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[IceDragon70]

A few slots haven't posted so far, but of the posters that have, IceDragon and BlueSnakelet seem like most likely sus.

is there a reason for that beyond just vibes?

Bit of meta behind the first, nothing behind the second

Huh?

[IceDragon70]

Of course this might be incorrect due to bastard element of mod misdirection, but there's a reason I claimed Benediction and not Malediction in my opening post.

@dragon - i'm pretty sure someone asked what that reason was, but i can't find it. i'd like an answer to that question.

Oh, because early on I assumed that Benediction could be benign and I thought it less risky to claim benign scum than evil scum?
Or maybe not less risky, but more interesting? Cause nobody would believe an evil scum claim but someone might react genuinely to benign scum claim?

[Abnegation]

I townread Alianna

you know the way.

[IceDragon70]

you called a sequence of 3 posts "a bunch of nothing trying to look like something." i think at least the first paragraph of actiondan's response is fair.

Yeah I guess that was a bit of an exaggeration, but I was desperately trying to get some Scum hunting happening. Prior to VOTE: 130 there was like, NO content.

[IceDragon70]

Oops. Wrong tag.

[IceDragon70]

you called a sequence of 3 posts "a bunch of nothing trying to look like something." i think at least the first paragraph of actiondan's response is fair.

Yeah I guess that was a bit of an exaggeration, but I was desperately trying to get some Scum hunting happening. Prior to 130 there was like, NO content.

[IceDragon70]

By which I mean no content beside mechanical talk.

[Feysal]

Plenty of new posts. I have some time before my concert, so responding while I can.

I simply did not feel the compulsion to vote. I treat my votes as more committal than most and I'm only half scrutinizing the thread while I'm working. I thought it enough to state my opinion while being content to wait a bit longer for both an answer to my earlier inquiry to you and more posts in general.

I can relate to this. I've never liked RVS, because I don't like throwing my vote around either. Any excuse to get out of it is good enough for me.

So I don't believe you're voting me for the stated reason. What I do think is happening here is that you're piggybacking off post 109 and invented a new reason to vote me to keep it fresh. In which case there's a rather poignant hypocrisy occurring, as in post 96 Keeper makes a similar if not even stronger denouncement of Rautherdir without voting for him and there's no mention of it.

To be fair, while I find understanding the Keeper difficult, I interpret that post as them thinking Rautherdir was wrong, not suspicious.

This has the town vibes. If you’re scum and you know people scumread the lack of an RVS vote, you probably just cast one.

I think it is more a personality issue, and that has no bearing on alignment. If you don't like RVS, you just don't.

HOWEVER, I would like to speculate (and this is just that - speculation, based solely on flavor and my own understanding of what I consider fun) that Benediction is not going to have a factional nightkill, but rather a factional roleblock (please gimmie some postgame credit if I end up being right).

Oddly enough, I'm getting a town feeling from this, or at least a non-Benediction feel. I don't believe this theory, not for a second, and I expect it to be proven wrong the first night. Why angle for postgame credit for something you know is not going to happen?

UNVOTE: IceDragon70

I still wonder about his hints of being untouchable, but I can imagine some sneaky town motivation behind it, and he is at least pushing the game forward.

For the record, I think 9/2/2 is the most likely setup here. I find these ideas of a benign second faction rather too exotic, I would only believe it when I see it. I would sooner buy something like 9/3/1 or 10/2/1, with an informed minority of one, and even that is pretty far-fetched.

[furtiveglance]

UNVOTE:

I would like a bit more info about IceDragon70's role, because that Benediction speculation must have come from somewhere.

[Feysal]

Breaking up the quote wall.

The point of the claim is that no such waste of power occurs, if you're Marked you lose a lot of damage when you miss.

The solution here is simply that the person must be shown a game over screen, probably before we get the choice of Sheol or Cathedral...

Uhh... right. I'm going to have a real hard time reading you, aren't I? If I translate this correctly, you are saying no actions should be wasted on investigating millers, but they should rather be executed. I was not advocating for Abnegation to be investigated. My point is, how could scum even predict the town had a cop like that? I would consider the mere existence of such a role evidence for her claim.

I mean yeah but it's the best I have to work with outside of Enchant being seemingly convinced that Benediction is guaranteed to be antagonistic to town, and I don't really scum read that so much as find it odd.

I was in a My Little Pony themed game once where Friendship served as the scum faction. I have no reason to believe Benediction would not be scum here.

If you had stayed silent, scum would have to debate killing you because of the possibility that their kill would be wasted.

They still do. They have to second guess whether the other faction is going to target them, remember.

Drew is obviously capping to try and trick me into killing him. I won't fall for it, he and bianco are obviously getting protected tonight.

Right guys?

Wrong PT

I'm interpreting this as a joke, but I don't get it. What does capping mean in this context?

But yeah let's not speedrun this game, no one has actually outright scum claimed and we would really like to have the time to develop reads on other people as well.

Well, technically IceDragon, Enchant and me all did, but sure.

I'm going to take a guess that one faction has a standard NK and one has something else.

I doubt it, if only for balance reasons. How would such a faction even win?

[furtiveglance]

Capping = lying

[Rautherdir]

Well, technically IceDragon, Enchant and me all did, but sure.

I mean yeah, fair, but I'm going to assume you were all joking.

[IceDragon70]

UNVOTE:

I would like a bit more info about IceDragon70's role, because that Benediction speculation must have come from somewhere.

Let's just say I wasn't one bit surprised about Rauther's role, and if you are invocation then you shouldn't be surprised either - I am detecting a theme here in Invocation's roles (I've taken the liberty to assume that Feysal's role conforms with the theme based on this post:)

I will say my role name sounds much more powerful then the actual ability actually is. I'm actually not sure at all how to use my role to any benefit, though it is role madness so uh... maybe there's some use to even something like what I have?

You're not the only one. And I have seen the most useless roles turning out to be very beneficial in the end.

Of course my theory might be a huge stretch, but we shall soon see.

[IceDragon70]

Btw, when did Feysal claim scum?

[IceDragon70]

Also: Feysal, what are your pronouns?

[IceDragon70]

Thirdly, I agree that 9/2/2 is most likely, but tbh I don't see much point in speculating about the numbers until we have some scum flips, or at least more understanding of how the scumteams work.

[furtiveglance]

I am Invocation and I'm not really sure what you're getting at, IceDragon. All Rautherdir seemed to claim was that they were some kind of useless investigative right?

[The Keeper]

And with the mod V/LA as well. But yeah let's not speedrun this game, no one has actually outright scum claimed and we would really like to have the time to develop reads on other people as well.

And yet Enchant claimed green.

[The Keeper]

A thought appears to be locked inside the Top Secret Room. Fortunately I have bombs.

It is possible for someone to be multiple non town alignments.

[Enchant]

what

[Abnegation]

I doubt it, if only for balance reasons. How would such a faction even win?

rh said in the setup post that there may or may not be non-standard factional abilities. that disclaimer is more than likely there for a reason. unless that's the mod misdirection?
a faction like that doesn't have to lack killing power completely, they just might not have a standard nightkill. this thread has some examples of atypical factions.

[Rautherdir]

A thought appears to be locked inside the Top Secret Room. Fortunately I have bombs.

It is possible for someone to be multiple non town alignments.

That... might be possible, I suppose. If both scum teams are allied against Invocation then I could definitely see that being the case, with one player acting as a bridge between them.

[Rautherdir]

If scum only have PTs open at night then that would give us a single day to prevent communication between the factions.
However, I doubt we're in that situation right now, without knowing more about what night actions are in play.

[Abnegation]

usually, moderators are supposed to disclose whether there's daytalk. i don't think that situation is likely though.

[Rautherdir]

usually, moderators are supposed to disclose whether there's daytalk. i don't think that situation is likely though.

This would technically be covered in 'Factional abilities may or may not be non-standard.' so we do not know.