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[Abnegation]

oooooo, pagetop!

[BlueSnakelet]

@Narration, I'm going to be on V/LA until Wednesday.

[Hell Froze Over]

A thought appears to be locked inside the Top Secret Room. Fortunately I have bombs.

It is possible for someone to be multiple non town alignments.

This is a singular though to just pop out. I'm pretty sure there exist a multifaction traitor in gim or perhaps abloaf, I'm too lazy to go check rn; but other than that, I don't think I've ever seen this concept. I take it that you do have a blue map of sort?

Never.

And I said what I said.

It could well be that we have someone who carries Duality. Able to be both Angel and Devil - but never reveal such to the other.

Sorry, but I just don't get what are you answering never to. Likely just a parsing problem, can you clarify please?

Something related to what their role might be.

Explain

If it's what I may glimpse, I'd prefer he doesn't explain actually.

Early on, it's easy to find such rooms without needing the maps, just a bomb and some intuition.
You already worked it out.

One Dollar...

Can you be bribed in some way?

-Drew

[ActionDan]

I don't find 243 and 244 that convincing. You have said you didn't find my posts scummy and that you were exaggerating in 146. But in 146 you're still trying to push Rauth to judge my ISO by

Rauth's

own criteria for scumminess (136). It's hard for me to believe that your intention was anything other than Rauth wanting to find my ISO scummy since the words you used in 146 are tailored to fit his perceived sense of what's scummy.

You asked me in 244

My complaint wasn't even directed at you, dude!
Why are you making it look like I was accusing you of something I wasn't?

From your posts alone at the time from 146 and prior it was hard to know exactly what you were really accusing me of so I covered my bases:

I had only made three posts at this point... None of these factors into your complaint about "a fuckton of mechanical discussion" which to me is what I would associate with "a bunch of nothing" in general.

If the complaint is that I'm supposed to be contributing more 4 pages into D1, well that presents its own problems.

The bolded happens to be the apparent answer.

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Keeper's iso is a tad passive which might be explained eventually by the role hinting. Otherwise while I liked the very beginning with posts 96 and 98, I do find the combos of 96 and 267 along with 145 and 268 to be jarring even if they're not exactly high stakes posts here.

I'm pretty ok with Feysal's iso; The build up of town reads in posts 86 (Rauth) and 257 (Ice) look natural enough and the mechanically speculative parts of their posts for what its worth are solid.

As for furtive and enchant: Enchant isn't making obviously scummy posts yet so that's a plus. Furtive looks to be substituting gut reads (I really dislike the word "vibe" so this is the oldschool terminology) with scumhunting but nevertheless I can't complain about his vote trajectory.

A lot of the game including the people I've just mentioned still are getting their bearings and I don't yet have solid reads (save a couple)

[ActionDan]

@ActionDan I reeeeeeeally don’t think checker would be a scum role.

Maybe so. It would be a very subversive expectation at least; if it's a scum role there might be an omitted part to it but all this remains speculation. This and the fact its being committed to I would agree is the best town case for it.

Also how he went about his claim etc

hmmmm. Still seems to me random. I get eagerness to claim info to help town, which even looking back now is more an afterthought, but claiming for the sake of being better informed in how to use the role does not inspire town feelings as to the lead up.

[Feysal]

I'm back, and finished reading. Replies incoming.

How was the concert?

It was fine, thanks for asking. We had some trouble due to the church acoustics we were not accustomed to, but nothing serious. And we got to prank our conductor for our encore, so we had fun.

Also: Feysal, what are your pronouns?

I'd rather not say. I could give a longer answer why, but in the middle of the game is not the best time, it would just be a distraction. Just pick one, I won't mind if you guess wrong.

Btw, when did Feysal claim scum?

It was here, making that malicious prosecution joke.

A faction like that doesn't have to lack killing power completely, they just might not have a standard nightkill. This thread has some examples of atypical factions.

Thanks for the link. I skimmed it, and I see people have come up with lots of new ideas. I'm at a disadvantage here, since this is my first game here in nearly five years, and I'm not up to date on new developments. I'd never heard of the checker Rautherdir claimed for one.

[Feysal]

Seems I missed this Rauth town read. I've seen it both ways, and for myself I've had my fair share of games where I was confused about a topic I really shouldn't have been with a little thought and also engaged in the exact same behavior knowing better as scum.

Does the Rauth town read still hold now?

That... is a very good question.

As I mentioned above, this is my first game after a long hiatus. While this game was in signups, I read some of my past games, partly for entertainment, but also to remember the sorts of tells and methods I used to use to scumhunt. What you said here reminds me of one of them, the one my signature is quoted from actually. In that game, there was one player who appeared confused by the setup - it had two towns and two scum factions in one game - which I interpreted as town. They were scum, and I fell for it.

The one part about their play I found odd is they also seemed confused by a hydra, the heads of which should have been obvious, but they kept changing their signature as a running gag. At one point they claimed to be a hydra of myself and mith, when I was already in the game, which was a bit much. My take from this is

some

confusion is probably town, but keep it up too long and it starts to look like an act everyone is meant to notice.

Here the speculation whether Benediction was regular scum went on rather too long, and it occurs to me that Benediction would have a vested interest in getting us to believe they were not a threat. And for that, Rautherdir was largely responsible for.

Add the claim, which is difficult to confirm, and the ability is so weak it would explain his continued survival into late game.

Also I don't know if you thought I was referring to someone else other than Rauth at the time of that post as the last line looks not relevant.

Oh, the last line was not even directed at you, but at Rautherdir, who suspected Enchant of scumslipping for their belief Benediction would be scum.

Wait a minute... how does one simultaneously theorize Benediction being benign, and suspect someone of slipping they were not?

VOTE: Rautherdir

In response to your question, no. No it does not.

[Hell Froze Over]

The one part about their play I found odd is they also seemed confused by a hydra, the heads of which should have been obvious, but they kept changing their signature as a running gag

Is this a subtle attack at me for forgetting to sign my posts? Touché.

Wait a minute... how does one simultaneously theorize Benediction being benign, and suspect someone of slipping they were not?

VOTE: Rauth
However, I do believe that this is not quite an inconsistency. I'd be interested in seeing Rauth's answer this themselves.

~b

[Rautherdir]

Wait a minute... how does one simultaneously theorize Benediction being benign, and suspect someone of slipping they were not?

The theory was meant to provoke discussion and get us out of RVS. I don't actually believe it to be the case, and without night actions or a flip to show otherwise I will be treating the game as having two antagonistic factions against town.

I'm reading through the game again myself, if a bit slowly due to distractions outside of the game.

[Hell Froze Over]

benediction could be a benign scum group but i don’t know that it’s wise to make assumptions yet.

I'm not making assumptions one way or another, just pointing out a potential slip. Like I said, day two or once we get some flavor we might get more insight into what is happening in regards to what the threats to Invocation are.

Wait a minute... how does one simultaneously theorize Benediction being benign, and suspect someone of slipping they were not?

The theory was meant to provoke discussion and get us out of RVS. I don't actually believe it to be the case, and without night actions or a flip to show otherwise I will be treating the game as having two antagonistic factions against town.

I'm reading through the game again myself, if a bit slowly due to distractions outside of the game.

Ok, but. If you're treating both scumfactions as malign, you surely agree that it would be reasonable for any other Invocation to do the same, barring Informed and somesuch; then I don't see where the scumslip is

~b

[Rautherdir]

That... is true. I'll admit I'm a fan of more exotic setups, and thus tend to think about them as a possibility more then most players would.

[Hugir]

Is it bad if I decide to base my read on something that I’ve seen 10 years ago?

[Hugir]

Because I’m about to.

[Narration]

@Mod, I will be V/LA until Wednesday

@Narration, I'm going to be on V/LA until Wednesday.

Noted.

[Narration]

@mod, does “mod misdirection” mean the same thing as “mod lies that cannot be reasonably anticipated”?

Yeah.

[Narration]

@Mod: Is it public knowledge that disciples of benediction are threats to town

Not directly, but it can be implied so as they are an informed minority.

[Hugir]

How many correct townreads do I need D1 to just lollim the rest?

13p, assuming 9:2:2
Mislim D1 8:2:2 | 2 nightkills on town 6:2:2
Mislim D2 5:2:2 | 2 nightkills on town 3:2:2

Wow shit I only have 1 mislim until we get potentially ducked over.

So I need 8 correct reads ugh why did I join a multiball :^)

[Hugir]

Is it bad if I decide to base my read on something that I’ve seen 10 years ago?

Because I’m about to.

Still doing this though because I feel good about this.
I’m actually not gonna say who this is, because I feel like if I say the name and why they might feel kinda insulted when I meant no insult at all, so I’ll just slide the name in there when I eventually make the list

[Narration]

Day 1 Count II

IceDragon70 (2) - Enchant, ActionDan
Rautherdir (2) - Feysal,

Hell Froze Over

Enchant (2) - The Keeper, Rautherdir
Hugir (1) - furtiveglance

Not Voting

- Abnegation, IceDragon70, BlueSnakelet, GoldfishFromTheMoon, Hugir, KawaiiKame

Notes

• With 13 remaining, it takes 7 to form a majority.
  
• Mod ISO is here.
  
• Tell me if any mistakes exist or questions missed.
  
• I am V/LA until Good Friday.
  
• IceDragon70 and BlueSnakelet are V/LA until Wednesday.
  
• Hell Froze Over is a disciple of
  Invocation

  .

Day 1

concludes in (expired on 2023-04-07 17:55:00)

[Hugir]

With that said

The theory was meant to provoke discussion and get us out of RVS. I don't actually believe it to be the case, and without night actions or a flip to show otherwise I will be treating the game as having two antagonistic factions against town.

This is actually kinda oof. Note to self to check the beginning of day tomorrow when my brain isn’t mush and it’s not past midnight

[Hugir]

Quick ISO suggests Feysal is also town I think

[Hugir]

Well it wasn’t really quick because their posts were kinda long but hey

[Hugir]

Hi guys I claim Benediction!
Any CC's?

You are bad at scumclaiming. Watch and learn.

I HAVE

GREEN

ROLE PM

Nobody lies on their first post right

[Hugir]

Wow I know I wasn’t really here for last few days due to moving but ppl in this game has either too many posts or too little posts.

I have 4.5 townreads including the IC so far.
The .5 may be rounded up or down depends on what I see probably in next few posts

[Hugir]

btw all posts have been GIF so far
I kinda remember seeing the signing rule but I kinda forgot to