Mini Normal 2294: Monkey Business (Endgame)

[geraintm]

@klick

I never try send guess scum's motivations for their kills, at the end of the game when the scum pages are opened up it is always for some odd reason

I agree with that in principle
I do think there are certain things that can be assumed based on reading personalities and behaviour though

In particular, it is much easier to identify what someone would

not

do as opposed to what someone

would

do

For example, I think Comus as scum would

not

choose to kill Magical Girl when considering the reads he had posted in the thread

But they are just one person in a team and just because you can think of one reason why oen scum wouldn't do that kill, the other 2 may have their own reasons to do it.
I just think 100% not worth analysing night kils (except perhaps very late in the game)

[Enchant]

If I trust my current reads quite a bit this is where I end up

KawaiiKame

geraintm

Menalque

Gimli

Elsa Jay

Comus

Skygazer

Enchant

Kokichi Oma

Ausuka

So your theory is that whole mafia team busses shit out of self?

... Honestly it's not that insane theory considering how i played... Ugh what this game where i claimed neopolitan eh.

[Ausuka]

Time to solve

How can you scumread a post like this with no follow-through

No he will still follow through I believe

[Ausuka]

Ausuka, Kokichi Oma, Magical Girl, Menalque...

Who're the rabbits? Who're the wolves? Who hunts by moonlight and who are being set up as fools? The world is turning and so the sun dies another death, the silver eye of void staring down 'pon all. Who will fall? Will a final howl be howled? Death stalks, cowled. We must skitter, slither, slide, go deep into our holes and hide.

Voting in Ausuka, Magical Girl, Kokichi Oma and Menalque tomorrow will expose two wolves.

I think this is more evidence in favor of Comus!town
I think the scumteam were legitimately so unconcerned by Comus's influence on the game that they killed Magical Girl despite Comus repeatedly putting her in his list of people to kill today
I think Magical Girl being killed directly indicates Comus's reads not being on scum's mind at all, not Comus intentionally aiming for Magical Girl
ESPECIALLY since the kill was intended to look like Elsa was protected by Magical Girl as a Bodyguard

Maybe I am dum but I just interpreted that as comus being unnecessarily cryptic rather than actually scumreading magical girl

[Ausuka]

Klick's recent stuff has felt better and more in line of what I've seen from town him but I would like to hear more about the 4 people he thinks are likely to be scum and if he's, like, actually scumreading them

[Klick]

If I trust my current reads quite a bit this is where I end up

KawaiiKame

geraintm

Menalque

Gimli

Elsa Jay

Comus

Skygazer

Enchant

Kokichi Oma

Ausuka

So your theory is that whole mafia team busses shit out of self?

... Honestly it's not that insane theory considering how i played... Ugh what this game where i claimed neopolitan eh.

I find this to be a really weird response
Specifically, 'the whole Mafia team bussing the shit out of itself' makes sense if the team is exactly Enchant/Elsa/Kokichi
But if Skygazer is scum, that's not really true

So Enchant's response assumes I'm talking about an Enchant/Elsa/Kokichi scumteam

[Klick]

Time to solve

How can you scumread a post like this with no follow-through

No he will still follow through I believe

No I think they will too
Just, I think it's rather not-scummy to be like 'time to solve!' with no intention of immediately delivering on that promise
It shows Kawaii's intention wasn't to look good from the solve attempt, otherwise they would have given something significant to back that perception up

[Comus]

Ausuka: Uh yeah Klick those four people are you like actually scumreading them after all your nice posst, and after sort of clearing gazer(never said this btw) and after all teh obviou reading you did to reach your scumreads and tell us more!(Ignores what menalque asked Kokichi about readslist, Kokichi as of yet has no response.)

Also Ausuka: Oh yeah Comus is my top scumread, like, get Comus

Comus: who else?

Ausuka: Comus is my top scumread. I won't be discussing who else can be scum. But everytime anyone townreads Comus I'll be there to say 'No how can you bub Comus baaaad' be sure of that.

Comus: who else?

Ausuka:

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I'm sorry Klick, menalque, skygazer, whoever is village and have ausuka as village(pretty much everyone has at this point) but I still have Ausuka as solid possible wolf.

Elsa/Kokichi/Ausuka ** Kokichi/Ausuka/Enchant possible in my mind. I'm willing to listen to Klick on Enchant/Elsa/kokichi though in my gut I'm not so sure on that one?

I'm willing to vote out either Kokichi or Elsa, im where I was when last spoke to Klick. Not voting Ausuka because in the weird topsy turvy goofy woofy reality where's she's not a wolf her role might actually end up being useful.

By actions alone though(Ausuka says this is how she judges people, I love her radio silence on Elsa and Kokichi) Ausuka is still very much in my can be wolf pile.

[Gimli]

I think enchant is a townie, and if enchant is scum I think it's especifically scum with elsa and he is hard bussing her? buuuuuuuuut I don't see it I think his tunneling on elsa is pretty genuine and unlikely to come from wolf!him

[Ausuka]

Ausuka: Comus is my top scumread. I won't be discussing who else can be scum. But everytime anyone townreads Comus I'll be there to say 'No how can you bub Comus baaaad' be sure of that.

I am increasingly convinced you are not reading my posts

[Ausuka]

Have i been somehow unclear about my read on Gimli

I really do not think that is the case but I am willing to take feedback if people who are not comus also think I have been unclear about that

[Comus]

I am increasingly convinced you are not reading my posts

[Ausuka]

Yeah comus is definitely doing this on purpose lol

[Gimli]

Have i been somehow unclear about my read on Gimli

I really do not think that is the case but I am willing to take feedback if people who are not comus also think I have been unclear about that

did you consider klick's perspective on my slot? especifically, that I was deepwolfing from a very tiresome spot in another game, and this has been my outlet to escape from scumming and being a townie and trying to solve? or that for instance you have no experience with scum me and me and klick just had a tvs marathon, where he was the only player who caught me, and he is still confidently townreading me?

I'm not asking you to townread me, I'm trying to figure out your slot instead. I want you to elaborate on whether those things from klick should or do affect you or not. you seem very fixed on an idea in a game that IMO has definitely been wild enough...

another thing I'm not seeing in your posts and maybe I just missed or maybe you don't play like that, but you seem to be attacking individual slots for individual, like, nonsensical progress and whatever. I think your scumread on me is because of it, and I think your scumread on comus is because of it. but I don't see you creating solves? did it cross your mind that if comus is scum, then it's very unlikely that I'm scum since he made me want to die d1? do you think I faked that, or he faked a death tunnel on a scum partner like that, to then come around and start saying the scum partner opened his eyes the next gameday? it seems extreme. of course, maybe you *don't do associatives d1*, but I think it makes sense when we start being confident about someone being scum, that we look around for possible partners.

[Gimli]

I think your comus scumread is strange considering you were townreading this same slot on meta where the meta is that he is, like, he plays like that let's just put it like that. and when you were townreading him he was already jumping confidently from death tunnel to death tunnel to 100% solves. so its not like d2 is so different from d1 that now its 'oh look comus is definitely doing this on purpose', you know.

[Gimli]

but I'm having a problem this game where 'idk why town!you would play like that' is something that's applying to you, to elsa, to kokichi, and quite frankly also to comus. I mean I replaced into HMS mutiny and he had caught two wolves on page 3. was it random? maybe, but the solving was super great. and he was also great in 2019, absolutely perfect d1 townplay that got him miselimmed cause comus annoys a lot of people. I don't see much good from comus in this game and I think that'd be the first time that happens when I play with him.

[Gimli]

elsa's play is absolute trash and coasting on a sus af claim

[Gimli]

koki also trash and like scumclaiming so genuinely I'll just flat out believe him by now

[Ausuka]

i did consider it, i just... don't really agree? is there a reason I should be trusting klick's read on you so much?

I am indeed not trying to solve the game before we have eliminated a single wolf. i think comus and you are pretty unlikely to be scum together, yes

pedit: I do not think comus is frogsterking anymore

[Ausuka]

like from my perspective, I did read some of that game and I'm pretty sure klick was hard townreading you on play for a lot of the time

[Gimli]

I'm not asking you townread me like I said, I just wanted to see how it interferes with your rationale

[Ausuka]

I just don't really agree that scumhunting is this thing people feel the need to do or need an outlet for

I did a similar scum marathon recently so I think i know the feeling and I just genuinely do not understand the line of thinking there. i never, like, wanted to join and solve in some second mafia game or anything like that

[Gimli]

ah okay so you dont think its frogster. then its a townie, like, 95% of the time? I was only concerned cause I thought it was frogster

when have you seem a scum play like this?

[Ausuka]

i don't remember either town or scum playing like this

[Gimli]

then its town