen that you **knew** wouldn't happen, because you are the scum. That's the most logical outcome I can think of as to why someone would do that, because otherwise you're just putting high risk on a possible towny and risking immediate loss just on a hunch, which seems terribly unhelpful.

[Elpis]

Couldn't that excuse also just be used to start a bus if you're scum, though? Like.. "ooh they aren't getting hammered, that makes them scum"...but if you're scum that just seems like a lackadaisy way to toss arbitrary suspicion onto someone. At best this seems like a HORRIBLE plan to sprint us to a loss, and at worst, a tactic to make yourself seem in the clear and create distance. I can't say I'm happy about it either way.

how do I start a bus if there is only two scum, three votes is required for an elim, and one wouldn’t vote themself

That's the idea, though as I explain it, it makes me think maybe this was not your intent, since otherwise you would maybe know. You would be starting a wagon on someone, KNOWING that nobody would vote them because YOU are scum, and then claiming that they're scum because the hammer didn't happen that you **knew** wouldn't happen, because you are the scum. That's the most logical outcome I can think of as to why someone would do that, because otherwise you're just putting high risk on a possible towny and risking immediate loss just on a hunch, which seems terribly unhelpful.

[Elpis]

Oh, that wanted to post twice I guess

[Elpis]

Anyway, wanted to express that I am taking a 6 hour nap, so please don't take inaction during that time as any sort of statement. My suspicions remain as stated before, and I don't feel that I yet find bewolkt as suspicious as I currently do Dragon or Patch. Dragon is pushing really aggressively when we still have 2 full days to discuss, and Patch is honestly just confusing me a little bit at this point. Bewolkt feels a little here and a little not here, and Kanna clearly has a vendetta against dragon and patch as well, so like...

Idk. Dragon voting Bewolkt aggressively makes me think they aren't paired, which makes patch/dragon, or Kanna/dragon options, the latter of which feels like it would be the deception of the century if it were the case, so I really don't think that's the case. Looking at other options, patch/bewolkt could be a thing if patch is actually doing the scum hammer act I detailed prior, but if they are, they're being relatively convincing of otherwise, which makes me think bewolkt is probably a town and dragon is the scum trying to ride the coattails of the original vote from Patch.

Kanna is trying to rally bewolkt and I into an allegiance, which would make sense if kanna/bewolkt were a scum team and I was just being rused along in order for it to make sense, but like...patch doing their odd dangerous votes? Dragon being aggressive with his vote? It just feels a little too wrong.

If your vote maintains, Dragon, i'll probably toss a vote on either you or Patch. If it subsides, I will happily take the time to keep discussing ideas, but I think I am starting to feel somewhat steadfast in my solve, for once.