Mini Normal 2294: Monkey Business (Endgame)

[Comus]

Yeah this is becoming sad actually. I think I'm over this game and it's drama. Even if I was a major part of it. I'm over it.

I'll repeat myself.

Scum are menalque, Skygazer, geraintm.

Setup is:
Combined Shield Doctor
Loud Visionary
Compulsive Visitor
2-Shot Hider
Comus
5 VT's

VS.
Informed Scum PR
Two Goons


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Sort it out for yourselves. If I die it should be pretty clear to Gimli at least I hope. But I think I don't care anymore. Ya'll on your own from here on out.

[Menalque]

and klick being like, locktowning gimli, after gimli literally just rolled him, feels meh

There's a lack of depth to this thought that feels insincere
Like I have /reasons/ why I think Gimli is likely town here, I've expressed them and gotten little to no engagement

Maybe I missed this but I think you never responded to me on the topic?

[Gimli]

you basically think I'm scum cause I'm a) defending kawa (notice your townclear skygazer was also saying kawaii is just town? so what gives) and b) pushing skygazer when she is certainly a mechanical clear, but like I don't agree with that. and I'm not saying skygazer is scum necessarily or voted her, but I don't like her posts, I don't like her claim, I don't like her progression on kawa, etc etc etc it's hard for POE not to hit that slot. and now you're saying... comus softclaimed something so that we can push sky for her lim, when mena is the one on e-1, when skygazer was never a real wagon?

[Menalque]

like i think mena's read here is fairly blatantly that now he thinks gimli's play wasn't towny (which i agree with largely, my doubts on gimli mostly come from today? although my read on him has been pretty fuzzy ever since elsa faked that inno result) rather than he didn't think that back then

gimli trying to spin it to get back on mena and trying to squirm out of townreading me (which like, not having me as locktown is kind of fair, but then why did he ever have me as locktown in the first place? what changes there?) just feels gross

i think it's pretty likely gimli + kawaii + 3

mena's read on both me and comus were that we were both his strongest townreads

the shift came with no progression whatsoever, and what he is now saying, that I was NEVER towny basically, doesn't fit well with his own leans on d1. if I was never towny, how was I a townread?

Yea good question, basically I thought you were a newb who probably had no scumgame so I cleared you on post count lol

[Gimli]

Yea good question, basically I thought you were a newb who probably had no scumgame so I cleared you on post count lol

how is that a real thought you had?

[Menalque]

Like i was pretty much reading you and comus using heuristics because I’m lazy and was repping into the game and then later on reconsidered

[Menalque]

Most newb players struggle to hyper post as scum *shrug*

[Gimli]

how am I coming across as a newb in any parts of this?

[Menalque]

Actually works surprisingly well a lot of them time tho

Bro I’ve been on this site for like 4 years and I don’t have any memory of seeing you before, plus you kept memeing and going on about how you wanted people to solve the game

[Gimli]

you weren't clearing me on postcount you were clearing me on a read you were making on how I was posting

'feeling lost in a town way starting beef yadda yadda'

[Menalque]

And I don’t say that to cause offence but I just figured that if you were experienced I’d already know you

[Menalque]

Yea that was shorthand for clearing on postcount bc I had to explain it and knew nobody would take it seriously if I said it was for postcount

[Gimli]

Think about it. Why out of all players, YOU was "checked"?

Did Elsa even express scumread on you?

Cuz at least I know with a clear Gimli will be helpful. You and Kokichi are just riding on me supposedly fake claiming and trying to kill me with no other game solve.

I've said this in the past but cop checks are meant for people your unsure of, not people obviously scummy.

why were you unsure of gimli tho? I feel like gimli is fairly clearly town (need to check based on events) but pretty much everyone bar ausuka has him as town -- it would've been much more helpful if even instead of targeting an obvscum player, you'd targeted someone who was unclear to thread in general

I mean, I don't think you're cop, but even within the claim choosing gimli seems like a v poor choice that I struggle to understand

you even gave elsa shit for 'checking' me here

[Klick]

My dude

Did you actually read like the last page and a half?

No, I hadn't, actually. I had read up to that post

[Menalque]

It’s the same thing as if I get to a solid scumread by pov where I’m reading enough people as strongly town — I’ll just pick whatever to justify the read bc people expect justifications to some degree

[Menalque]

Think about it. Why out of all players, YOU was "checked"?

Did Elsa even express scumread on you?

Cuz at least I know with a clear Gimli will be helpful. You and Kokichi are just riding on me supposedly fake claiming and trying to kill me with no other game solve.

I've said this in the past but cop checks are meant for people your unsure of, not people obviously scummy.

why were you unsure of gimli tho? I feel like gimli is fairly clearly town (need to check based on events) but pretty much everyone bar ausuka has him as town -- it would've been much more helpful if even instead of targeting an obvscum player, you'd targeted someone who was unclear to thread in general

I mean, I don't think you're cop, but even within the claim choosing gimli seems like a v poor choice that I struggle to understand

you even gave elsa shit for 'checking' me here

Yea you were being broadly two read and I don’t think that checks are normally good on people who are widely tr, I think they’re much better on ambiguous slots who are null to most people.

[Menalque]

I gotta run again I need to finish lunch and laundry but I’ll maybe be around in a lil bit again

[Klick]

I’m not being defeatist I’m being realistic because I’ve played potentially over a hundred games or more and I pretty much know how this ends

I have also played probably around that many games. You don't know how this ends. You're generalising this game when this set of players can very potentially decide to do things differently than the way you've seen things play out in other games.

[Menalque]

Broadly town read*

[Klick]

The two biggest reads I'm getting from interaction in the last 1.5ish IRL days in particular separated from all other context are Ausuka is hard town and Menalque is probably town.

[Menalque]

I’m not being defeatist I’m being realistic because I’ve played potentially over a hundred games or more and I pretty much know how this ends

I have also played probably around that many games. You don't know how this ends. You're generalising this game when this set of players can very potentially decide to do things differently than the way you've seen things play out in other games.

If I see a guy dunk a basketball 99 out of 100 times and he goes to dunk it again I would say “I know how this ends” however much I know that in a literal sense I don’t because the probabilistic standard for that type of language has been passed

Don’t play semantics with me you know what I meant

[Gimli]

I just checked and mena only started scumreading me when I defended kawaii. from this point forward I became a solve in a team that contains kawaii and everything is conditional to it... he even reversed what his push initially was, and kawa became scum but only associatively because I was defending him.

it's very ugh

[Klick]

I’m not being defeatist I’m being realistic because I’ve played potentially over a hundred games or more and I pretty much know how this ends

I have also played probably around that many games. You don't know how this ends. You're generalising this game when this set of players can very potentially decide to do things differently than the way you've seen things play out in other games.

If I see a guy dunk a basketball 99 out of 100 times and he goes to dunk it again I would say “I know how this ends” however much I know that in a literal sense I don’t because the probabilistic standard for that type of language has been passed

Don’t play semantics with me you know what I meant

I'm not playing semantics
You have much more information than 'this game is a game of basketball'

You were present during NQNM2 and did the same thing there
That didn't play out by chance it was worked out logically

[Comus]

This is what happens if people don't hammer scum. They turn townies against each other, clutter up the thread while doing nothing(Gimli and Comus push, that's all) and hope they can influence enough people to still get a flash mis-elim going.

Get menalque.
Get Skygazer.
Get geraintm.

Enchant, HEAL SELF

[Comus]

The two biggest reads I'm getting from interaction in the last 1.5ish IRL days in particular separated from all other context are Ausuka is hard town and Menalque is probably town.

Ausuka is hard town who's scumsiding.

ENCHANT, HEAL SELF!